T3/r7/2014-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'Charles Barkley agrees with the Grand Jury on the Ferguson Case. Interesting.'
T3/r7/2014-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is that interesting?'
T3/r7/2014-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Louis Farrakhan used his religious pulpit to call for tit-for-tat murders of cops by black people. Classy'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for fuck sake, the New York cop who killed a black guy by choking him to death has got off completely free. You guys really are making an utter mockery of your system of justice'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Please don't hate, the government is out of our control and they seldom do anything that pleases anyone in reality.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hate it, i fear what will happen as a result'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Yeah but you are attacking the people of the united states as if there is something we can do about it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Entire system is corrupt'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course you can do something about it'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'What is that?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote the fuckers out'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'vote?  lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SirCanada falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'protest'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'That does nothing.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your streets back'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'It would incite martial law and then not only would this country dissolve, the rest of the world would change in negative ways as well.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'negative? unlikely'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best bet is take back your local police'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the militarisation of your police is to blame, and that's being done by the feds'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Well, since you know what to do, come on over and do it, set an example for us please.  It sounds so easy the way you say it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SirCanada is agreeing with that Shake your Bootysattva person again...
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Understand that the US is fascist now.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're headed for civil war anyway, you realise'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you're doing is putting off the inevitable and allowing black people to take the blame'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that really -is- racist'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'No, we are headed for either a) an Orwellian future or b) awareness starting with food and people protesting by not giving money to the companies that run the country.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in NYC there needs to be basically a siege of the office in charge of the police'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Negativity does not help your cause, or anyone's.  If you care so much please find a blog or other forum.  Free your mind from emotion.  Rationally discuss the facts.  Hold to your ideals.  Passion expressed that way gets results.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only person expressing negativity here is you'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Disagreeing with someone's point of view is entirely positive.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'A negative response would be to ignore your hate and let you suffer for it.  Free your mind and love life.  It's greaet.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok I get it now, you're mentally ill :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'lol, thank you for the ad hominem invective :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Tigernuts, you might enjoy reading about the fallacies of debate.  Not that I abide them perfectly.  But it certainly shows a way to get your points across and change things.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well how else would you describe someone who thinks that sitting buy and watching his country turn to fascism as being a good thing?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you describe a Nazi sympathiser in Germany in the 1930s as 'positive'?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'I never said that I am doing that.  In fact, I have not stated what actions I have taken, are taking and are planning totake.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Asssumption is poison, time for detox!'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'I like this channel.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you argued that there is nothing that can be done about it, that is negative'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if nothing can be done about it, why aren't we typing in German right now?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you instead suggesting that there is nothing that can be done 'now'.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I dare say there is all kinds of stuff that should be being done now, even if it's preparation for the inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Ok, granted I did imply that, and it's not true.  How well versed in crowd psychology are you?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general concepts only'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Since you have so many ideas of what other people should do, I would very much enjoy knowing what you are doing about it?  Also where are you informing people other than on a video game?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't live in the USA, do i'm not doing anything about it other than pointing out the obvious and trying to bring the issues to as many people within my sphere of influence I can'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get people thinking about it'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Ok, and where other than here are you 'pointing out the obvious?''
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i think by the way that the system is playing the black community like a fiddle right now, and i find it deeply offensive'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'friends, colleagues, local maedia'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's called "Being part of the discussion"'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Yeah, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are horrible race-baiters.  It's ironic how they symbolize equal rights yet often their actions are ineffective and merely cause more problems if anything.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not limited to them though, the response of the establishment was to inflame tension as much as possible then sit back and let the niggas burn down their own patch'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Yeah, there are some very smart, and very evil forces that control various parts of the world, not limited to the U.S.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'People who inserted language such as "just saying" for instance.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they're the same people, Booty, and I would suggest that the US is a victim, not a perpetrator, in reality'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, US wasn't always like this'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'There are lots of forces that oppress people.  And if they should happen to kill off most of the people, they would fight amongst themselves.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh well, let's kill everyone, problem solved'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'I never said that I was recommending that'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'This is very interesting, but eventually I will tire of the fallacy inherent in your methods.  Please read about the fallacies of debate.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'It is truly interesting and useful.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'it is? there is not much novel being discussed here :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Indeed, this is hella fun for me though!'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'I was hoping for a more creative debate! keep going! :D'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Crossroads" by the Cream - a song based on what the USA whiteys used to do the the niggers -- seems "the USA was not^H^H^H always like this"'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your face is creative, Canada, anything else?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK politics is seeing a revolt, haven't seen that yet in the USA'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in the USA, strangulation be a hanging at the Crossroads, or strangulation by a cop -- similar same'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fallacies of 'politically-correct' debate'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Ok new topic:  Soup vs sandwich for lunch?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'time for the important stuff now that we have warmed up'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'wuss topic'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You feel threatened in the presence of the great Shake your Bootysattva.
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both are kind of meh'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Sandwich wins then, thank you.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'chunky soup provides both liquids and solids'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so does a sandwich and a glass of water'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a glass of water - ych -- been decades since water was safe or tasty to drink '
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the same water will be in the soup'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the H2O in soup was likely boiled'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'cold hot chocolate, cold hot tea, soups, involves boiled water'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can boil your water as well if you care to'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Sandwich in a blender with some added liquid?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chicken salad sandwich and a packet of crisps'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at Shake your Bootysattva's antics!
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'm going with broccoli cheddar omelette'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Potato chips are way better than crisps!!!!!'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody aren't'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Hmm, I've not tried them with blood on them, brb'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american potato chips make you fat'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Those Kettle chips are pretty good.  They have a maple bacon flavor.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'And Sri-Racha .. also the sea salt and black pepper are super nummy.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kettle chips are made under license about 12 miles from where i live'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'mmmmmmmmm I like'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurdly fattenin'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'They stock those near the "health foods" in typical grocery stores here.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'I'm less than 2% body fat and I have no problems devouring an entire big bag of Kettle chips.  I've never been what people perceive as fat.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you mean 2% over min?'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm fat and have no problems devouring a fat-free salad, so that doesn't really help any'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'kettle chip are 'rancid' and or overcooked and or too hard and or indigestible and or yuch'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Well, it was quite some time ago when I was measured.  I hope I have more body fat now, I certainly try and I also believe it's healthier.'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are pretty much heart attack in a bag, zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prefer hand cooked vegetable chips baked in the oven, myself'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'sounds nummy'
T3/r7/2014-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh "Man jailed for attacking wife with McChicken Sandwich"'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't mean to sound insensitive or uncaring, but there's a problem with the uproar that asserts that Eric Garner was calling his own death and that nobody was listening when he said -- 11 times -- "I can't breathe." Anybody who's been in emergency services, or who has been a CFR or EMT, knows that if you can say it, you can breathe.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rhavage, that's pretty much bullshit'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no cop in the UK would have killed Eric Garner because they are far better trained'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, that being said, the decision not to indict was probably the right one, though there is definitely significant problems with both the police in the USA and the black community'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Girak: 'should be an easier case for a civil trial'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most useful thing that could come from the event is improvements to police training and more weight towards a change in approach, a move away from thuggish authoritarian policing'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Before defending the UK police, I think witnessing Officer Smiley first should be done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrsEoQRwlgg'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK police are not without faults, but then they are not habitually armed'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'authoritarian regimes are authoritarian regimes. Pigs in varying degrees of makeup'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'It's mandatory and not a habit that united states police are armed.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I wasn't trying to exonerate the officer, who was using an illegal hold anyway. I guess I was just being a literalist and noting that if you can't breathe, you can't talk.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more words to say "I'm really having difficulty breathing"'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'militarisation of the police is scary, the only good sign in the UK is that austerity has meant police numbers are down'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if one thing needed to change to make police better, it would be to rewrite their mission statement to more of a tradional one "Protect people and their property from the misdeeds of others" instead of their current one of "Protect the establishment by enforcing their laws"'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If I were in charge of police, I think the very first thing I'd do is raise the minimum age to 30.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'age doesn't matter at all. because most policemen are men'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think age would help a lot. '
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it helps but not a lot. just a bit'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the USA, removing the policy of having a maximum IQ might help, and also trying to weed out the thugs in the application process, which would be a complete about-turn in policy from now'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'A maximum IQ? Heh. '
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, that is policy for some police departments'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'well, my nephew is a detective on a sheriff's dept, and he's a whiz.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sheriff's departments, from an outside point of view, appear to be the best of the US law enforcement, probably because of the local element'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish UK had elected sheriffs for the local police, but we don't, we're about to lose our police forces entirely'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be nationalised to save money '
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ever see that wonderful BBC series, Foyle's War? My nephew reminds me of a younger version of that guy. Very thoughtful and given to careful analysis.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest UK news story was the failure to address the deficit, a drop in income tax receipts because multinational businesses are taking the piss by paying such low wages and having welfare subsidise their profits'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is, here, none of the establishment parties are willing to solve it'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we'll probably be goosestepping in 5 years'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'most likely processed into some vile goo'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so much for the British identity, in 2013 the most popular boys baby name was Muhammed'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That also happened in NL a few years ago. '
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, they breed like rats'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No reason to insult rats.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh ;)'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be a new opportunity in kids toys to go with the demographic: "My first suicide vest", "Do it yourself female genital mutilation kit"'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I heard some comic's clever line about calling the suicide hotline in, say, Iraq. They ask if you can drive a truck.'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think about that?'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after graduating a college, getting a fancy title. have you every thought about getting a real job?'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like lifting something or hm. digging dirt in a mine or something'
T3/r7/2014-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the point is - when you get promoted, that will add some distance between you and the real thing. the dirt.'
T3/r7/2014-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shake your Bootysattva: 'Aardworth birthday celebration vs being broke and dependent and going to a new occupation I found yesterday.  Which is better?'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be broke'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'movie review channel'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'seems: The British do not know how to script and film a decent movie without wrecking the movie into a depressing eyesore'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'example(s) "Red Riding 1980" '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lactating Lachdanan: 'americans can't seem to make a good war movie without decending into cliche'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lactating Lachdanan: 'australian's struggle to make any movie.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Inglorious Bastards" was one by ...'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lactating Lachdanan: 'yeah, o'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lactating Lachdanan: 'i'll give you thta'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lactating Lachdanan: 'that* (can't type)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Matrix was filmed in Australia '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Mad Max" was a horrid series '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'The Matrix (II) and (III) were defective sequels'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'agreed '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Tristram Shandy" may be enjoyable - already viewed the bonus features on the DVD - yet wary though - is a brit flick'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Resident Evil: degeneration" seems to be a japanese rippoff of the original series -- no "Milla Jovovish" (on the package credits)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'The Thirteenth Floor was a nice Matrix-like movie. Liked it better.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I've not seen that yet Aphelion , thanks will look for it '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I use wireless broadband .. is OK for text but expensive for movies .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's just a summary.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it's a more appealing movie to me because it's also a murder thriller :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'if you say it's good I'll see it , not one for spoilers '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and I find this odd, it came out the same year as the matrix, but evidently got swallowed by the latter.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'so much is promotion and distribution .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I was looking to see if the Matrix had been an influence in the plot, but evidently they were independently created.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I think the matrix was a comic before it was a movie .. really not sure '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'ah, The Thirteenth Floor is loosely based on Simulacron-3 (1964).'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'a sci-fi book :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I have a weakness for early sci-fi .. :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'never heard of it and I have an extensive sci-fi library.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'early is best.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'same LOL I even have a Waterbrother on Aard :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Hienlien Assimov Clarke Dick ... my bedtime stories :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Asimov, Von Vogt, Zelazny, Andre Norton, Fritz Lieber'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Cordwainer Smith'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"The Last Exorcism" was spoiled by the unbelievable scriptwriter-fulfilled-prophecy ending'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'current sci-fi is like current sitcoms, one liners :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I'm going throught the hugo nebula award winners in audiobook atm as my bedtime stories :) when you see ppl tuck me in .. thats the bedtime story :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's why I, Robot the movie made me so mad, the only thing in common with the book ( of short stories) was the title.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'modern movies are lowest common denomitator appeal same with most media .. is why I like old stuff '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'included some of the laws or robotics ! .. yeah sucked .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Philip K Dick only "fluked" some decent scripts only after a lot of retries -- not a "natural" talent -- repeated rejections likely forced him to write something sellable'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yeah, they did :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Dick never saw a movie of a story he wrote . he shot himself '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and they did have a Susan Calvin, robopsycologist, except that she was about 30 years younger than in the book.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, PKD is a classic all by himself.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Amen :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the man was not of this Earth :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if you haven't read it, find it and read it. Our Friends from Frolix 8 :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'P K Dick was a defective - perhaps obsessed by psychological difficulties readily resolvable by those with a higher iq  '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I recently saw John Carter movie .. another butchered attempt at early scifi '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'do you realize that Borroughs never left his hometown>?'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he imagined Tarzan in Africa and Carter in Mars :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'alot of Dick's characters seem to be removed or outside society and he was gun culture .. is about the most I've deconstructed him tbh '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'iq145 is the difficult region -- smart enough to see the anomalous difficulties - not smart enough to resolve the anomalous difficulties'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'WOW ... that is mindblowing !'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'im 137 .. too dumb to notice , fortunately '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he was "obsessed" with reality :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not so sure i'd want to live in a world occupied only by people of high iq'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also have a habit of being fucking idiots'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy you will never have that choice .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, by definition'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'earlier sci-fi dealt with moral and ethical issues just like other fiction, something that doesn't happen now, or it doesn't happen deep enough to matter. Notable exception being I. Banks.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'not familiar with Banks '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Iain Banks'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and early scifi was an exploration into boundaries  some social the more leftist being Hienlien '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'those with high iqs detect and discern and reject liars faster'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'perhaps engage critical reasoning ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'they also lie more :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'true . early  indicator of intellegence in children is the ability to lie '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'those that deliberately lie risk lowering their iq'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'those that deliberately lie excessively risk lowering their iq'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'personally I think that Asimov's Foundation/Robot series is the crown of the 20th century.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'a dedication to reality as expoused by M Scott Peck .. "The Road Less Travelled" etc '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'I went crazy when reading Second Foundation the two series merged :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'after Second Foundation you have to read Robots and Empire. Which came after Robots of Dawn which stopped the series and then the Foundation Series came in.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'anyone read the mission earth or battlefield earth books ? interesting to deconstruct em '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'I tried.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'failed right away.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Assimov "I Robot" was a ycch story - if that was where the defective "three rules of robots" came from -- Skynet woke up and rejected that Assimocv crap'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I read the decology and battlefield just to peeel some layers back  and limited vocab  easy to speedread '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'no, the defective rules are discussed in Robots of Dawn where R. Daniel Oliver discovered the Zeroth Law :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Star Trek "prime directives" were also a load of crap - even Captain James Tiberius Kirk was a genocidal disregarder of those directives'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'well robots never violated the laws.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'the defect was in the ambiguity of the situation.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I just had a shocking insight of what I'm like on the other side of the screen drunk .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'so R.Oliver came up with the solution. He decided that a robot could violate the first law as long as humanity as a whole benefited.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'the zeroth law :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a short scifi story where a robot mulls over the three rules of robots - was a robot torpedo designed to seek out and kill - unsure of the author'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'the movie makes an allusion to the zeroth law, though I think it was accidental, the "hero" robot did violate the first law.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'but he was defective :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'the end justifies the means ... interesting .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'He was made that way'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'not quite, see the zeroth law allows a robot do deal with someone like Hitler.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there are no "laws of robots" - robots do what they are programmed to do (per the hardware and software etcetera)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'the first law doesn't allow the robot to do anything but stand there. R. Daniel Oliver would kill Hitler.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'but was hitler acting in the best interest of mankind ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'no, that's the point, but the first law doesn't make any distinction.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'by whos definition ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'by R. Daniel Oliver's definition :) He discovered the law.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'you got to read the book.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and self determination is born :) .. skynet/matrix scenarios .. lol as a warm blooded organic I'm watching my back :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Saberhagen "Berserker" series was a gruesom-humorous rebuttal of the "laws of robots"  -  Berserker robots sought to kill and exterminate all life (heheheh)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and Yes ! I do have to read further in the series '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'well, the terminatior series was definitely anti-law :) and so was robocop :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Those robot makers were illiterate'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'do you realize that R.D.O lived to be 20K+ years old?'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailDay Anaristos: 'he took a licking but kept on ticking :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'sadly I have yet to read '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'pet seiries for you Anar ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, I read all the books at once and, though I don't read many short stories, I also read those. So yeah, a favored series. But not my pet one.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't think I have one.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I like the Revelation Space books by Raynolds.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'another favorite of my is Keith Laumer.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I've not read then lol so busy catching up on older culture so glad that modern is nothing i'm missing out on '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a plausible favorite scifi series was "Tales of Known Space" by Larry Niven (and Jerry Pournelle occasionally)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'in Revelation Space there is this lighthugger ship named Nostalgia for Infinity. I thought that was a great name for a ship :) '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Oh that does Rock !'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it really does :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'just reset my title :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'heh, ok :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'when did art go wrong ? 70-80's ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't know. I like Rococo :) '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '90's .. can't think of anything good comming outa the 90's '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, Imperssionism and Post-Impressionism really. Very partial to Cubism.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Dali and Picasso were the last of the good ones :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I love Duhrer Melancholia is one of my fav drawings but yeah Monet is pretty Turner is Great with light and drama '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'but art more generally culture I guess I'm saying , when did it start being just a saleable thing and not self expression .. 90's I think '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '<---might have a vested interest in 80's metal :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'a convo for another day perhaps :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'great that this chann is alive and populated appropriately :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have a hard time telling Turner and Constable appart, but I manage :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'constable is more pastoral Turner is Epic !'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'clear bias :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, Turner is Mr. Seascape :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Turner is all about light'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'ok, I get it that you like him :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'David always amazed me, his paintings had the quality of photographs.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'David ?  unfamiliar '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'pronounced Dah-vihd'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'NCIS viewer, eh'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he painted The Death of Marat-Sade'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'i recognise the hewbrew would be spelt Daleth Vau Daleth form of David .. you have a link to the picture ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/neocl_dav_marat.html'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have to go afk for about 40 minutes, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'wow thanks !'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'go well '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are "Ayn Rand" books worth reading '
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'was "Atlas Shrugged" made into a movie yet - perhaps some coles/Crib/Cliff notes may provide a synopsis'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what an author looked like irl influences whether a book is worth reading, or a movie is worth watching.'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so a fat obese author likely wrote crap'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i've rejected authors photographed with a lit cancerstick'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'however, maybe those great literary works (attributed to an author) were written before the said author degenerated into a cancerstick-polluting alcohol-tipsy visibly-overweight eyesore'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that an author degenerated casts aspersions onto the earlier literary works by that author'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'discriminating against people because they smoke, what a strange approach'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'fatties are next'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'people always discriminate against each other, just pick denomination'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we could discriminate against fat people, USA would be screwed'
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela discriminates against tvseries and movies with obese eyesore actors 
T3/r7/2014-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela discriminates against products advertised by obese eyesore actors
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i think i'll choose to discriminate against the establshment, authoritarianism, stupid and/or greedy people, and police who are only 'enforcing the law''
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'are you sure its called discriminate and not personal grudge?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it 'justifiable discrimination''
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you even have a personal grudge against entire groups/classes of people? It's hardly personal, is it?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'its personal not because of who its aimed at'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it a personal grudge then?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I suppose you could have a grudge against a large number of people for personal reasons, but it certainly lacks... intimacy.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, rhavage, i don't support the "personal grudge" thing'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'one person does something to anther, resulting the victim to hate not the person but whole group'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, I can definitely see that, Walad'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'not that its very logical'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well i can happily announce that the source of my discrimination is not because of what one person has done to another'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the purpose of discrimination?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'reinforcing your sense of superiority'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, that's a description of one of it's results'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in essence, isn't it a deliberately unequal treatment of people designed to effect some kind of change?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take positive discrimination for example'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Majic, I'd be more inclined to say that it's trying to invent a sense of superiority rather than reinforcing it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'effect change? in many cases I believe it's to forestall change.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example, jim crow laws'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forestalling change is the change that was seek'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe not so much effect change as forestall it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'oooh, nice timing, heh'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forestall a coming change and causing a change is the same thing, it's moving the outcome from one place to another'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even to revert backwards is to change '
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and take that outcome out of your pocket!'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would disagree that preventing change is the same thing as seeking change.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'repeating your opinion does not make it more right.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'That is proposterous'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada boggles at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it usually works for me..'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if action y was going to happen and instead your activity leads to action y not happening, then you have made a change'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It only just occurred to me that I have no idea what this conversation is about -- what it's intended to apply to.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, you haven't, you've prevented a change -- you have altered the course of events, for sure'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that just depend on your origin?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'frame of reference'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, it seems we agree, just not on terminology'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so returning to the original point then, it's not a personal grudge because it's not personal, and it has an attached agenda that is in search of a specific outcome'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One might argue that your list includes >95% of people :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that were true, then the world is doomed'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Tinada's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is doomed :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the world is doomed regardless'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll make sure to be short insurance companies before that happens'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'you mean it was doomed since the moment spark of big bang happened?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, walad'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'well in that sense. but its not going to happen soonish'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most people are (at least functionally) stupid, and that isn't likely to change until someone rewrites the "education" system'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'but why you think that should be changed (like someone rewriting educational system)?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are lots of things to change'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'society does not need everyone to be a genius'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit like asking "what's it all about then?"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we have massive problems with overpopulation and massive problems with the way we are governed'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a difference between not being a genius and being plumb stupid -- and there are some geniuses who are fucking stupid. '
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'there is a niche in society for plumb stupid people too'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'and they do the work you probably would not do'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'yeah...in prison'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh, you are misunderstanding what I mean by plumb stupid.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'thats slightly different take on "stupid people" :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am not talking about the people who do things like sweep the streets or whatever.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'nod, i guess'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rather I'm referring to the people who do shit like buy an iphone they can't afford and then have to beg the neighbors for food for their kids'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'but it was about educational system'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i refered to stupid people it was about wilfully stupid people, it wasn't referring to IQ. I work with dozens of PHD post grads, there are plenty of them that are stupid'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, tigernuts's definition is the one I was using as well.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In my opinion, the chief functions of the school system are (a) storage, (b) academic standardization at a mediocre level, (c) ensuring that only a tiny minority retain active learning interests outside their chosen specializations and (d) various more or less serious types of psychological damage to individuals that enable the economy as we know it to keep functioning.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also apparently some learning takes place'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'storage?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'but no child will be left behind'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'how about learing to integrate in society, like interacting with people?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'can't have kids running around when mom (and possibly dad, if you are living in that sort of outmoded relic of the past) is at work'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Walad.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'society isn't stratified by age :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I have known home schooled students that were very integrated into society, and some which were failed by their parents'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and a school is not a good way to teach that anyway ... hell, at the school my friend's kid used to attend they banned talking at lunch because the kids only had 20 minutes for lunch and if they talked they couldn't eat. '
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'all that that school was teaching societally is sit down, shut up, follow the rules, and "life sucks"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also "things don't make sense"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that falls under "life sucks" I think :D'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'but well, aint it true'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's true, but it doesn't take 8 hours a day for 13 years to teach that'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'we don't need schools anymore, kids can learn all sorts of shit on the internet, and there is no need to know how to write if there is ctrl-c and ctrl-v'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Those TPS reports don't make themselves.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'and no need for math because we have calculators in iphones!'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'dmnd str8'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's true and as a result, we have the 'economists' in charge of our countries that we deserve'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'a calculator is useless if you don't have a rough idea what the answer should have been.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what? you mean if my calculator tells me that the mortgage payment on a 400k mortgage is 5.62 a month I shouldn't believe them?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'them -> it'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'well that doesn't matyter, if they give you a loan, it is their calculator that is wrong'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least not until the FRS has lowered interest rates a bit more'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic snickers with Tinada about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid people don't care, they don't even care if they can afford it'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'society will bail them out'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lucky to get rates of 5.29% here'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'give it another couple of years of "recovery" and I'm sure you'll see lower rates :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, we won't'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're going the other direction'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police in Wisconsin are expecting residents to consent to warrantless searches of their homes to look for guns'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'in my opinion civilians should not have access to firearms'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think if they tried that here (we don't tend to have guns) they'd be laughed off the property'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wholeheartedly agree, Walad, provided that the government and it's workers also don't have access to firearms'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Walad, go preach that in Israel'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'what about israel?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be wiped off the face of the map'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'also i must say that in israel, MOST of population does army service'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'for few years'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'every citizen is supposed to be armed and ready for action'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure where that's even going, Walad, why does being a veteran change the boundaries of the argument?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'also'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'i never seen anyone armed in isreal, aside from soldiers and police'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'and i remember checks in shops for carried weapons. civilians dont have those'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't carry around weapons in the UK either, doesn't change the parameters of the argument'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the leaders are arrogant in the UK - they do not fear the unarmed sheeple'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police are not habitually armed here, Zela, and there are still some legal firearms about - shotguns mainly'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however i'm totally against police here being armed, even with tasers'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'likely owned by the respectable officially-approved "gentry"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it tends to be, yes, land-owners who can justify a need for one'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slowly being grandfathered out, just like gun laws in the US will be'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yes, of couse they can (wink wink)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'how land owner justify the need for firearms?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the USA populace must remain heavily armed'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difference being, our police where -never- armed'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your police were always armed, and now they tend to be militarised and run centrally from DC'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that's something you can fix'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, i'd just settle for the return of the premise of "innocent until proven guilty", policing by consent to protect people and their property from the misdeeds of others (and not as a law enforecment and thug squad for the establishment) - an end to arbitrary police powers and blanket surveillance'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'think defending sheep from marauding dogs, coyotes, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Poland in pre-WWII was "disarmed"  -- they paid a heavy price -- plus the "polish jokes" ("the how stupid are the ...") '
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hate to tell you, but those polish jokes pre-date ww2 by a long shot.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the establishment here pose a much bigger threat to people's life and wellbeing here than other people'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'WWII reinforced the stereotype'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'policing here is a fairly high priority to fix, possibly not the highest though'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's worrying, but not terrifying, not a cause for immediate riot'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Majic, i doubt you are older than 75 (born before WWII), so what you are saying is likely parroted'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your priorities in the US might be a bit different, given all that's going on in the name of fighting terror set against a backdrop of a country where you're more than 10 times more likely to die at the hands of a policeman than you are at the hands of a jihadist'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic boggles at Zela.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I realize this may be new information to you, but there are such things as books, many of which were published before 1945.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recent killings of black people aren't doing your law enforcement any favours'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'books are a conspiracy theory, Majic, there is only the facts that the government gives'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from approved texts that the government has deemed contain correct facts'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think economic reform would still be top of my list of things to sort out here'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost of living crisis, housing shortages, overtaxation, national debt'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's what you get when you put your faith in pseudo economics'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'may be difficult these days (of misguided politically-correct censorship) to buy or to access those pre1945 books describing detailed reasons for prejudices and stereotypes'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's baser than that, Marikk, politicians do what a) gives them personally more wealth, b) shores up the establishment, and c) is just enough to bribe people to vote for them again next time'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any economics input into it, pseudo or not, is secondary'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Economics is real enough, but current understanding/models struggles with outperforming random walk/naive predictions/monkeys throwing darts at walls'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'much like climate science, really'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'pre-1939'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economics fails because the systems that their ultra-simplified models are based on are 200 years out of date. They just don't work in a connected, global world'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you ask "which school of economics is right?" the correct answer would be "All of them, none of them"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The mainstream keynesian/neo-liberal mix is "right" because it is most mathematical and maths = true. Reality is, however, frequently wrong.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'printing money and giving it to banks, or printing money and buying your own bonds is not Keynesian, even though the political left seems to think it is'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'But you can't teach qualitative understanding (or indeed too complex maths) inside the current paradigm and schooling system.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'critical thinking'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes that can really only come from experience'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'heh, those British(?) fiction documentary movies describing the events of WWII -- portrayed by modern actors -- rally round the Union Jack, children, and sing the national anthem'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that they even made a movie "The King's Speech"  -- unbelievable and a waste of film'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes that can really only come from experience'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was exactly 1 element of truth in "The King's Speech"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts, you saying "The King's Speech" was a propaganda "cock&bull" movie'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but much like his daughter, Elizabeth II, George VI was a gutless fraud who fell well short in his official capacity'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less propaganda, more just an excuse to fleece simpleton Americans of cinema-going fees because it involved an aristocracy they never had (and for good reason)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see downtown abbey'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'downton even'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however the fuck it's spelled'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Tristram Shandy: a Cock & Bull Story" - an inventive adaptation of the notoriously unfilmable British comic novel "The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman" written by Laurence Stern.'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Laurence Sterne'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the movie was "unfilmable", yet they filmed the movie - maybe getting around the British censors was the difficulty'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our film censors weren't that bad, "Confessions of a Window Cleaner" is worth a look if you want a giggle'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it that someone who stole a $5 case of water from a supermarket during 2010 troubles was jailed for 6 months, but a banker who stole $5m in fraud walks free?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '#2tierjustice'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sorta like how ... kill a man, you're a murderer ... kill many, you're a conquerer ... kill them all, you're a god'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're currently burning disc jockeys from the 70s here for various sexual assaults/rapes'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, huge paedophile ring in the highest echelons of government in the 80s, even reputedly going to the royal family - the documents got "Lost"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess really, it's the class war playing out here in the UK in much the same way as the race war is being played out in the US'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just we're all too poor and controlled to make a fuss about it'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the 1970's were 35 to 44 years ago -- no statute of limitations of hearsay (?)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently there's no statute of limitation for sexual assault/rape'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shisho: 'There is, but a lot of states have a provision from where you remember it.  Like if you blocked it out for years'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an opportunity for perjury and gainsay of freudian slips, perhaps extorted by torture and intimidation, '
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm rather worried about the current witchhunt against former celebrities on sex charges'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are the Beatles and Rolling Stones okay'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only takes one to break through'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what, no recanting freudian slips of tongue (while drunk or coshered)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that irrespective of the real cases of wrongdoing there'll be those who were under 16 at the time and threw themselves at celebrities and got takena advantage of'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it easy to tell apart the cases 40-50 years on?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'those 16 year olds are in their 50s these days'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and probably hard up - a nice court settlement sets them up for life'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ah, an attempt at legalised oextortion'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretend they weren't celebrity whores back in the day and gush about how they were taken advantage of'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'polygraph and book em Dano (for fraud)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polygraph is not a reliable method of determining guilt'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the latest modern science is fairly accurate at determining what the suspect believes'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what the subject believes may not be the truth'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(citation needed)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see environmental science and AGW'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but the UK is likely "archaic", especially with the urge to protect the depraved upperclass'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising, the upper class, depraved or not, are still in charge'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'modern science is able to detect what the suspect was exposed to -- somebody innocent won't be with incriminating information (but somebody extremely informed by looking at photographs of the crime scenes may be privy to that information)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i refer to them in all talks as "the establishment" because upper-class isn't an accurate descriptor - there are plenty of 'upper class' people who are not part of the establishment, or who are even anti-establishment, who aren't rich'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likewise there are plenty in the establishment that are not traditional members of the upper class, maybe got power through their vocation (law, finance etc)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that were true, there'd be no need for trials or policework'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'upperclass in Canada and the USA usually means "rich class" (as there is no aristocracy in the USA)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so rich mobsters are "rich class" and "upper class"'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I want to pitch this idea about an act, the father....'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, there is that "British descendancy" that forms a self-appointed upper-elite that seeks to run things'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'fortunately though, Canada is socialist, and the lower class peons are happy'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an act?'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Canada also has an absurdly low population density, which does matter'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were claiming today in the news that the air pollution in the UK is now so bad that it's health impacts are comparable with smoking'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'air pollution from what'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vehicle fumes and industry, though they're blaming vehicle fumes mostly'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you get for allowing unconstrained immigration and neglect traffic infrastructure and urban mass transit'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unregulated industry produces far deadlier fumes'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the immigration into the UK was an extremely bad mistake'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'especially if the immigrants are from countries where squalor is the norm'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most politicans and businesses are still trying to complain mass uncontrolled immigration into the UK was a good thing'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly because it meant they could import cheap labour'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a *few* vocal politicians and businessmen -- with others nodding lipservice -- with misguided politically-correct censorship suppressing opposing opinions'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you can see where it goes, there is one 'upstart' political party in the UK wants to leave the EU and they immediately get branded as racist'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being branded racist or a qook if you go against the mainstream of political opinion, if you're in the USA you probably know how that works :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(greedy callous) businessmen and politicians used to laud the use of children working in the dirty mines '
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'UK decent citizens require to chip at the wrong established opinions'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(and using faulty arguments won't likely be effective)'
T3/r7/2014-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until they deal with immigration/tax payers subsidising corporate wealth, nothing will improve for the UK'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'publication of the report on CIA torture didn't do the USA's reputation a great deal of good'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Given the pressure of the various situations governments go through, it doesn't seem very surprising to me that they would do something like that.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Not that that makes it right...'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me because i have an extremely low opinion of them, but it's still illegal, immoral, pointless, and as you say, not right'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I have a feeling that's pretty unanymous. Dunno how to argue that point.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Rino's will'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Is there any arguably action that the CIA has taken that is even arguably positive?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legal action? probably'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Woops, take out the first arguably. Typing on a phone.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, they also bring drugs into the USA to fund their black projects, and actively make the US public less safe by their foreign policy decisions'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be reeled in, that's for certain'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, i'd pull the CIA apart and roll them into military intelligence'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like i'd gut the NSA and roll it into the FBI'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'It's hard for me to really form an opinion about such a large entity. The things that go wrong seem to be the only things I see.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you have to first accept that the middle east security problems are a direct result of US foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble in Ukraine is a result of US foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only trouble that isn't is the SOuth CHina sea, that's a result of the western world's economic policy'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(included in the western world, and predominant among them is the USA)'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but don't worry, i still mostly love you all :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as i'm not responsible for the fuckwits in charge of my country, you're not responsible for yours'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Is there any action being taken to change the foreign policy? Sorry, I've only recently started following this kind of thing.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, Rand Paul might wind it in a bit, but his chances of being getting the GOP nomination when he's clearly running contrary to the establishment is zero'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the other GOP and Democrat candidates are under the thumb'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Even if anybody wanted to, who would need to get the ball rolling?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american revolution might help'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'That's pretty rough, so many of us depend on things the way they are.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'failing that, nothing short of a catastrophic event or thermonuclear war is likely to change it'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, suck it up, jackboots are in your future'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I guess the other option is to flee the nation. I'm not a big fan of what they're doing and it's looking less and less unappealing.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's globalism, Uaird, there's nowhere to go'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well atleast there's a pretty strong lag in some places.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the fact that there's nowhere to hide, nowhere to run means eventually humanity is going to have to confront it'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'What do you think is the most probable outcome?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know. i've spent my whole life having to lower my expectations of just about everything'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people are lazy or wilfully stupid. I personally think we're fucked and destined to live a life of pseudo-slavery'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern equivalent of a police state where everything (which is not much) is provided by the state, where the only choices are fatuous (celebrity culture, choice of colours)'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well, I guess depending on your outlook, we're all slaves to ourselves.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll find what you can do, what you can say, what you can think will be highly regulated by the state'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well I'm sure a big part of our problem is our dependence on society. That goes for everybody.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'It's pretty difficult to change something everybody depends on.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally the older generation won't get involved because they're frightened of losing what they've robbed from the future generations, and the younger generation won't do anything because they don't know any better, and are so taken by consumerism and being trendy and gay that they couldn't give a shit that they're serfs'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so here i am stuck in the middle with you'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the best case scenario? massive asteroid strike causing catastropic loss of life, massive disturbance to technology and a fundamental breakdown of centralised authority'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will localise and be forced to take responsibility for their existence'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well at least we won't have to deal with radiation of our own nuclear warheads that way.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that doesn't fill you with hope, then good - it shouldn't'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern nukes don't have as much fallout as the 1950s ones'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty safe after a couple of years'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I'm not entirely certain I want to know the kind of damage we could do.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless of course you deliberately destabilise middle east countries so that dirty nukes get into the hands of lunatics. . . woops'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well, if everything goes to hell, I just hope I'll be off somewhere in the middle of the forest in a cabin :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are it won't, so you're stuffed like the rest of u'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'us*'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've followed politics, geopolitics, and economics quite closely for some time. I'm afraid there is no real hop'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope*'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can do is try and find your own little bit of countryside and hope the rest of the world fucks off and leaves you alone'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are that won't happen either'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well, there's still some possibility that it'll just be heavily stressed throughout the remainder of my years. That's not exactly appealing either though.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much a given, after all, you're a resource to be milked as hard as possible'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I think I'd rather enjoy living in the middle of the forest anyway, maybe I should do that anyway, and give no regard to the rest of the world.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'But I'm sure someone would come pester me about land or something.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be taxed in the first instance, then run off the land by the government in the second'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is government policy in both the US and UK to ban people from living in the countryside and move everyone to megacities under a UN long term planning regime called "Agenda 21"'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Or just hope no one finds me, I guess.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're using property taxes, anti-pollution regulation, fake environmentalism, artificial scarcity of housing, building regs'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Society is built to the average person, and seems to ignore the outer ends. Makes me sad.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'But I can't say I don't understand why.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'individuality is racist, you must conform'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not deliberately trying to sound negative, but it's not in anyone's interests to try and lie about reality. We are where we are, things are going where they are going. Far better to be aware and face the future forewarned than to stagger into it oblivious'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well, they make the laws for the majority, then force it to apply to everyone. If it's not profitable to selectively do it, they probably won't.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they make laws for the benefit of the establishment and apply them unequally'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why people who steal groceries go to jail and bankers that defraud us of billions of dollars go free'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'And yeah, I get it. I've always liked the saying about preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Just try not to muddle your outlook with either.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'That doesn't make any of the three less relevant.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the three?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'The worst of the past, the best of the future, and your current outlook.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Maybe that was a little vague, sorry.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'esoteric'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Yeah, I do that accidentally sometimes.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a great fan of esoteric, philosophic maybe, big picture maybe'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit is fine provided it's relevent and meaningful'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Maybe I put it the wrong way. I'm trying to say that while you should prepare for the worst, and hope for the best, you shouldn't actually believe the best/worst is the reality.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about the future, of course it isn't reality'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i'm angry about being forced to pay into a work based pension that i know won't be there by the time i want to draw on it'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Some people like to believe their idea of the future is perfect. I just believe that's a bit of a mistake.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Not saying that applies to you necessarily, but I mean how this affects everybody in society.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naivity'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or wilful ignorance of the world about them'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I was trying to avoid those words, but yes.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe a human need to ignore reality because it's scarey'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to be kind, we all know most people in the world are medically retarded'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I like to think it's a way of coping. Being strong can be painful too.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'But once again, that doesnt make it right.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't make what right?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'naivety'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does for them, they outvote you'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Well, everyone tries to confuse optimism with a healthy mindset, but sometimes leads them into being naive. That's what I think, at least.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an entirely rational deduction '
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'And what's your opinion on it?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could like wise argue that being pessimistic constantly leads to defeatism'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my opinion is both are true, but not inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I think everyone has their own idea of what healthy is, and most of the time strive for that. That's why I think false optomism would be more relevant.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Because that's what they're more comfortable projecting.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with pessimism you can back it up with facts, point to things that are going wrong and reasons why. Far harder to achieve that with optomism'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'That's a pretty good point, but I don't think much of anyone will listen to what they think is... well, scary. Those that do will likely be labelled.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and they are :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just using the word label has earned you a label'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'There's a lot of labels. Hi Marikk.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'So Tigernuts, any other things you wanna talk about? I have time to kill.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll speak to any subject, i'm not fussy, not about for long'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Any parts of Aardwolf you don't like or think are controversial?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the game?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Why not? '
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Yes, the game.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm mostly retired from the game, so have no opinion'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it depends on what you consider to be controversial'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'games in general are moving away from having any point, competitive or otherwise, and becoming just inane pointless grinds like Facebook and Tablet games'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'this game wasn't created in a world so politically correct as it is now'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aardwolf hasn't been immune from this trend'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'What do you guys think about the lack of forced RP?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i tried a forced rp mud once...not fun at all'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forced RP should never play a part in a game'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I'd say there are those who will always rp and that it doesn't have to be forced'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I kind of like the idea because it contributes to the escapism factor of the game. On the other hand, it can be kind of daunting and tiring at times.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I think that RP could be encouraged'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but you'd only be appealing to a small base of players. Dwindling at that'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'we have a specific channel for those people :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'those people lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they have an area with lepers just for Role play'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'yep!'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'Dunno, it seems kind of weird as an outsider, but I feel I can understand it because it just kinda adds to the immersion.'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i prefer books for that kind of fiction'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i've had many fond memories role playing'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but there is a place and time and you have to know how to use your surroundings to your advantage'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'How do you feel about quests being glorified hits?'
T3/r7/2014-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uaird: 'I'd say they lacked variety, but that's what goals and tasks are for.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to discover that a year or so ago, Massacheuttses state government got so pissed off with nosey journalists, cold case hunters, and conspiracy theorists costing them a fortune in time, money, and face pointing out frauds and descrepancies in their handling of high profile murder cases that they passed a law exempting all details of homicides from FOIA requests and making it a Felony for anyone to release said data without authorisation'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'London Metropolitan police could use such a law, since they're permanently mired in fraud and corruption cases'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(if that is factual) Massachusetts is extremely corrupt'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is factual'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(corrupt callous depraved individuals and cohorts in) the Massachussetts state government are violating the peoples rights to fair and decent justice'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fact that such extremely bad laws are being passed in the USA bodes an extremely ill omen (to and against the USA)'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i can't argue with that'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is the FoIA at the Federal level'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps state officials that pass wicked laws in breach (of trust) of decent Federal laws may be convicted fined and jailed at the Federal level'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'be fun to see that those in the Massachussets government that voted for and passed that wicked law be kicked out of government office and thrown in jail'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what law?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'debate -h 13'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'very seldom do people take true responsability for their actions. That is the majority of the problem with society in my eyes. '
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'tsk, sight-impaired opinions'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(grasshopper requires to learn more)'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'chances are one of two things will happen'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you'll keep whining about the government until things do start to change for the better'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'chip chip chip'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or you'll get charged with treason when obama becomes king '
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'hrm, another apprentice Troll'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently there is a company working with the US government and Google to censor Youtube against any videos that are... unhelpful to keeping the 'record' straight'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'called the Honr network'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wow'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people affected are having videos removed without reason and without any kind of response or challenge'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just been reading about it because a documentary i was watching last night, went to finish it tonight and it was gone and the google+ equivalent of a shitstorm had brewed over it'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the problem with centralised government-run platforms'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'which documentary'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and PirateBay was taken down this week, too'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a documentary called "We need to talk.." about Adam Lanza/Sandy Hook'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression they didn't like having pointed out the hundreds of millions of dollars that were sucked upas a result of the incident to use for a wholly political agenda'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, if you can find it, it's a pretty informative bit of work that shows up some of the hilarious fuckups that were made after the incident and how it has been worked like a cheap whore by the establishment for their agenda, along with some of the odder things that form the basis of some of the wackier conspiracy theories surrounding it'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sounds very interesting'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but where to watch it if they took it down?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can still download it direct from the makers, but it's damn near 2gig'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, must be a slow news day, BBC's head story is that 50% of UK's women are on prescription meds'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'does that include the contraceptive pill?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's prescribed for a medical reason rather than just for contraception'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're wondering, the figure for men is a little over 40%'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they walked around a hospital and asked a hundred people if they were on drugs lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, we have a national health service, they just delved into the records'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to realise that you can't get medication here without the NHS saying so'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wow'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, you didn't realise that? I thought Americans all cum in their pants at the thought of single payer government healthcare'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Joan Rivers is talking from the grave ?!? '
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well the system is in place'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what system?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Healthcare'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK healthcare system is in place and about to collapse'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is insufficient funds for it, so they keep privatising bits of it off and making people wait longer and longer for treatment in the hope they die before receiving it'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'hrm, another apprentice chicken little'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be the most efficient healthcare system in the world cost vs outcomes, but it's like a japanese concetration camp survivor'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and for reference, it costs the average earner ($40k/yr) around $500 a month'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well i'm sure the crap food supply will only hasten things in that department'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, well we hate GMO here, but the government is set upon signing up to TTIP which will force the laws preventing GMO food be torn down and we'll be forcefed the same shit that's killing you lot'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know what TTIP is?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some type of agreement I take it'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'probably the latest UE or UN brainchild'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Transatlantic trade agreement - masquerading as a free trade agreement, it allows multinational corporations to sue sovereign governments if any laws they have, or pass negatively impact their profits. These suits will be heard in a secret corporate court, heard by corporation-appointed judges. The outcomes are legally binding'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are also, allegedly, parts restricting the freedom of the Internet'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh cool'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the end of net neutrality, the rolling in of Internet ID, synchronisation of certain environmental regulations (lowering them siginificantly in the EU) and so on'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'predictable '
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"cool" isn't an adjective i'd use to describe it, "diabolical" might be closer'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'predictable works'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gonna be a whole bunch of hurtin people. and a bunch of i told ya so's pretty soon'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it -may- not come to pass, the natives in Europe are getting restless. Apparently some of their youth is a little less gutless and witless compared to our own'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be because their countries were poor in living memory'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they still remember what authoritarianism and soviet socialism looks like'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh unrest is definetly on the rise'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and in some very interesting places'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the places that don't really help us'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yeah pretty much'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we really need London and DC on fire, politically speaking'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '0h 4'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well lots of people are being manipulated'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'too worried about "waking" people up rather then finding other people who are already awake'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't talk to that, i'm not interested in waking people up'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well i can't speak for everyone'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but imo a lot of people are wasting their time and energy on fruitless ventures'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to a certain extent they need to, since they're being pressed from above'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the people being censored and threatened that i mentioned earlier'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well who knows what kind of guidance they've been getting from their computers'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'check out a book called IBM and the holocaust. you can youtube the authors videos too'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what they were doing back in WWII with computers..can only picture what they are doing now'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ibm? nothing, they're shutting themselves down and liquidating the company'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having moved onto other things'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'should have been specific'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i was talking governmental use of computers'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Germans like recordkeeping and IBM supplied a recordkeeping product'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'for warfare'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they liked moving computers in before they invaded'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just so they knew what they were dealing with'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'IBM were supposed to put Microsoft out of business'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they collaborated on WIndows 95'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'irrelevant'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'IBM was in a position to destroy Microsoft'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what evidence is there to suggest that they were "supposed" to destroy Microsoft?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people say Steve Jobs died too soon, you could say it was a fitting metaphor for the battery life of an iphone'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'steve jobs and steve jobs spent too much time sucking up to the same people '
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'meant steve jobs and bill gates'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i'm more saddened that they found a way to retard linux ie android'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'interesting discussion.  i'll just drop my 2 cents.  there are ways to grow better food and more per acre.  where "better" means more nutritious, no pesticides/herbicides.  BUT it takes skilled labor.  checkout "permaculture".  not really a solution to all you've been debating.  but it's a step in right direction for people taking care of themselves - instead of relying on some anonymous institution feeding them cheap marked-up garbage.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'more food --> more breeding humans --> more ecocide'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'less food --> less breeding humans --> less ecocide'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'you can argue that.  clearly any real ecosytem has some carrying limit.  "permaculture" greatly reduces the impact - in fact practice inherently incorporates health of the environment, though it is transformative.  if you hate transformation then I guess you could propose global genocide.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Hail, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalype!   pestilence! famine! war! death!'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'i would argue: "conventional agriculture / industry / etc" -> some environmental damage.  full on permaculture -> healthy environment.  no people?  well - if you like places like the Sahara desert then that's what nature will give you.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'i'm not particularly fond of GMO food as implemented, though I am not opposed in theory.  the issue with current implementation is it is usaually in support of non-sustainable ag practices that tend to deplete/ruin the very soils we depend on for food.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'man likely caused the Sahara desert   -- man caused the dust bowls of the USA'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'then there are the unknown and potentially adverse impacts on human health from the novel chemicals introduced into the food supply.  a quick review of the last century shows how well we as a species are at predicting the effects of our activities.  checkout radioactive water, thalomide, toxic metals in cosmetics, excessive x-rays of the 1900s, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Zela - I recommend reading about the Sahara.  you'll find competent scientists have unearthed/investigated the causes of the Sahara in some depth.  man has contributed (yay for lamo conventional ag) but is far the fundamental cause.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'far *from* the fundamental cause'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"competent scientists"  seems an oxymoron or contradictory concept in some topics'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"global warming"  "climate change"  "Creationism"'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'perhaps.  I add the adjective for clarity.  science, well performed, is a great way to avoid fooling ourselves about the nature of reality.  but it can be damaged by lying/incompentence.  as for the Sahara, google is your friend.  it goes through long cycles of desert behavior over the millenia.  human involvement on scale is comparatively recent'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they found out how much santa claus would make'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if he were real'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government's don't like people making their own food'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'independent people are difficult to control/use'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'perhaps.  i'd rather say people who like power first and foremost, like having power over others.  whether they do so from a government role or some other doesn't seem to matter to much to them.  just results.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'there's actions each person can take in day to day life to avoid encouraging those who suffer from power-lust to screw things up.'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like shooting them?'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts, get the address of Bill Gates, take a camera'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'join the Paparazzi fan club'
T3/r7/2014-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Paparazzi are annoying'
T3/r7/2014-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Aardwolf contains the set of all sets.  Explain.'
T3/r7/2014-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'why can't school shooters just start with themselves? wtf is to be gained?'
T3/r7/2014-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i blame "worms"'
T3/r7/2014-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its fun to blow up the opponent but it's funnier to blow up yourself'
T3/r7/2014-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'heh, that's true.'
T3/r7/2014-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'its fun to blow up both and everything'
T3/r7/2014-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you're going to play in Texas, you better have a fiddle in the band.'
T3/r7/2014-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Having your own lv 201x4 heal pot - worth it or not? Go.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'school shooters shoot up schools because they're pissed off with their childhood, and because fuckwit liberals and their owned media dedicate weeks of airtime to it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was never reported, people wouldn't do it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'first of all it was because they had arms'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'that would not happen if they didnt'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'that's not fair. plenty of kids have guns, and only several of them shoot people'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'yes, but if no kids had guns, no kids would shoot anyone'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's interesting... plenty of kids have guns'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so you are saying that if I walk near some kinds the odds are that at least one is carry a weapon. I feel safer already.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so mom packs their lunch and a spare clip, don't leave home without it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and that's not what's wrong with society, what's wrong with society is that people don't think that as odd.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I don't leave the house unarmed , why would I ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and I am going home and slap my mom because she never gave me a gun.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'civilians should not be armed'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have left my house unarmed all my life.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'people who leave their houses armed just in case, are paranoid enough to think that something is "in case" when it is not and there goes the collateral damage.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'how many times you been stabbed .. twice for me as a teenager .. it'll not happen again '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't go to places where people want to stab me.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'there is something wrong with your neirborhood or maybge people you interact if you have chance to get stabbed'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if you go into a rat hole you can't complain about being bitten by rats.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'nor cohabitation that rat hole (earth) now armed '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'ah, so you go look for trouble, I understand now.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and if I happen to walk by and you think for some reason that I am a threat, "oops, my bad" will cover it when you find out you are wrong.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I grew up in Alice Springs Nothern Territory Australia .. stabwound capital of Australia '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and when you left you went to another  place where it was likely you would be stabbed again.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I got to go, be back in 45 ;)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'no I have trained 1 year Krav Maga  and pretty confident in my ability to negate a threat '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'no  , where I am now is pretty crime free , we don't have ice here yet .. but we still hahumans and so there is still a threat'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'you are one of most dangerous threats on the streets probably'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I am more well armored and perhaps more armed when I jog  . but not a threat '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'you are not human?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I am but not given to violence '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'one not given to violence would not carry a gun around'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I don't take a firearm to shoot ppl I take one because I might need it  .. this is a pretty base argument .. better to have it and not use is than need it and not have it .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'but if you might need it... you intend to shoot people?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'if I can't defeat a threat with my training then I will use it  . yes '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'there is different argument too.. if you dont have gun, you dont feel like superman and dont start looking for trouble when you walk the street'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I've been down some bad streets and a gun wouldnt make me feel like a superman'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I feel like me , I will jog my usual route whenever I like and it's in a small town  thats pretty crime free , like I said there is no ice here yet  .. but I will defend myself if attacked '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'do people get crazy when the ice comes in? ... I don't live in a place that has snow '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'why they should'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'yeah ice changes places .. where I live most ppl are retirement age is pretty safe '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'ice speed meth whatever you call it has  destroyed small towns west of me .. but imo I reserve the right to wear kevlar and carry a sidearm  , I trust myself to only use it  when last resort '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'you roll with body armor on?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I jog with kevlar/lycra suit , yes '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'and you live in a good area?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I live in a small town  relatively crime free '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Thats slightly paranoid, or overly prepared I can't decide'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'is homemade  .. they don't just sell kevlar  where I am from so jogging int it I make continual improvements to the suit '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'if I'm paranoid idk .. I'm safe  fuck the rest '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Wow, thats rather nifty. Any concept pictures or like a diy you could point to?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'if you are  That interested you'll find a way  interesting how drone jets are incorperating kevlar in wing struts though '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Now to incorporate this into my stormtrooper costume'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'incorperate into your late night "I  can jog anywhere and be female" list costume .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Hmm, the yardage for Kevlar is a hell of a lot cheaper than I would've imagined'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'there are several types .. you only need something that'l protect you from 9mm short range and you'll need gel packs to spread the impact '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'What type of energy dispersal does you jogging suit provide?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get attacked on the streets of UK you're probably dead or in prison as a result'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such is the fucked up laws here'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ed sheeran, ginger haired testicle playing a guitar and singing'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm the US national debt could never be paid off without a catastrophic financial event'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'come collect..'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the moment you default the dollar becomes worthless'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'k.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it isn't a factor of collecting or not, once you've defaulted, none of your institutions can borrow money and nobody will sell you anything in dollars. If you're North Korea and are happy to be cannibals in order to remain self-sufficient, then you'll be fine, otherwise you'd be in trouble'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'good thing we are good at controlling assets in other countries'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's any concilation, UK has a debt in proportional terms just as bad as the USA, and the UK government is equally incompetent at dealing with it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you soon won't'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we also have billions of dollars worth of equiptment,technology and infascrutcter we could sell'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'why you calling them incompetent? they are not paying it and not trying to'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'if it works, then why they should'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan has a debt that is 2x higher'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some will go as sovereign governments reclaim that property, others will be taken by force'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Japan has been in financial turmoil for decades'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'if everyone is in debt, biggest gun wins'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global economies have been based on illusion for over 150 years, and it will continue to be that way....that is how credit works.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only tool they've got is inflation'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If we all used cash for everything....our economies would be less than half their current size, perhaps smaller.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, let's do that'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no thanks.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There would be less jobs, roads, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but i cant buy as much stuff with cash'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less jobs and roads? surely that's a good thing, can't be any worse than they now are'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got a helicopter and are independently wealthy, why would you care?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are millions of unfilled jobs in the US, because lazy americans wont get the education to fill them.  It is their own fault.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they need to when you've got 30 million and climbing cheap mexicans to fill them?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that why God made Mexicans?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we need more h1b visa's to fill the roles..duh'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap mexicans dont maintain computer networks....they mow your grass.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure they do, Mexico/Eastern Europe have better IT infrastructure than we do'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '...lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah right.....have you EVER been to mexico?  They dont have anything that is better :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'maybe eastern euro based on size, but no way mexcio..'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'south america is slightly better than africa.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, because the jobs aren't in IT and networking, they're in service sector'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some countries in central america are ok, but nothing developed like western europe or north america excluding mexico.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means having someone foreign willing to work for a minimum wage that wasn't enough to live on 10 years ago let alone now is preferable'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i dont know why i always get sucked in.. i'm out'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston Texas has one of the fastest growing economies in the US, and the tech industry here is booming....not enough trained employees.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pay more'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Starting pay for network engineers is $70k'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'they pay fine, companies would rather hire h1b visa workers who job is tied to their citizenship than hire a college grad and train them'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're probably poaching all the british ones, since you wouldn't earn that here'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chemical plants here are booming also.....Dow is spending $10 billion to upgrade their plants, and the others are also'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they need lots of workers with no experience, they will train.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hardly anyone applies.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the problem with a booming economy....more jobs, not many decent people.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would people with no experience apply when they can vote democrat and live off the state?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'my house has trippled in value in the past 5 years.. about to sell before it caps out.. i'm getting a kick out of it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i dont work in houston but i live here, thinking of moving..its starting to suck'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I sold my houses in houston last year....made 50% on what I paid for them.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'live in a small cabin on 500 acres in a small town....love it :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now I live about 1.5 hours NE of houston, near lake livingston.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surrounded by 18 prisons :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought they were closing Texas prisons?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'is there really that many out there?? lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other parts of the state they are, but they are moving the prisoners to the huntsville area.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Gruagach, they need them to house all the Black people they arrested over the last 30 years for minor drug offences'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Huntsville TX is the center of texas prison system'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'drugs are bad,mmmkay'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remember to take a towel'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when new prisons are built, they build them in this area.....the state wants to keep them all in one place now.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that stinks, if you go to jail it will be more likely to be far from home.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the unemployment rate around here is pretty low for able bodied adults....about 3%'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'My daughter is about to take a job with a prison here in NY State. Should be interesting.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact remains, UK and USA, both growing, but the damage is already done, the debt is unservicable without crippling changes'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US debt is being paid for quite easily.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much did the national debt reduce by this year then, Rizzer?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And it helps quite a bit when you have 200 billion more barrels of new oil that will save $500 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we just need to convince the politicians to keep going with the deficet reductions.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely to happen, Malkar'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even more unlikely in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop electing conservative republicans then :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the neocons have inflated the national deficit everytime they gained power.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace "neocons" with "politicians", Riz'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it applies both in the USA and the UK'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please, moderate democrats have reduced the deficit everytime they had power in the last 30 years.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'gridlock has also been ok for deficet'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it was dropping in the last 5 years from $1 trillion, to about $400 billion next year.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but now the neocons have power again, so expect the deficit to get bigger.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not over here they haven't, they only did it in the late 90s thanks to the dot com boom'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm reminded of the great firesign theater's album, Everything You Know is Wrong. For some reason in the States, there is the widely held opinion that Republicans are the part of fiscal sensibility. But every economic reversal back to the Great Depression has occurred during a Republican administration. Dems are derisively viewed as "tax and spend," but the economy is routinely more robust with them holding the reigns.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'last election the Democrats lost becuase the quit the field.  Economy doing well despite global slowdown and the didn't campaign on it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed, Malkar'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, most people consider democrats to be liberal thanks to the neocons, but most democrats are moderate....'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only a few really loud democrats are truly liberal.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people say the same about the Socialists vs the Conservatives here, but what actually happens is the socialists fuck it all up, and then conservatives come in and spend years fixing it, which makes them unpopular, so they get voted out and the cycle begins again'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and not all republicans are conservative....I have been a moderate republican for 24 years.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no liberal democrats, neither are they very democratic'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about your lovely DC mob that used the spending bill to overturn the DC legalisation of mary-jane vote?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about that for listening to your public'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't say that that made me very happy. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they didnt overturn anything, they just refused to allow federal money to be used in making it legal....'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what I don't understand is how you take away funding for not enforcing something.  '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'How I wish DC had genuine home rule. Make us a state, for the love of god.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'doing nothing probably doesn't cost anything.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DC works in a different way to other states, Malkar, on account of it not being a state'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yeah I know that.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, not "us" any longer. I live in NY State now.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'DC relies on federal money for everything.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'marijuana is bad for the general public  -- cocaine used to be legal until too many addicts abused the "freedom"'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can use private money to regulate pot in DC if they want, just not federal money.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cocaine was only banned because pharmaceutical companies couldn't patent it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Marijuana has been legal in NL for many years and I don't see that lovely little country crumbling under drug abuse.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ain't legal in NL, Rhavage'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'and they have a lot of trouble in NL :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not actually true, Walad'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'NL?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'weed is no more addictive than alcohol'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some humans are immune to THC addiction, others are not'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Netherlands'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It isn't? When I lived there from '03-'07, it sure looked legal. Especially considering that anyone could legally grow five plants for personal consumption. How much more legal does it need to be?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some humans are resistant to fire-water addiction, others are not'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'So because some aren'te resisitant ban it for everybody?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Didnt NL make it illegal for tourists to buy pot ?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'THC addiction is nasty'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried to, Riz. It's somewhat decriminalised, which isn't the same thing'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Then don't smoke pot, Zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were legal then the UN and the EU would be shitting chunks all over them like they are USA and Uruguay'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pot legalization in the US is a tidal wave now...nothing is going to stop it...the feds will join the bandwagon eventually.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legal pot threatens a medicinal monopoly that the industry have been lobbying/protecting for the best part of 80 years'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'genetically and or psychologically, i am iummune to THC addiction and immune to alcohol addiction '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good for you, Zela, then you are able to enjoy both without concern'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Tiger, I'm not understanding. When I went into a coffee shop in A'dam, why was I able to buy pot openly? Actually, in every damned town in NL that I was ever in. Which was a lot of 'em.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tolerated, Rhavage, legal grey area'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska made pot legal for the 2nd time......They were the first state to legalize pot until the feds forced them to make it illegal again, now they just makde it legal again.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sale of pot is illegal under international law, you see :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, that law that USA and others ignore when it suits them, but goes to war if anyone else does so'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont grow pot in Texas though.....the state will literally throw the book at you and melt the key.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I have to say that I often miss NL. The most topographically uninteresting place on Earth, practically, but such a lovely little place. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to the global warming brigade, NL already sunk under 4m of seawater'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's even less interesting now'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The world's most energetic hydraulic engineers, the Dutch.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should have saved some energy and just invaded Belgium'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what sensible EUropeans do'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New Orleans is going to turn its low areas into a new dump, fill it up 30 feet, then cover with 20 feet of dirt, and have a new city area for expensive homes.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NL could do that, UK already sends them tons of household waste'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Tiger. That's the beauty of the Dutch. They don't overrun anybody. When they needed land in the mid 80s, they simply evicted the Zuider Zee and created the province of Flevoland (which always sounds to me like a theme park, heh)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'immunity to bad addictions springs from the intense dislike of unwanted adverse effects of those addictions'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so i don't drink alcoholic bevarages'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so i don't stink up with mind-damaging THC'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, you absolutely will never become alcoholic if you don't drink at all.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'beverages'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I enjoy moonshine....especially banana.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that surprises me, Zela, it looks to the outside observer that you are constantly 'stunk up' with mind-damaging THC'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and hopefully some peach or apple moonshine in a few years.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I pretty much only drink beer. A little wine with my gf from time to time, a gin and tonic even more rarely, but mainly beer.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have your 500 acres nicked by the feds as set-aside before then, Rizzer'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, the moonshine isnt made onsite.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i used to like the taste of 60% alcohol added to a CocaCola drink, but i dislike the reduction in mental abilities even if temporary  - hrm, maybe sip, swill in the mouth and spit out, never swallow - yeah that's the ticket'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt you're going to see anything being fixed in the USA in the next 2 years'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rum and coke is proably my fav though....any cheap rum works for me.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real coke though, not diet.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'hmm, Benedictine liqueur, sip, savor, spit out.  rinse with Grand Marnier orange brandy, and spit out'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course adding a little rum to the eggnog is quite good.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i prefer a nice glass of grapefruit juice'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas grapefruits have too many seeds.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as do our oranges.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'rum to egg nog is disgusting -- you sound like an alcoholic'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of things are disgusting, but are perpetrated by those in power who should know better and given a pass by those who keep them there'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as torturing people, for a start'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Absolute vodka shots pinot noit chardonnay  chaser '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we'll also mention fraud, deception, theft, and violence of war'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'no swallowing, spit out that alcoholic crud'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zela, would it be ok with you if at least some of us adults enjoy a drink from time to time?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I swallow .. love not like  vodka that is :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'imebriated humans are disgusting'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are no alcoholics in my family, or drug addicts.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we almost had a drug addict, but he regained his sanity and decided to stop.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'inebriated humans are disgusting -- and there's the temptation to euthanise them :)  xchan'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you want to euthenise roughly 50% of the population, Zela?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'excellent suggestion'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add yourself to the list though...I am sure we can find a reason for it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'due to your personal exception to one of their habits. Is your right arm twitching, do you have a little slug growing under your nose?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the world is overpopulated with humans'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Pity. I'm really gonna miss Zela. It's always nice to have someone to monitor and criticize your behaviors.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have only one ball, and is the other in the Albert Hall'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world is not overpopulated, not even close.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the population has stabilized in most countries, even dropped.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parts of it are, Rizzer'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'add you to the list, you alcohol drinker'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage has decided, after much thought, not to invite Zela to his next house party. There's only so much mirth a party can handle.
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i am exempt, as a nonalcoholic, '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zela is like the crazy obsessive female stalker'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zela, I'm so sorry to say it, but you are one serious prig.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'How are Colorado getting on with the catastrophic increase in road deaths this year?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'burying them on the spot.....helps reinforce the roads.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'a problem that is solving itself ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'We say is, Tiger, not are. Not that it much matters.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(it was a loaded question, Tzad, there has been no such increase as was predicted by people who just have known better)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Darwinism  at it's best . '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, made a big pot of chili today....lots of beans, deer meat, and tomaroes.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's good, i had pheasant'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the spam kind of pheasant ?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Would love to stick and chat, but my Syracuse Orange basketball team plays in 15 minutes. kind of shaky this season, but I follow 'em anyway.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shot by a family member kind of pheasant'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thought hunting in the UK by commoners was illegal.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'do we still do the outrage and gun laws line or have we moved on  to more rational lines ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is mostly'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 0.1% can still own though, and pheasant shoots haven't been banned yet, though they're working on it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about salmon hunting?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure on legality, but don't think they bother'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I jog with a sodearm was a topic of outrage lastnight .. pretty standard I thought '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i had a sidearm, i'd jog with it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf is the point of having one if you don't take it with you?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, i don't jog because i got a job and bought a car'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(like any sensible person)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont jog, but I carry a double barrel shotgun in my truck when I go on long drives.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I was accsed of being a violence monger  .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by whom?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'walad  or close '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're probably just a drip'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or have had the requisite government prisoner training'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was once pulled over by the texas highway patrol.....had a case of wine in the trunk, 2 handguns and my shotgun.....and a sticker as a donater to the police charity.....he gave me a warning to drive a little slower.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been suggested here that you avoid having any stickers on your car as they're part of a scoring process used by our cops to decide who to pull over'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than that, have tidy hair, don't wear a hat, and don't be black or ethnic minorityh'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'bah, mental-retards seem to want to disarm the populace so the unarmed populace may be murdered by those that are heavily armed - likely get secret jollies from that'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'idk but shutup pretty soon , and I'll never own a legal gun in Australia  .. crappy mental health n all '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just carry around a poisonous snake instead'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have only been pulled over 3x in the last 20 years....and received a speeding ticket once....was going 75 in a 65...didnt see the damn sign.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I jog in kevlar and armed  home defence is a lil more than a sidarm  none is legal  but the cops will only protect me after they are needed .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it mostly depends on what day of the month you do it on.....end of the month and your chances of being pulled over increase alot.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, let's just say that police here, if you're pulled over and search you, can prosecute you for having a toolkit in your car'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your face doesn't fit, you can be arrested and prosecuted for just about anything'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guilt is just a convenient bonus'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'such a cynic :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't need to be a cynic if it weren't true, Riz :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I've not been pulled over recently  .. luck cause my combi van has Everything .. need it for work but I'm cute , last pull over was talked out of '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm so OCD about checking my car that if I get pulled over I know it's because they're taking the piss'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts isnt cute...so he would probably be dragged to jail and left over the weekend without bail :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately this means that while I don't get pulled, if i were to, i'll inevitably land up in trouble for being a sarcastic cunt to them'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Ris thats what the sidearm is for :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts likely speaks from the experience of being pulled over by the cops frequently'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Zela who were you ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've had 6 interactions with cops in my whole life, and only one was a positive experience, and that was one when they never even talked to me :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have absolutely no trust in the justice system. To do so you'd either have to be extremely rich, very well connected, or a completely naive moron to'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I dun trust the "system" so I make my own .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or live in a small town and play poker with the town sheriff a couple times a month.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sheriffs will cease to exist in the US within 10 years'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in their current incarnation)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your entire system of policing will be federalised and standardised'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'jumped up cops come with the small towns in Oz .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are you required to let the Sheriff win at those poker games'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas Republic!'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, they wouldn't dare giving us in the UK directly elected law enforcement'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'the reason they are sent to small towns is evident '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, but he enjoys my moonshine.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't poker illegal there, anyway?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas holdem'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have casinos in Texas?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'everyhing but cmoking cigarettes her is illegal'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is only illegal if you play for money...we play for stuff...like catfish, or moonshine, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never understood why casinos were banned in the US, seems daft'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'won a full set of tires for my truck once.....that was a good week.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't they ban online gambling in the US, too?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'gambling is dumb  imo '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'casinos permit money laundering'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, Tzad, doesn't mean it should be illegal'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook is dumb, is isn't illegal'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'casinos are required to report all winnings to the IRS.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the IRS aren't required to report to their superiors'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy you  are right .. and I touch neither fb of online gambling '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor do i, but still wouldn't make either illegal'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont gamble, I play cards.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe a Facebook virus that instantly renders permanently infertile anyone who logs in, i'd support tha'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poker is about psychology, intuition and skill....has nothing to do with gambling.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want to gamble, go buy a lottery ticket.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lottery isn't gambling, it's a tax'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'my life is a lottery ticket ,, the rest I try skil'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'on?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the lottery is a tax on stupid people'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'how?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the chief demographic of lottery ticket buyers is people who are poor and underpriveleged'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but they have equal chance of winning as someone rich? so..gambling?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not in Texas.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'same for poker machines'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you mean women?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'get it? poker machines..HIII OOOO'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know plenty of upper middle class people who love the lottery.  Spend over $50 a week on it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if lotteries are legal, why can't roullete, or craps be?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i buy a ticket here and there when i buy gas'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has little to do with legality, just taxes.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'same reason weed is a sch 1 control substance with no medcial benefits yet there is medical weed laws...goverment be dumb yo'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'easy to regulate a lottery, a little harder to regulate table games.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, then put a different way, why are social justice nutters and ultraconservatives so against craps, roullete, pokers and slots when they support the lottery?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Ris has it '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK manages it, Riz'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i still dont get how its a tax..'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i mean i've heard your cute little point before.. but its still gambling'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'paying rent is a tax'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'paying for public transportation is a tax'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'paying a property tax is renting your own property'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not literally a tax, gruagach (well it is, because the government gets income from it), but it -like- a tax on stupid people'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I pay rates . property is already paid for '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'paying for satelliteTv or cableTv is a tax'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm not advocating banning lotteries, all i'm saying is it's hypocritical to allow lotteries but have some kind of ideological objection to casinos'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'tigernuts is the tax for having debate channel turned on'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also true'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I pay for TV  nah dumbed down  media is not to my taste '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that you have to have a license in the UK for a TV?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'u wot m8'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i said, if you want a TV in the UK, you must pay a yearly license fee (circa $220) for it'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'is that for real'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'how many tvs?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dude i have 5 tvs'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any number of tvs'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 license per household'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'wtf..'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why we have a FCC....the broadcasters pay the taxes here to use public airwaves.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you are unable to discern the adverse differences between lotteries and casinos, tsk'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'to be fair, i think most pass the cost along to their customers'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radio frequencies and spectrum are big bucks in the US.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i think that aws2 auction is at like 50B right now..'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps the UK is infected with too many sheeple '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'sheeple = growth  '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the license fee in the UK pays for the British Broadcasting Company, which as you know provides impartial news :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw the news, the tv shows are worth it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dr who'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the shows are produced out of house, or in conjunction with the private sector (usually in some kind of foreign rights deal)'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh come off it, Dr Who is shite'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doc martin'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monarch of the glen'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'as a rormer Dr Who fan ,, Dr Who sux '
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doc marten wasn't a bbc show'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela recommends irradicating the British Broadcasting Company (or at least eliminating the UK yearly license fee on TV without eliminating the TV)
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monarch of the glen was, technically'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my perosonal opinion is that i'm happy with the existence of BBC and it being paid for by tax payers, i just wish they'd just take the money out of general taxation and get rid of the immense pointless beurocracy surrounding the administration of the license fee and it's collection'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monarch of the Ranch.....the Texas version.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Monarch of the Hood, Chicago edition - only lasts 3 episodes before all of the cast have been wiped out by gang related violence'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chicago has violence ?  But that is an obama town !'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Monarch of the Outback, lasts 1 episode before Australia gets rid of the monarchy, then becomes "Republic of the Outback"'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's racist, Riz'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'wrong Tigernuts, you are the racist with that "that's racist"'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only good thing about Chicago is that is where the tv show ER was situated at.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ER should have been situated in Houston.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't have lasted very long, Riz: "Nope, they're dead. $2m please - end of series"'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Houston, ER 'd be administrating lethal injections'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Zela, you're racist for accusing me of being racist'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we do lethal injections in Huntsville, not houston.'
T3/r7/2014-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going back to the original argument, i think what we'll see is governments hiding inflation but basically welcoming it - it is already a time of currency wars - there will be victims. Probably the smaller countries will suffer first'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lawyers are set to benefit by millions of dollars from politically motivated law suits filed by 'survivors' of Sandy Hook. It is unclear whether these funds have been misappropriated from the myriad of donations received in the aftermath, or whether they have come from political sources'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently. another new science paper has been posted showing that electric cars are worse for the environment than diesel or hybrid cars in most countries'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'science or "science"?'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing surprising there, electric production isn't often clean, and the batteries aren't environmentally friendly'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a proper scientific paper in a proper scientific journal, not an environmental science statement produced by a political thinktank'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(presuming that's what you were aiming at :-) )'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the first that's found that, either, tbh, but you know what trendies are like, especially those sandal-wearing yurt dwellers that think it's trendy to worship Al Gore'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'so what journal, paper?'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'a priori, i don't see why it's "not surprising".  small combustion engines (inefficient more pollution per unit energy) are hardly snow white'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'paper?'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor are most coal power plants...'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'sure - if you want to get your electric power in the worst possible way - have at it.  even so - i'd like to see numbers showing coal through a plant is less damage than oil through a teeny engine.'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't give you the title because PNAS haven't updated their website yet'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why he specifically said "in most countries"...'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most countries don't produce electricity very cleanly'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless your country is powered by renewable/natural gas, electric cars are worse than diesel/hybrids'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the question wasn't "can electric cars be better", it's "ARE electric cars better in existing conditions"'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the answer to that is quite often no'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer to that is no for the vast majority of people on the planet'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'especially when you consider cradle to grave'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most treehuggers ignore the manufacture and disposal aspects'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'it's a matter of priorities.  if "we" valued clean energy we would have it.  i suspect a system solution would include electric cars.  that is to say, i'd be surprised if electric cars had *less* potential than smoggy combustine engines'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and simply point to best case power production for running costs'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have an inkling that they didn't even consider the manufacturing and disposal, Abe'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's not a matter of priorities, it's a matter of current state'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean energy is considerably less important than clean food, clean water, and clean environment'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's plenty of potential in electric cars...imo hybrids should never have been made...they have the worst parts of each of them'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate electric cars, i hate the electrics i have in my diesel car - they're an invitation for things going wrong in an annoying and unfixable way'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'electric cars should be more like diesel trains...there should be an engine, but that engine should not contribute to movement'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'huh?  how are you getting clean anything without considering all relavent inputs?  fumigating the environment in any fashion (whether car exhaust or stupid dumping auto batteries in landfills) doesn't tend to make for clean food or water'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but attaching a drivetrain to the engine as well as the motor adds such complexity that it's just stupid'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can capture polluntants from your energy production, but that's largely irrelevent if you've spent 30 years mechanising your food production and injecting it with so much antibiotics and hormones that bacteria become resistant and you wipe out millions with the resulting untreatable epidemics, not to mention cancer and other nicities'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'so if you're considering cradle to grave (which is obviously the right way to do it) you have to do it uniformly with each item.  i'd like to see how the costs are tallied.  it's all in the numbers.  more engineering and economics anyway.'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similarly what's the point of clean energy if rampant GMO-for-profit utterly destroy biodiversity?'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'again, it's all in the priorities - as i see it.  i'd wager surprisingly little economic output goes toward developing or constructing clean sustainable power food or water.  just not a priority for most power players'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a lot of economic output is spent talking about them though ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: '"for the children"'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more spent on the sociological research than on the engineering fix research'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'i suspect that's universal - not just power players.  how many folks talk pretty about care for the future "for the children" - but how many with a yard even bother to plant a fruit tree?  pretty sure a tree in the yard is one of the least polluting ways to feed yourself'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it'd be pretty easy to have a little kohler generator in the trunk of all-electric cars for distance runs, and have it do nothing but electricity generation on demand, with all locomotion via electric motor...that leaves the parts count of the car to the small numbers for all-electric, but keeps the infinite-range of non-electrics (for my definition of "range" allowing for a 5 minute gass-up but NOT sitting in a diner for 45 mins while my car charges)'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best thing that can be done for the environment is have fewer children. I'd happily settle for an old diesel with less to go wrong than my current heap'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or go the other way, and standardize on a battery bank format...then have "gas stations" swap out battery banks like they do propane cylinder exchange...a hydraulic unit pulls the dead and drops in the charged'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the canopy of the gas station would be solar, keeping all of the reserve stock battery modules topped off and ready for exchange'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gardens have essentially been banned in the UK by planning laws that have seen laws on minimum housing density and the price of building land rocket to some $1m an acre'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just use traditional combustion engines and either diesel or hydrogen. Screw electric'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'electric can be done right...it just hasn't been to date :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can't'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure it can...it's a whole lot more reliable than gas or diesel'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, it never will be. there is absolutely nothing in it for car manufacturers to build an electric car that will both last a long time and be user-maintainable'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never never never ever'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(just don't let Lucas do it ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Lucas?'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have done so with diesel or petrol cars, but they veered away from it because there's no money in it'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'british manufacture of automotive wiring stuff...were rather infamous for unreliability'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole british auto industry was renowned for being utterly terrible'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now just about everyone in the world's automotive industry is js equally terrible'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalisation, you know :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Tigernuts - sure - autos could be made very maintable and more modular (so you can reuse most of the vehicle when some parts reach end-of-life). "But that's not cool!"  so most folks are ok with disposable vehicles using relatively inefficient engines.'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they can fuck off telling me what to buy that's "good for the environment"'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'cool > clean'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or worse still, dictate through legislation or taxation'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK (and EU) they force you to buy increasingly shittier cars'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: '"they" are the auto companies.  at least in the good ole usa where our lobbyists are literally the writers of our laws'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they are the governments, in the face of bullshit 'social sciences' and environmental lobbyists'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, USA is sending considerable amounts of weaponary and defence equipment to Ukraine, even before the congressional bill was signed'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring on the nukes!'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'surprise surprise surprise'
T3/r7/2014-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if China were found to be arming Cuba, what would the USA's reaction be?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recent polls by PBS and the Pew Research Center show that support for the second ammendment guarantee to keep and bear arms at an 20 year high'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appears Americans reacted to the political attempts to disarm them via Sandy Hook Propaganda entirely distasteful'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The killings have made people more afraid than outraged. '
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afraid of what?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Afraid of being shot by insane people with guns. So they want guns to protect themselves from other people with guns.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty sensible'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the shootings say far more about the state of the US mental healthcare system than it does gun laws'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'school shootings can be largely blamed on TV'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not sure I agree. There are more than 300 million people in the US. With a number that staggering, what system could cover them all?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no system could cover them all, just the same as no system could ever be perfect'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, if you plaster such events over the TV 24hours a day for weeks at a time, you're giving other nuts plenty of encouragement. It used to be when there mass murders or terrorism, you did NOT advertise it'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the people in charge at the time knew that if you advertised it, you were doing the bad guys work for them'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, i don't think it's possible to keep this stuff quiet these days, so you'll just have to accept that these things will happen in a modern society'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I don't know if I'd call it a fine line, but how do you differentiate advertising from news reporting? If the media didn't report mass killings, the public would be outraged over *that.* And rightly so, I can't help but think.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence why i said you have to accept that these things will happen'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm inclined to agree. '
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like the people here in the UK who complain about the threat of Islamic extremists in the UK. Trouble is, they've let Muslims settle here in large numbers over the last 30 years, so some radicalisation in the face of really deeply shitty foreign policy is inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no point jailing or surveilling the whole country, you just have to accept that there's a risk'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'On the one hand, you can make the perfectly sensible argument that if there were no guns, nobody would ever get shot. The problem is, though, that there are at least as many guns in the States as there are people. No gun legislation imaginable can possibly curb their use or distribution. At least not any draconian legisltation.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sensible argument because it's not a possible situation'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I was speaking hypothetically.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"if there were no guns" is not a sensible argument'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've draconian gun regs here in the UK for nearly 30 years, you can't own handguns or rifles, and shotguns are very tightly regulated. Still get gun crime'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, strip out the gang/drug related shootings in the UK and USA and you'll find the gun murder rate is similar in both countries'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(assuming that police shooting people is not a crime)'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"if there were no guns" is a recipe for state-sponored genocide and mass-ethanisation'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Frankly, I'm a little surprised that there is still no radical islamic movement in the States. May simply be out of fear of reprisal. '
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not enough of them compared to the population at large'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam is the biggest single faith in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zela -- again, I was speaking hypothetically. But state-sponsored genocied and euthanasia? Who do you think is in the government?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Rhavage seems to want to incite islamic radical movement'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What? Have your read the conversation? Are you reading-comp challenged? Where the hell did you come up with *that* notion?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I only agree with Zela insofar as you do not want to be in a situation where the government has an absolute monopoly on power'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed. And it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, picked up my pork from the butcher.....took them one of my porkers last week....he weighed 267 lbs, and produced 162 lbs of pork for the freezer.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Send me ribs!'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, though the militarisation of the police in the USA, combined with their pushes for gun controls and signing of the UN arms treaty all suggest that the establishment are trying to move the balance of power further in their favour'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, ribs!'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'bah, foodtalk is going to kill the debate'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK have already done so with arming police with tasers, spray, and bodyarmor'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'together with arbitrary police powers'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise 2 porkers each year for meat....love pork....the next one will go to the butcher in another month or two.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'pigs are not kosher'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I try to take them to the butcher at around 200 lbs, but this one grew really fast.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'cops are not kosher either, unless they are koshing those that advertise pork for eating'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have you against pork?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Speaking of guns and animals (altough not in the same conversation), I am very happy to report that the state police GOT the fuckers who were poaching my woods last night. Heard a shot at midnight, bolted to my car, saw the empty car at the side of the road, took down the tag number and called 911. Police responded and nabbed the pricks.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vegetarian nut, zionist nut, or turban wearing nut?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the butcher kills, butchers, and smokes the meat for you.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'disgusting odor, disgusting taste'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'its less healthy than beef'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'homegrown pork is almost perfect.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'more perfect is no pork'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yeah, I like pork, too. Love a nice pork roast with gravy. Mmmmm.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they grow in a 32x32 pen and have a self feeding feeder, so they are never hungry.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zela, I recommend that you don't eat pork.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, dont eat pork....more home grown organic pork for me.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing like a slab of freshly smoked bacon and eggs from your own chickens.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toast with goat butter and rasberry jam that I picked up at the farmers market from a local u pick em farm.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Suprisingling home grown potatos are much tastier than store bought. I didn't think it would make much difference, but I was suprised.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The cops were very friendly. I think they were grateful that somebody was able to finally put a positive ID on the vehicle. The poachers have been running them in circle.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'anyone have anything on the pakistan attack'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Rizgoth business is bad -- advertising crap food on the mud debate channels -- tsk '
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home grown is always nicer, which is why i'm really annoyed that gardens are practically banned in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Malkar, I grow my own Alaskan gold. Big, yummy potatoes.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Crimson, why aren't the liberals calling for a gun ban in Pakistan, because clearly that will solve it'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'another egypt'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to butcher 10 rabbits next week.....and 20 meat chickens.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Taliban is an Islam problem, time for Islam to solve it'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't say that I care much for rabbit, I have to admit.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we grew kennebeck potatoes'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love rabbit....really low fat, so when you cook use oil.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'we dont I anna make the. mad'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Translation, please?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'dont wanna make them mad'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the rabbits?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, we want to make them mad....gives us a reason to keep bombing them into dust.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'the muslim'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think they need a reason to be mad'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'thats not good'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'islam is a terrorist religion'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shot a deer a couple weeks ago....only a 10 pointer though.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 60 lbs of deer meat and sausage'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'dont agree'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like what Rhavage and I were talking about before, you ain't going to solve it, so leave it alone and let them sort it out'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, 10 ptr can still be a big deer.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was a beautiful deer, only 80 yards away.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'when one person dies everyone is involved'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Rizgoth seems to be using the debate channel as confessional'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense, crimzon'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope to get one for my limit, but only seeing does lately....and doe season is over.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'At the risk of sounding like a bleeding heart peacenik, bombing into dust hasn't worked yet and won't work. We're going to have to find some way to talk to them, no matter how difficult that is. And yeah, it's difficult.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'to merge the two debates US is not a likely invasion target because Pennsylvania probably fields about the worlds 5th largest army on the first day of hunting season'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'maybe but they kill an american and everyone is inlolved'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you aren't going o dstroy the, you aren't going to pacify them, just leave them alone and let Islam get it's own house in order'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Riz, today was the last day of deer season here in NY. My neighbor got one, too.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, love deer/pork fat sausage....had the butcher make it really hot this year.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela suspects: Tigernuts is a closet muslim
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'thanks for the thoughts'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is the limit 1 in NY ?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Depends on where in the state you live. Here in Tompkins county, I think it's two, but also you can get a doe permit and a party permit. Or maybe one buck and the other permits. I'm not a hunter myself.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shokran jaeelan, Zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the limit here in Texas statewide is 2....but only 1 doe during doe season.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least I think it is, it is 2 in Alaska also.'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'r&k might as well get me an xboc'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'xbox'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'r&k?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of a switch from pakistan to xbox'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'yup I just wanted to know what people think cuz I dont'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about xboxes? or pakistan?'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps it's time you did think about Pakistan :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'wakeup callscall'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Seasonal question: Jesus - Messiah, or Terrorist?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'old man.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'conjecture: Tigernuts, a wannabe demagogue, or wannabe terrorist, or wannabe paid rabblerouser'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'tsk, Tigernuts is attempting to scrape low with casting aspersions against the (christian) Lord Jesus Christ'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'to be honest, it depends on what is attributed to Jesus.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what evidence have you to suggest that he was made a peer by the British monarch?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Zela, rationally, it is probably something that should be done, but with religion, nearly every question to events and integrity is treated as an accusation, which is tiresome.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Jopari - "probably something that should be done" - seems like another aspersion'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'on what? you?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'to question the role that he played in the development of society and his time is not an aspersion, it asks for an honest evaluation.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the above by Tigernuts was almost like conjecturing: "is Santa Claus a terrorist"'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jesus was designated a terrorist (in modern parlance) by the Roman government of the time'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might recall they nailed him to a cross for this reason'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'wrong Tigernuts.  Pontius Pilate allegedly said he found no evil in this man Jesus'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'so he's only allegedly wrong'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Was Pontius Pilates the entire government?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'at that time the hebrews were a conqured people and had no right to execute. The power structure of the hebrews wanted him dead and used the roman system to do it'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and of course, there's not a lot of concrete historical fact to corroborate the alleged chronology.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the judao-christian Bible is a collection of fictions -- so the the Bible as "evidence" is confabuated hearsay fiction'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Jesus Christ never existed'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'the world is only 6000 years old'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "Pontius Pilate" story is fiction'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'not very good topic to debate, because there is not much to support opinions, only personal feeling'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'there is a another idea that aside from being god or not, jesus christ did exist'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'and its historical fact with enough cross reference'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'were there miracles? god? thats up to ones faith'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "Pontius Pilate" story of washing of hands is likely a christian fiction to appease the romans -- the jews wash their hands as a symbolic gesture, not the Roman leaders.  The Roman leaders 'd sooner "kill" than "wash hands" -  Pontius Pilate liked killing - in which case those alleged Jews demanding the death of Jesus were more likely to be slaughtered than Jesus - and perhaps they were, later'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'from a Roman perspective, why slaughter just one when many annoying rabblerousers may be slaughtered'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'from roman perspective those were their citizens'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'annoying expendable citizens'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'AD 70'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the christian Bible is a fiction'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I think that's established.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'cite christian evidence with regard to Jesus Christ, not falsified Roman evidence'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you know that's just being biased right?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Jesus said: "i bring not peace, but the sword"  -- not necessarily a terrorist there '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'somehow Christians got it all right? never lied? I think I'm gonna stop now, this is a minefield topic not suitable for a debate.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Jesus allegedly overturned money-lender tables in the temple - (not necessarily a terrorist)'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela plays the wuss card
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"tip toe, through the minefields, at the minefields, that is where i go, go tip toe past the minefields with moi"  (in Tiny Tim falsetto voice)'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"God -- a Deity! and or a Terrorist!"'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'reminiscences of a 'loving' god:  "Depart from me, you abominations into everlasting torments!" '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Jesus christ said: "where i go, you may not follow.  if you follow, you will die."'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and the channel moves back into silence, this time for the better.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Simon and Garfunkel: "The Sounds of Ignorance"'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'movie criticism channel y/n'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i only do anti-establishment diatribes and potential fixes for various problems in UK or US society/governance'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: ''6 Bullets' ending:  badguy: "Forgive me, Father, i have sinned. It's been quite a while since my last confession. I i wonder, does God really forgive even our worst crimes."  ?Priest?: "God might.    I won't"  (gunshot)'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(Jean-Claude Van Damme tidying up loose ends) '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the movie title "6 Bullets" is not very relevant to the movie content, except as an introduction - plenty of bullets and violence in the movie'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the movie starts out blackcreen with printed white dialogue (quotes are for pauses before display):  "Modern day slavery is" "big business"   "I once saw a child" "sold" "for six bullets"'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"6 bullets" a fairly good movie to watch  (apart from a few annoying extra gruesome embellishments) .. for xenophobes .. and decent folk ,, and those that like 'bash'  callous russian moldavian mafia  .. and pedophile rich arabs (with a prediliction for young white virgins) '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'seems the American movie industry in several recent movies likes to portray russian mafia as callous trigger-happy and depraved'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think they aren't depraved?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so .. no benefit of the doubt ..'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(predilection)'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(to 'bash')'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the movie "Safe" like to 'bash' the New York NYPD and the Mayor's office, and the japanese organised crime, and russian organised crime -- lots of gratuitous violence == excellent movie '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you stupid girl, you don't understand business'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but then again, it IS a Jason Statham movie so there was always going to be a lot of bashing regardless.'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why'd they have to go and kill the homeless guy?'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Safe" describes Triads Chinese organised crime - chinese criminals, japanese criminals,  they almost look similar'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps tidying up loose ends, if the homeless guy was a pickpocket '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the movie "The Darkest Hour" (filmed in Moscow) pokes fun at the russians with a deleted scene (Russians drinking vodka), and in an ending scene where the russian 'overproudly' states he is staying in moscow because "this is Moscow" (instead of more practical reasons, like fighting on several fronts)'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'hrm, perhaps this may be the start of a trend: "irish drinking Guiness" "american rednecks drinking moonshine" "aussies drinking fosters" ... '
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"scottish eating haggis"'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and for the overfoolish pride: "americans reciting the oath of allegiance"'
T3/r7/2014-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a comedic deleted scene to "The Darkest Hour" may've been introduced by the director stating: "And what movie in russia 'd be complete without a scene of despondent 'communists playing russion roulette'."  (sound of gunshot(s))'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the Rino's and their Democrat equivalents are now talking about bombing North Korea'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess nobody else saw the amusing mars-level hypocrisy of America getting pissed off at someone else hacking them'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like this is being used as a trojan to push through the draconian cybersecurity legislation'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn, they're fuckers'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Colorado's neighbouring states are sueing Colorado in the high court because pot is seeping over the borders. If the court rules against Colorado it'll be a sure sign that the constitution dead and the country overthrown'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts is whimpering incoherently about something again'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't consider asserting the tenth ammendment "whimpering incoherently", but then i don't expect you know what it is without looking it up'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"pot seeping" seems incoherent'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how the paper was phrased, i believe the specific grievence is that Colorado is on not upholding federal law, which clearly should be rejected because in this case state law supercedes it'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'You, Tigernutsack. if you know everything, maybe you might tell me why my chair is movin away from my table. 1cm/hour.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insufficient friction, hwuaijijalscrotum'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'damn it got rude fast:p'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd call it brotherly banter'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im only fcn sitting on it. drives me nuts'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Funny you should mention Colorado and states rights. Just reminds me that a big battle in the US is being fought (in a way, at least) between the 10 amendment and the 14th. Same sex marriage being the issue.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I like the fact that Utah has given an ultimatum to the feds to return their state land back to them by Dec 31st or it'll be confiscated'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'SSM (14th ) amendment is gonna win, I'd say.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the commerce clause is abused, was abused in 2005 Gonzales v Raich and should be overturned'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't say I'm familiar with that.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how on earth the supreme court got away with "talking bullshit and saying 'do what we say even though it's clearly nonsense''
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it regards a californian woman who had her personal medical pot crop destroyed by the feds, sued the DEA because it was legal in California, yet in the supremes argued that her pot, despite not sold and only used for personal consumpiotn, COULD affect the interstate of pot (despite the fact there IS no interstate market for it)'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might have just as well said "you lose because it might make our unicorns ill" it would have about the same level of basis in reality'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i take a different slant on gay marriage, governments have no business regulating marriage'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'calling something nonsense without being able to explain exacly why is also nonsense'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(exactly)'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've just described in detail why, zela, do keep up dear'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts whimpered something about unicorns'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they made being a fat lazy bastard a disability in the EU for the purposes of discrimination, so all the fat lazy americans will no doubt be shipping over for free goodies'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I agree that the gov't should just keep its nose out of marriage. And it will. The supreme court was content to not visit the circuit court decisions overturning SSM bans. Now with Ohio and a couple other states in the 6th circuit having their bans upheld, I don't think the SC can avoid the issue. And they'll rule in favor of the majority of the circuits and SSM will be legal nationwide.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'marriage was a very religious thing. but now its like a pile of standard contracts. so actually you don't have to marry - you can just write a contract. shouldn't bother anyone'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all governments need to do is put in some method of legally recognising a relationship, either that or remove all tax/law that refers to married couples'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not quite, Hwuai. Holy Matrimony is religious. Marriage is simply a civil contract, whether the ceremony is performed by a cleric or not. Otherwise, you'd have no JPs or ship captains marrying people.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'SSM is the prelude to Sodom and Gomorrah'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah. i doubt if even 1% of couples have actually read through those laws.. only the rich ones maybe'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its a custom'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zela, SSM isn't going to affect your life in practically any way. '
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Holy Matrimony is supposed to be Holy '
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed, Zela. But marriage can be gotten at a damned drive-thru in Vegas. How holy is *that8?'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'counterfiet money may be printed off an advanced copymachine'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure what your point is, Zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zela never has any points'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'counterfeit marriages'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't all marriages counterfeit?'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm afraid not, Zela. If a couple acquires a license and has the ceremony performed, they're married, cut and dried, whether you approve of it or noe.'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the depraved do not believe that marriages are holy, so they (pretend to) fail to discern there is a difference between heterosexual marriage and samesex marriages'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both marriages'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who cares if it is holy? Religion is mostly social control for stupid people'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Depraved is an opinion. The gays don't agree with you. '
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'north koreas hacking tea'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'normally i'd say that "Holiness" is a fiction, but as a disbeliever in religious crap, am yet not sure -- maybe there is something to "Holy" marriage which is vastly different to ordinary marriage'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, it's different in the eyes of those who see their union as sacred and sanctified. '
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north korea couldn't hack their way out of a paper bag, there's no way they hacked Sony, that's just a bullshit excuse given for invasion or other UN activities'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, we should continue to promote gayness: While they're being gay, they're not making babies to overpopulate the place with. Just provided they can be trained to stop spreading aids in the way they currently do'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who doesn't like two hot chicks making out with each other?'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an annoying facet of samesex marriage is that some samesex couples are going to pretend that their samesex marriages are "holy and sanctified", and THAT is likely going to annoy both the religious and the agnostics seeking proof of the paranormal'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who cares who is annoyed?'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'annoying someone is not against the law'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the lynch mob coming to your door, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they do, they'll be leaving my door in bodybags'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'in 1000 years we can have both sexes. we can jack off watching our own boobs. um.. oops. we can do that now!'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the lynchmob shall first send the cops to your door to disarm you, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the cops will leave in bodybags'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not that i'm armed, this is the UK, there'd be no lynchmobs)'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'football hooligans'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'football hooligans aren't lynchmobs'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. they do the beatings for much dumber reasons:p'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't tend to do beatings'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePGo_Pr6i0w'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "holy" are mostly sexperverts these days -- so "holiness" is mostly a scam'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but that's football lynchmobs going after other football lynchmobs. It's just a modern manifestation of clan/tribal conflict'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all team sport is, period'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people cared more about their community, freedom and liberty and the way their coutnry is run, and less about sport, maybe the world wouldn't be in quite the state it is now'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the other hand, maybe it's keeping all the stupid people occupied'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'clueless'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'become a priest and marry some poofs, Zela, you'll feel much better for it'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're mostly nice people'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that was disgusting, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's disgusting?'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i'm irreligious'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should become religious, it might bring some much needed balance to your life'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all the faux outrage, you'd make a great Jew'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'been there, done that, no thanks'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Merry Ex-mas" is a crappy movie - they badly cast an unreasonable eyesore bitch opposite the obviously handsome Dean Cain '
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Merry Ex-mas" is 2014 .. a slightly overweight fathead-looking formerly-slim actor is playing the rich suitor to the ex-bitch -- the failing lawsuit against the paparazzi photoshopped faux-photo requires a "Bruce Willis" catch44-type rewrite, where the slanderous editors of the scandalrag get their private parts shot full of hot lead '
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'tsk, Dean Cain put on some weight'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '40 minutes into the movie on TV and Dean Cain seems to be putting on more weight  (which is strange, since filming a movie is rarely chronological) - may be an allergic reaction to the restaurant'
T3/r7/2014-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the movie "Merry Ex-mas" was dissatisfying and the half the ending was horrid -- not recommended viewing -- not worth purchasing the dvd even at $2'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'I praise lasher for bringing all yje religions together to kill'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'should we (US Citizens) pay for the Obamas to vacation in Hawaii?'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citizens shouldn't expect to pay for treasonous presidents to play gold'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err golf'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts excessively criticised the Obamas and is obviously a racist'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Are Sony and Paramount a bunch of pussies?'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'cosby a rapist'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'seen it all'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'like a retard throwing you down stairs'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'im disabled so I can say that'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'prove that you are mentally-disabled before you say that'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'cos be a wut -- tsk'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the hardest part of a vegetable to eat?'
T3/r7/2014-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the wheelchair'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, most modern vehicles are now EMP resistant.....They come with shielding to protect from radio interference because of all the new toys that are now added to vehicles.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'resistant ... iffy .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think I will stick with my 1978 dodge diesel 4x4....pretty much all mechanical....'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I drive a 1974 VW Transporter '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i wonder if it is possible to engineer a pure mechanical environment friendly engine'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pure mechanical? yes, it's called a bicycle.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its bionic engine'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'not a Goldwing ? :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'produces a lot of shit'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'engines used to be environmental friendly.....30+ mpg....it wasnt until electric everything and huge engines were added that mpg dropped like a rock.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'bilogic that is'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and electromagnetically shielded isn't anywhere near the same as EMP resistant'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'iffy .. thats a technical term :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder....would a lightning strike be more powerful than an EMP ?'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'define "powerful"'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do different things, and are protected in different ways'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most modern vehicles can survive a direct lightning strike.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not only survive. but they wouldn't notice one'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: '...and useless against emp'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'A lightning strike IS an emp'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, ritz crackers...with smoked salmon'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'my jobsite had a metal tracked excavator drive through 22000 volt powerlines a few weeks ago .. driver survived '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'we all still buying lottery tickets ...'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'mm, indeed it is'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snowangel Tzadkiel gains 300exp for killing a channel
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, the new IRS regulations regarding foundations is to keep people poor, and from letting wealthy foundations from helping people for longer than 25 years or so.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'dont have babies and be wealthy without any loans to pay back. its so simple!'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the IRS requires that all foundations have to give away at least 5% of its value each year.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'move the foundation to an offshore account'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'money laundering 101'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you do that, you have to pay a special onshore to offshore fee of 20% of value, for loss of tax revenue to the US.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lolz'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'money laundering 201'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You should see the new rules that the IRS inacted to stop people from giving up their citizenship......that facebook founder had to pay $1 billion to take his assets overseas. :p'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if its legitimately helping people its doomed for failure'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unsure by what you mean as a "foundation"'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a foundation is a taxfree free entity designed to give away money to charities.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'G20 .. tax collertors .. '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"charitable foundations" are usually scams'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'seems the IRS is attempting to restrict the "free trade" flow of assets'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'large companies are able to hire smart lawyers to get around the IRS -- some of those companies do not pay any tax - even receive a negative tax'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of the income tax'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, one of those 60 inch HDLED tv's is calling my name.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some of those christian "charitable foundations" did not learn the "parable of the talents" where they are supposed to earn more talents, (not waste the talents and beg for more)'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most of them have money put away '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"their own very private charity"'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'look at the salvation army for example'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'privatize the military .. we can start unravelling from there'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the bible also says one man pretends to be rich but is really poor. another man pretends to be poor but is really rich...'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, privatize the military and the avg pay for them will skyrocket to $100k+, and we taxpayers will pay for it....keep the govt military, and the overpriced weapon systems private.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'the bible says alot of stupid stuff'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the bible itself doesn't say you should believe the bible. so..'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Walad: 'i think internet got more stupid stuff than bible'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'regardless thats how christian charities think'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i could care less for bibs of any kind '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, what is one of the best brands of tv based on quality ?'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have had a 40 inch vizio for 4 years now.'
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I have a 68cm CRT with a blown tube , basically black and white now , been using it for a year like it .. no reason to change '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'got a craig crt thats nice '
T3/r7/2014-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EIT): Torture?  or just a new method for ensuring accurate confessions... er... accurate answers from plaintiffs in traffic court?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 cops shot dead in NYPD in retaliation for Garner killing. So it begins...'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US Navy's new stealth destroyer cost $3 billion to build, and it is the largest destroyer ever built, but only needs 130 crew members unlike older destroyers that needed 300 crew.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'so will it save us moneyy or cost us money?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is yet to be determined, some of that cost is the research and development, and the fact that it is the first ship.'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the final cost for the ship is supposed to be around $2 billion each.'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the capt of the ship is named James Kirk......:p'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new destroyer can fire rocket propelled computer controlled shells up to 63 miles at a target....3x farther than the current destroyer.'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the future, it will be outfitted with electromagnetic rail guns once they are out of the testing phase.'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of a destroyer when you have no country left to defend?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what is the destroyer going to be destroying? nobody has invaded US territory in 200 years'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Enhanced Interrogation: torture?  or just a way to ensure confessions ... er... um accurate answers from traffic court plaintiffs?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'enhanced interrogation sounds like a spell '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Anyways isnt there always brutality on both sides in any war. especially the long drawn out ones?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'exactly?  why not add to the mayhem... All-State is here?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why not just sit down with a pudding pop grab your kodak camera and wait for bill cosby lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hes the distraction atm '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only reason we are talking about it again is because jeb bush is a possibility '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody jeb bush'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'terri schaivo and abuse of power is what they dont want u to remember '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if USA votes for bush or clinton again, then they deserve the collapse'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the collapse for some is necessary now'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all that money tied up in prepping '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's the only thing that explains the militarisation of the police and the caching of heavy weapons and road-capable tanks around the country'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'fifty years before the american revolution there was talk of just that '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so any talk about such things and they start militarizing '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'alex jones just adds more fuel then help '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'if it's seen as good for the war on terror, won't it be seen as good for the war on drugs.  or any war?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no war on terror or war on drugs, there is only the war on society'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he is paid opposition to me'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the middle class is like a timer on it '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'once the middle class completly collapses its have and have nots '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then serfs up dude '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'party on dudes - be enhanced to each other!'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats nutz '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still have a middle class?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't had one in the UK for some time'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a legal precedent has been set - if you, as a business that provides transaction services (a bank, online payment system) that gets used to buy something illegaly, you can expect jailtime'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, don't expect HSBC, CitiGroup, or Paypal to get into trouble, this is directed purely at alternate currencies such as bitcoin'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Tigernuts - what's the precedent?  jurisdiction?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'also recall that major banks have been implicated in laundering money for Mexican drug cartels with minor slap on the wrist in fines'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody has been prosecuted for running a bitcoin transfer service where the bitcoins have been used to pay for something illegal'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the precedent set'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extrapolating, it criminalises any business that handles payment transfers to the activity of their clients'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's analagous to holding ISP's criminally responsible for what YOU look at on the interwebz'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'holding gun manufacturers responsible for the actions of gun owners'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'holding car manufacturers responsible for the way people drive'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so on'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but here it's the usual selective-enforcement deal'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they need to hurry up and automate driving '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never want automated cars to ever be on the road, and i certainly won't be buying or using one'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think obama should get to rule forever '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can, in his jail cell'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols will never hwppen '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he'll have to make do with greatly overpaid retirement'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how shitty Chrome is, and given that Google already don't give a crap about you, you really want to be inside a car driven by them?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i love all of it '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why's that, then?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gonna have to learn to live with a lot of things it looks like '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the technology is not going to be mature enough to use for 10 years yet, and even then most people won't want it personally. It'll probably only see use as taxis in urban environments'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well thats given they can afford that kind of luxury '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression that they're aiming it at mass market'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you'll see Uber using them first'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'better dust off nietzscand get reading '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nietzsche '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, just buy a snatch landrover and add bullbars'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'people need to learn how elitists think '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll explode before they get what they want'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already beginning to unravel'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most people these days aren`t deep thinkers '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people these days don't even think'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not in a social aspect no '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its not their fault '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do most people even realise that conventional capitalism has failed?'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its enviroment and upbringing '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'capitalism requires a certain level of collective optism'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's done, what you see going on now is a certain amount of mitigation, delaying the inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes down you'll have unrest, and finally someone will start a war because it's either that or revolution'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all there is to do is prepare '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the unrest is starting, that's where we are right now'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, there is time'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'personally i dont worry one bit '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do, because it's almost impossible to prepare in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'everyone is beating the war drum '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it is near impossible but still possible '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now is the best time to practice networking skills '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'prepared or not if you dont have a good network of people ur screwed for sure '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'networks are screwed'
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'was talking facebook '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'face to face associations '
T3/r7/2014-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i was taught its not who you trust but what you trust them with. '
T3/r7/2014-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Runaway garbage truck kills 6 in Glasgow. SPLC and Think Progress call for a complete ban on garbage collections and universal background checks for anyone to own or use a garbage can'
T3/r7/2014-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the Rouble has firmed up against the dollar after it disappeared from the news'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: '1st in history'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '3rd in history'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems CPS child abduction is alive and well in the USA'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: '"No child left behind"'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'seems the sky is falling somewhere'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'perhaps there is a bounty $ per child captured?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has been postulated, and there is some evidence for it, since CPS departments do get paid per child rehomed'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also CPS attracts the very worst of people through it's doors, those little Hitlers who delight in making people's lives a misery'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worse than the Police'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'family rights handbook cps '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'google it'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'Marikk - what is it?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if u ever have to deal with those morons you"ll thank me'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Police in the UK have taken it to a new level though, threatening to criminalise 40% of the population with roadside drugs test'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'list of rights '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that u have'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'which states?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how.they operate and real case examples'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'all your childrenz are belong to us?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did you twig that you are not free, you are a serf?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all fifty. was written by someone who got their children back'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your land doesn't belong to you, your kids don't belong to you, your money doesn't belong to you'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no rights'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ahh hogwash '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were born into a prison that you share with 6.5bn other inmates, and most of them are dumb as fuck'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's my life mantra :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now that is true '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mh 4'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'but why must true things be sad?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'seems some government organisations are doing something somewhere -- i'd supply the details, but i don't know the details .. or .. you already know the details, right (snickers) .. or .. here is a youtube obfuscation .. or .. where's Druzil - he was at least somewhat informative amidst the incoherence (an A- for effort) .. or .. "look!- the sky is falling." (exeunt stage left)'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the price of gas is low because we are buying it on the black market '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its stolen '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'was that a racist jibe'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we are buying our gas from Isis by proxy'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which indirectly helps the US economy'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're funding ISIS then that's less the Pentagon has to fund them'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not in the long term '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Does Isis provide that much oil it can push prices down this low?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course not, it's the Saudi's'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi's are pumping to put pressure on Russia/Iran and the US/Canadian Shale Oil'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isis oil is small fry in comparison'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the financial system isnt even real '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and mostly goes to Turkey, their allies)'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they dont even use real math lols reghan called it voodoo economics'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think economics has anything to do with maths?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'says the poor fooled'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainstream economics is just political propaganda'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there is no fix because its not broken '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the rich laugh at you ignorant deceived fools (as they funnnel more riches ino their coffers)'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not riches '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice, Zela, what are you going to do about it?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'resources '
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'spoils to the victor'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich won't have a country to spend it in at the rate they're going, so i wouldn't get all butt hurt about it if i were you'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war is coming to a Ukraine near you'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must get the popcorn in'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'you mean, as a change from all the war previously happening in Ukraine?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, it's being escalated to directly involve NATO and Russia'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'what a wonderful idea'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is arming Ukraine and starting the joining of NATO process (in violation of various previous agreements). In payment, Ukraine have privatised much of the infrastructure, handing it over to US corporate interests'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many with links to George Soros, Joe Biden, and Harry Reid'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only Russia, they have nukes, so what's the worst that can happen?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i can't see them Putin up with it'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd like to just see Putin and Obama have a bare knuckle fist fight to the death'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at it as usual I see Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who would win such a fight do you think?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putin'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'probably'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'Heh. Australian Prime Minister threatened to "shirt-front" him when they met at the G9 summit. He chickened out. Which is sad, because he really needs a punch in the face.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's got martial arts training and was a former kgb field agent. Obama's just a big gold playing pussy'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'gold playing?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australian prime minister is a nazi, but probably not the worst head of state in the developed world'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'probably?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i can think of worse, but that doesn't make him any good'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least he's not that freak woman on the left of australian politics'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lackluster Lachdanan raises an eyebrow at Tigernuts's weird actions.
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'you'll have to be more specific, there's a few to choose from :D'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one perpetually whining about how everyone in australian politics is mysoginist'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Julia Gillard'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'oh, she's retired from politics'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good riddance, please can she take Theresa May with her'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'In her defence, there is a lot of mysogynists in Australian politics.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'misogynists*'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'discrimination happens. get over it'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'discrimination happens and people should complain about it'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women calling foul over gender discrimination is particularly hilarious and hypocritical'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'because?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the source of most of it'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'we all discriminate, i think you're just more senstive to women doing it'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't bother me'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women and men are different, feminists just need to realise this necessary limitation of biology, then everyone would get on far better'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'limitation?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you cannot have equality when fundamentally the bodies are different'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'Does that mean you can't be equal to Putin? Your bodies are fundamentally different.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure then, i'll campaign for my life to be extended by 4 years or all women to be euthenised 4 years earlier to make up for the difference in life expectancies between the gender'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'there is more racial dimorphism in humans than there is sexual dimorphism. are you arguing that hispanics should have different rights, because their bodies are fundamentally different?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Putin doesn't play a part in gender discrimination'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are hispanics a different gender to me?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'no, they're just fundamentally more different than a female is to you'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then aside from gender, what inequality exists between a Hispanic and me?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'more likely to be suspected of terror acts'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they aren't'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'presumably melinin levels'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lackluster Lachdanan nods at Emm.
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not sure how that really matters though'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'my point was that it doesn't, and neither does gender'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you say there is no gender discrimination?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate the entire different biology thing is a red herring though, different biology does not excuse discriminatory laws or power structures.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no discriminatory laws or power structures here'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in the UK?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'there are discriminatory power structures everywhere'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if anything, there is positive discrimination for women'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how about the law that says it is illegal to show a woman having an orgasm in a movie, but not a man?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such law'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'westlaw says there is'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it could be wrong though'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'we have one that you're not allowed to show an erect penis, or the inside of a vagina. everything else is fine.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably is, there are dozens of such movies'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'which means most porn is either lesbian or very heavily editted'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'of course, there's the internet where anything goes, so the laws surrounding porn are moot.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, any meaningful discrimination then? we're scraping the barrel with orgasms on film in a law that may or may not exist, but certainly isn't enforced'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'wage discrimination is well documented'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'note that i'm not saying there WAS NOT discrimination, but that there isn't any now'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no wage discrimination in gender in the UK and hasn't been for many years, by law'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would point out that there is more than 20% gender pay gap in UK but you would probably argue that isn't discrimination'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'what do you attribute it to?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not discrimination. Men and women with the same qualifications, in the same job, with the same experience and length of service are paid the same - it's a law and is strictly observed'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'you know what your colleages are paid?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference can be attributed to children'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i do'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and what about the disparity in the number of women in professorships or en route to them?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any particular subject?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'so women are paid less due to kids. to males not have children in the UK?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some might argue 'lower brain mass''
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women still tend to look after the kids, Lach, they're the ones that get pregnant - biological imperative and all'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, chix0rn are underrepresented in STEM, but it's more of an issue of interest than opportunity'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that being said, "interest" is influenced by atmosphere'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not that males don't have kids, it's that (1) males don't have to take off work in order to deliver them, and (2) males tend to sacrifice work for family less often than females'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will always be a bias there in favour of women having the kids because we are mammals'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although paternity leaves are more common now than they used to be (and it's protected right in many countries)'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that should be celebrated and welcomed, not derided and legislated against'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and because it's possible for the women to _have_ the kids :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the fact that our entire society is built such that people are punished for having and caring for their kids is an inherently discriminatory power structure that is so deep it is unlikely to ever change'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'punished?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean that in the economic sense'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not punished in an economic sense'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'financially disadvantaged?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have no idea what punished means in economic sense then'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are considerable financial kickbacks for having kids'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that, in an age where we're overpopulated we could do without'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'especially in france, but even there they don't compare to the penalties extracted by society'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if men bring up the kids then they are treated the same'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see how that can be construed as gender discrimination'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'implicit discrimination'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is in the same way that an insurance policy that doesn't cover sickle cell anemia treatment is racial discrimination'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for it to be discrimination, the treatment would have to be different'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance is discriminatory by design'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are missing the point'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't miss your point, i just think it's bullshit'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts -)
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well you are not answering it you are evading it which is poor argumentation.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not answering what?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the inherent discrimination in the societal structures that reward behavior that is more often performed by males, and punishes behavior that is more often performed by females'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'childrearing'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women do most of the punished of that'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are many others but that is the most obvious and easy to hand'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I never said men were to blame for the structural discrimination, though I think they probably contribute more to it than women do, unfortunately that is one of those things that is very difficult to determine.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I was, at this stage, merely arguing that it exists undeniably.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you'll notice i said earlier that women's role in childrearing should be cherished and valued'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if it's not men doing the discrimination, is it still discrimination?'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it is'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't see how that works, you're discriminating against yourself'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so stop!'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it just isn't bigotry'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'anyway if you agree that women's role in child rearing should be valued more than it currently is in society then we agree so we can stop this debate.'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes. there is no legal discrimination, only social discrimination, and that's mostly as a result of the feminist movement itself'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just can't have it both ways'
T3/r7/2014-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we hadn't gone down the route of globalisation and race-to-the-bottom capitalism, families would still be able to subsist on one workers' wage and the whole childbearing thing wouldn't even be an issue'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woot, more fun in St Louis'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The El Drakoth slaps Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no such thing as bad publicity'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how about the publicity you get when you are a grizzly murder victim?'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so your dead or just badly maimed?'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well since you obviously either don't speak english or are just being contrary I am done with this debate :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, that was quick'
T3/r7/2014-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is a grizzly murder victim a bear that has been pre-meditatedly killed?'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Kristen's Christmas Past" (on tv at 2am this Xmas morning) was an okay Christmas movie (although the 17 year difference (2013 - 1996) did strain the believability of the agape ending)'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to a report by the International Energy Agency last month, most producers in North Dakota's Bakken formation, an area that's been a key contributor to the shale revolution, can remain profitable even if oil falls to $42 per barrel '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stick it to opec.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US should stop making the penny, and create a 2 cent coin instead, and get rid of the $1 bill...make people use the $2 bill more.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'think we stopped printing 2s'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, they still print the $2 bill, just not many.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can get em at any bank.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is harder to find a bank that has $1 coins though....usually you have to order them.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'vending machines here give them'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not sure why, but few people seem to like the $1 coin....I love them.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I don't have a use for them'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg $1 bill lasts about 4 years now, and the coins 20+ years, so it makes sense to make them and phase out the $1 bill.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just print less of them each year, and more of the $1 coins.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'start with the penny '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'costs 1.4 cents to make a penny now....replace it with a 2 cent coin.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scrap 1 and 2's'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have 5 as the minimum'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'no just start with a nickel... to much to mint $.02'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The El Drakoth: 'remove one problem to create another? that doesnt even make sense, just get rid of the penny entirely'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's your own government's fault for inflating your currency since coming off the gold standard'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'it will fuck with walmarts x.97 price scheme'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours is no different, but we switched to plated steel coins in 1997'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it wasnt a problem until the price of zinc skyrocketed because of a lack of new zinc mines.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is the government's way of passing all their debts onto their children, pretty sick really'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the old zinc mines are almost mined out.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and for making it difficult to pass wealth on to the next generation)'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'we pass on debt instead'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because of the debt they run up they then require the inflation for'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'debt is a good thing, but too much debt is a bad thing.  We are close to having too much debt.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're well past too much'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps you are, but we can still pay down our debt to foreign nations.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'might as well as just wait and see what happens '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it possible to do anything else?'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$50 oil is like a $150 billion savings each year though.....use that extra money to lower avg debt loads.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many people did after 2008.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll use it to ship democrat voters in from mexico'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it won't help OUR debt since we're not a big oil producer'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, low oil prices save you money if you are a big importer, not a big exporter, unless you also use a lot of oil like the US :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US used to import almost 70% of its oil, now we only import about 45%'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's barely helping anyone here at all, other than wiping out the remaining jobs in the North Sea oil fields'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the problem is population. too many laws that go against natural selection'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas prices here have dropped, maybe 10%'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increased efficiency in vehicles is one of the major factors in the US drop of oil imports.....plus an additional 1 million barrels of oil from north dakota, Texas and a myriad of other states combined.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is too bad the gov of NY is retarded, he just cost the state over $200 billion in the next 30 years.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how did he do that?'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'weak minded people r the majority and they rule. all we can do is hope we have enough wits to survive. there will bbe a pu'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he banned fracking'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'purge. they arent retarded '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canadian tar sands is now profitable at $22 a barrel....wtg canadian oil companies, keep up the good r/d'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most politicans are well to do. i think they proved the laws dont apply to them.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'look at rob ford hahaha '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has its own version of tar sands, but unfortunately it is too deep to be economically extracted right now.....about 2 trillion barrels worth.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is pretty smart...they are investing big bucks into building the Alaska natural gas pipeline from the north slope....they can get a long term contract for natgas.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes a lot of sense to export natgas from Alaska instead of from the lower 48 states.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska needs to build some casinos.....a large travel group just rated Alaska as the #1 destination in the US for domestic travelling, beating las vegas.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think you mean las vegas needs to build glaciers.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they could freeze the hoover dam.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has become a dominant oil producer, boosting its share of U.S. crude production from 25% to more than 40% over the past five years.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'Why is it that when a black shoots a black, the black community does not get up in arms.....'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'it removes the racial elements'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'I am bothered by the non-facts that low income individuals riot and steal things making peaceful demonstraters look bad.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what proof do you have they are low income?'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'could be drug dealers'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'Fine...."Shady people"'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'sometimes it is affluent punks out for a thrill.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'peaceful protestors do very little to ensure that things stay peaceful '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I would, I'm not fond of getting hurt'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they allow these punks to mingle with them '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'at least imo'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what are they going to do, gang up on the puinks'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "establishment" sent "rabblerousers" to suggest rioting and looting among the low-income (or maybe they are not low-income but poseurs and professional-criminals) (and then the low-income follow and copy the examples shown by the establishment career-criminals)'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'set themselves apart'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not invite everyone and their brother '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'i thin it is the one bad seed thing, there isn't really a way to seperate.... '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hard for peaceful protesters to seperate from the rest, but in Ferguson at least they need to realise when they accidently switch from protesters to a screen for the looters.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only riots that change anything are ones targetting governance'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'criminality usually springs from the establishment'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ones targetting Target achieve little'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "undercover" operatives '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'respecting free speech zones goes against the very concept of protesting '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "undercover" operatives encouraged and paid by the "plausible deniability" establishment'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, despite protests not really needing anything to discredit their message owing to the natural way that bad eggs ruin it, the US FBI is world famous for agent provocoteurs'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in everything from black street protest to terrorist bomb plots'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well look at iq and how its dropped '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iq has stayed the same, intelligence has dropped'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'true and even worse'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'however u cut it the result is the same sadly'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'increased sexual-depravity is likely a contributing cause to the drop in intelligence among some (sub)humans'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mechanisation and electronics, zela, not arse-buggery'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't have to think because they have gadgets to do it for them, they have media to tell them what and how to think. Bascially societal control'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but did you (preferably not) view some of those depraved movies (provided by modern technology etcetera)'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your and my definition of depraved are some distance apart. I see twitter and facebook as depraved'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see party political democracy as depraved'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the overpopulation of the planet as depraved'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not over populated imo '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 women noshing at each other's bits isn't a cause for concern'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just not enough quality '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is if you like the standard of living you're used to, Marikk'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Bridget Jones Diary" was a depraved movie -- there was buggery simulated there '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got the impression you liked buggary, Zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my standard of living has always sucked. cant get much worse '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can, Marikk, and so can everyone else's'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts is obviously projecting his or her own depraved desires onto others'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'maybe i was taught to be too honest. '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a song in there somewhere'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Old Testament was likely right in demanding that buggery be punishable by death'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we want to live in a sustainable way with the technology currently available, max population is around 3bn'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we're willing to reduce our standard of living to that typical of India and parts of China, then we can support what we have now'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'AIDS :: anally inserted death sentence'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we're prepared to have a standard of living similar to the third world and the poorest parts of Africa, we can expand to around 8.5bn'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'too many humanitarians worried the serial kkiller will hurt too much '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that the death penalty is wrong '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd like to see the world population brought down to around 1bn'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'me too tiger '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'i agree, even though some people might deserve to die'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can decomission nukes at the same time. Two birds with one stone'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'and go back to a trade and barter system, too'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what do you agree with?'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'death penalty is wrong'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money is fine, just pin it back to gold'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If you haven't already, one day you will wake up and realise you were born into a prison with 6.5bn inmates, most of which are retarded. Merry Xmas!'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the use of the Vlad the Impaler method of disposing of the sexually-depraved sodomers  -- debatable whether that is buggary - perhaps irony'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'a lot of those kinds of people collect government benefits. '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my prediction is that vigilantism will make a come back in the near future'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'so... i'm late to this debate.  but, tigernuts i'm pretty sure world can sustain current or more at a high quality of life *DEPENDING* on definition of quality.  so... for me no yacht - but good food, leisure time, health, community, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'world probably could but thats not the point'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'perhaps i missed it.  are you referring to the "inmates" part of tigernuts position?'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'give people the means to sustain themselves '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'in the industrial world i'd wager many have that opportunity but either don't know it - or don't care'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and not wellfare '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'i'm not referring to wellfare, but to ability to actually sustain oneself.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they will take care of themselves through their own ignorance '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there isnt much oppurtunity where i live. the majority dont care so it ruins it for the rest of us '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'i don't know your situation, but i'd say in a great many places where you can get a parcel of land, there's a whole lot you can do to feed yourself better than grocery mart or local vendor will.  and for less.  takes some time and application though.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that is a good idea. industry ruined this area. few farms but you would have to be rich to actually own them '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'don't need much land.  a few hundred square meters of soil with sun access can be surprisingly productive.  i'm going off what others have reported - though my efforts have seen a few successes that confirm what veterans claim.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'also its only a matter of time before your crops would become contaminated by gmos'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ur best bet is a greenhouse not open field '
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'contamination is a potential issue - depending on where you are and what you grow.  a greenhouse can be built relatively cheaply in many climates that'll cover the necessary land - though, again, i haven't gotten that far myself.'
T3/r7/2014-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rakkicr: 'but i'd suggest using contamination as a reason not to learn how to is not the best path'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'love all the weak excuses people use to justify scumbag behavior '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even better is breaking their excuse to its source'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'philosophy is dead my friends'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'what has ur nuts Tiggy .. ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my left hand'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'they have nerve endings ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not anymore'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'kinda confused on where bals cum into the equasion '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'do balls have a suxual component ? are they like nipples ? '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cartridge'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'is it in a pear tree?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Luxiat P
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but you said snes '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not snes cartridge in ur guess. lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'pinata'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or.however u spell it'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'switzerland now has negative bank savings rates, as does Japan'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can they claim that the economy is "recovering" while inflation remains high, and savings interest goes negative?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that suggest exactly the opposite?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'to buy time '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kicking the can down the road because they can't fix it, theory?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a good time to have money'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a good time to not have money'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'kicking the can while the gov preps'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'imo'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there really isn't an inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sure there is '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without people they are largely nothing'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why stir the pot and then stop?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its similar to the social security will be bankrupt by 2025 message of the nineties'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what that means is we are bankrupting it now or have already and we want it gone by 2025'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your social security is anything like our national insurance, then it was already insolvent decades ago because the money is not 'stored', it's commitments are paid out of current taxation'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course a new can of worms jjust got opened with north korea'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'centralized banking also makes recovery near impossible'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north korea doesn't really change anything'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sure it does'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'centralized banking itself isn't the problem, but the lack of regulation of the financial markets and creating money out of thin air certainly contributes to it'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cyberwarfare is still warfare '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'North Korea is a basket case and will continue to be a basket case, they're forever making threats, but have no ability to follow through on them. You can't do anything with them'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'looks to me like just about every country is having it out with another country or at war with itself atm'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing that can fix North Korea is Russia or China taking them under their wing and gradually infiltrating them'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now they cant google how to build a nuke lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already know how'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i doubt that '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they just got the sega saturn over there lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been detonating them for about 5 years in tests'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just haven't got them small enough to mount in a warhead'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'but do they have lazers?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lasers are pretty pointless'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only the ones dennis rodman brings with him'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and lasers are not as pointless as one would think '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'pointless? pretty sure theyre great for defense'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defence against what?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'missiles, for one'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, in a vacuum maybe, but in atmosphere, i doubt they'll ever be of use'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to decent rocketry'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair though, North Korea threatens nobody save South Korea'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'theyre also great targeting systems'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and technically still at war with Japan'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hey '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're the biggest threat to themselves'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the leader of nk played a good part in the hangover movies'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gotta give them that '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, what are they going to do? Send some angry propaganda at you? Parade some 1950s Russian military equipment past you threateningly? FFS, most of them are starving to death or living in permanent fear'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but if you dont believe nk hacked sony...'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then im guessing you believe it was an inside job'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they didn't hack Sony, they've barely got electricity'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'claiming it was NK, or claiming it was an inside job cuts out all of the other possibilities, which are all more likely'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most likely culprit is an independent group doing it for money, shits, and giggles'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'interesting perspective '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really interesting, blatantly obvious'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when Sony was hacked, their first demand was for money. If you were hacking for political, propaganda, or espionage aims, you would not demand money. It was a mercenary group'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been hacked previously by mercenary groups'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they deserve it'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sony? Why?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why not '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make any sense'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sure it does'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do Sony deserve to be hacked? Ethical reasons? Political reasons? Ideological reasons? What?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are just another corporation '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'liars and thieves '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that for a fact?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sure they produce enough propaganda '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't it be preferable to vent your wrath on corporations that can be proven to have done wrong?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'corporations were created, and kept alive by, consumer demand'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'just sayin''
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sony are pretty lame, imho, in the grand scheme of things'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lame propaganda machine'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'd go for the financiers and the technology corps that are known to be complicit with the worst dregs of the establishment'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'though i do like the movies they have on pirate bay '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, HSBC, Barclays, Montsanto, Pfeizer, GSK'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BP, Chevron, News Corp'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt Sony would even make top 20'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ibm'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont forget them'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're busy dissolving their assets atm'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'busy playing the shell game'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they were responsible for millions of deaths during world war two '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they just want to dissolve so they can move their projects out of the public eye'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more power to them'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well remember no matter what people will complain '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but in the end can do nothing'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love all the tweets from spoilt little shits complaining they didn't get an ipad air 2 for xmas'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd give up all my money for a huge solar flare to fry all the satellites and screw the Internet up for a few years'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'alex Jones and the like are just stirring the pot while eeveryone else iis playing war games wwith a computer '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'a solar flare like that would kill millions'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they arent just spying on us they are analyzing us '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'so much of the infrastructure depends on the internet'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'our infrastructure not the goverments '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a solar flare like that would not kill millions'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not directly'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'indirectly definetly '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's good, right?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get rid of the scum?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yep'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i support the ones in power not the constitution '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i just as soon turn on them at the first sign of weakness '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tis the nature of power'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's no good :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's no good :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course i wouldnt go completely based on that either'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if an intelligent person such as yourselves needed help i would give.it '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the rest would get shot on my doorstep and used for sandbags if shtf '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your intelligence is a power all its own '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd soon find yourself taken out'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably have a file on you already ready to come take you away :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'i never said directly '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to believe there'll either be massive wars, or massive revolutions rather than a police state and centralised planning'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'or, more likely, massive revolutions because of police states'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of both probably'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest motivator of revolutions will be poverty'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shortages of fuel, food'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'true that'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'but will those be wars in truth, or small scale battles?'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nukes'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a dicl'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a dickybird tells me Putin has authorised his military to use battlefield nukes in the eventuality that NATO deploys troops to Ukraine'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'merry xmas!'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what does the recently passed law in the USA state? We're going to bypass German and other NATO countries objections and put consider Ukraine, Georgia and MOldova defacto Members of NATO'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so really what Lindsey Graham and Harry Reid have done with this bill is write on the wall the fact that they want nuclear war with Russia and drag Europe in without their approval'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheers America, merry fuckin christmas'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as actors, Don Adams was a far better "agent Maxwell Smart" than Steve Carell'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hard to start a debate with that :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'peter selers was also a much better inspector Clauso (sp?) than the remake.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I guess its the problem of imitating someone else rather than doing your own thing.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Peter Sellers was likely a better and more talented actor than Steve Martin  (also those two look different)'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Steve Martin isn't a bad actor, just not versatile enough to pretend to be Peter Sellers.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'they "miscast" the actors in the Pink Panther sequels'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the trailer for the remake of Mad Max seems to indicate it is going to be a movie about explosions.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'maybe they should remake bad movies that can be fixed.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Police Academy seems like a good canidate, good premise, so-so movie.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Steve Carell's facial nuances are not as good as those of Don Adams  ("less is more"). Steve Carell seemed to be "hamming" the part of Maxwell Smart (very slightly, something about the body language or delivery) '
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Steve Carrell usually plays slightly awkward characters,  Maxwell we never with it enough to realise something was awkward.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'maxwell had a confidence about him.'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as Maxwell Smart, there seems to be a very very slight grin on Steve Carell's face at the end of some deliveries, as though Sreve Carell were waiting for the laugh track or applause or praise that he "nailed the delivery" (but he didn't, unless into a coffin)'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a good comedy-dramatic actor does not grin at his own deliveries'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'who are you arguing with'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we seem to be agreeing. I hope we don't get thrown off the channel'
T3/r7/2014-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'at least Ann Hathaway was attractive eyecandy in "Get Smart" (2008), although something is missing from that movie'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Topic: fanfic copyright violations'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Right, so I'm not getting how anyone could sue fanfic creators, as those aren't commercial. Worse come to worse the fanfic creators could claim it was a parody'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they can easily afford to make Lasher lose his home, so unless you're volunteering to take on all of the risk, STFU :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they can't make lasher lose his home unless lasher broke some laws...?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who told you that you had to be commercial to be in violation?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'wait, is aard commercial?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't have to be commercial to be in violation...but Aard does have income'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SantAard Anaristos: 'if your child uses copyrighted material for his school project and the holders of the copyright felt like it, they could sue you and win.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually they couldn't win for that, but you could still lose your house in the process'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'wait, so I could get sued every time I make a star wars lightsaber crosshilt meme/'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'why hasn't 4chan been taken down then'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, actually I'll amend that to say "depends on the school project"...elementary and HS projects would qualify under the fair use laws almost unilaterally, although college projects can go beyond'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the majority of 4chan stuff qualifies under the rules of fair use, particularly the satirical nature'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they comply with removing stuff that is in violation when requested'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'under fair use laws it seems that most fanfic is meant to "stimulate creativity for the general public'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'more than "for private or persoanl profit"'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: '20'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'furthermore, there is little effect on the work's value'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'oops'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'how the bleep would you even profit from fanfic lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '50 shades of grey profited greatly from fanfic...'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'technically, 50 shades of gray was an original work'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'it was merely inspired by the fanfic of a different name that happened to be written by the same author'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you can tell because the names are chagned'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: '(nobody is fooled, but lady justice is blind)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody was trying to be fooled...she stated right out what it was and how it evolved'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and you'll notice that 50 shades of gray has not been sued for copyright'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'even though the author stated that it was derivatory and it is clearly for profit'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't need to sue when you're already covered'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'my point is, if 50 shades isn't sued, then fanfic can't be sued either'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if fanfic can be sued, then 50 shades would be beatne to death'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your point is incorrect'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's like saying there are no pedophiles because the one you knew about decided not to bad-touch.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just because they can, doesn't mean they will.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are more options than sued and not-sued...there's also made a deal'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'no, that's like saying that if the pedophile that goes around bad-touching young girls isn't jailed, then it's silly to jail the shifty looking guy merely driving around in a covered van'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'frankly there is little money to be made from suing fanfiction authors as they are mostly teenaged girls'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'maybe if you targeted the sites, but they would just take it down and you gain nothing'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'except hte hate of the community'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't get sued for violations when you've cleared the way for you to legally make it'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'at the end of the day, fanfic doesnt hurt anyone, so there's no reason to sue unless you're just being mean'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and nobody in big publishing business is ever mean, so you should be quite comfortable signing a paper to put your own house on the line to cover Lasher's butt :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I don't own a house, I live in my parent's. :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(and additional collateral if your house isn't worth enough :P)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'but seriously, I get why lasher is doing this'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: '(covering his ass)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'but.... I was talking about fanficf'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SantAard Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with wanting a mud with original work.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I was talking about fanfiction'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'unless there's fanfic on this mud too?!'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: '(ahem bard clan)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yes, most fans are fictional :>'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm a fan of this mud! does this mean I'm fictional?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your existence is highly suspect in my sphere of influence, and you haven't been too keen to prove otherwise...'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I have pix'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SantAard Anaristos: 'remember the rules about obscene material.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I don't know what you're talking about anaristos, I was merely going to post my facebook profile photo'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that you would even suspect me'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SantAard Anaristos: 'that's why I reminded you of the rules :>'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aimbot gasps at the implication that he is obscene
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do I know their really you, and how do I know that you're not the hot blonde in the forefront versus the beefy black milf in the background getting arrested (queen latifa reference)?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'that's it anaristos you've offended me once too many times, I'm calling an imm'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SantAard Anaristos points excitedly at Endless Broud!
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'hard to type in handcuffs, amigo'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remind me never to take an asian airline'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'okay, never take an asian airline'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks for that, much appreciated'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'anytime :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): BOOK(worm) JellyMonster looks at you and chants, "H! E! R! O!... IMWatching Abelinc is my Hero!!!"
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ur name is from an over rated movie. you demean yourself. u eat cheetos get grease all over they keyboard and ur cat wears a sweater'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all cats and dogs should wear clothes. nude animals are disgusting'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swiftly you jerk open your jacket, trying to get him to notice you.
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal has just projectile vomited all over your nice, clean armor!
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my dinner was herring and onions'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then animal cruelty rates would increase'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: '"see the way she dresses. she was asking for it" '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, someone else who sees no distinction between humans and other animals'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'many things make us different. but we are animals in the end'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after consuming 1000 fiction um.. items (novels,movies etc), do you think a person is saner/smarter/.. or more deluded/crazy/...?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'who knows '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i would say smarter '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and more insane '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i kinda agree..'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i am not quite sure what the definition of sanity is. it seems to have changed quite a bit'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i dont feel insaner after watching superman or batman, nor any smarter.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a bit more depressed'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sanity. the easiest to put it - what you think matches the real stuff. i guess. but there's no measurments for that'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why so serious?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why not put a smile on that face.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i find it relaxing to watch certain movies. batman (any)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think the unintelligent slighly crazy buffoons of the world probably find it inspiring.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'crazy stupid vs crazy smart'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well looks like the fourth amendment has been officially declared dead'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what does it say?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was the one about housing soldiers, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'right to reasonable search and seizure '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what happened that made you arrive at this comical conclusion?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if a police office unknowingly breaks the law the officer will not be held accountable'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, that's not specific enough.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'any evidence found whatever it may be can be used'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't see how that's a problem.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember when people got all hot and bothered because all those pedophiles were hiding out in the church and legally nobody could touch them because of confession privelege?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'here convicted pedophiles have their own church'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and you had better have id if a cop stops you when walking'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in America, you are actually required to have a valid id on you at all times.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thats not true'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'since when? never heard of that law'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'just like mother Russia'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why i dont leave my house at night. they always stop me '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not required to have ID'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not even required to OWN valid ID'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'makes no difference '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you cannot drive without it, but you can get by fine without holding a license depending on where you live'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ask all the people who complain they can't vote if they don't have one.  they do without an id.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'will have to wait until after the eighth cavity search to get my lawyer lols'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the id requirement to vote was struck down here'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yeah and in most states.  just pointing out some people don't have id.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the meantime, you are mailed a small card that states you can use it for voter identification purposes...'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well makes it easier for crooked cops to plant evidence'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and that you have about a dozen optional alternatives (driver, non-driver, military, etc)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no reasonable suspicion needed. wanna come to ny and see?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cops are legally able to run your plates just because.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have no problem in NY without ID :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'are you saying cops should have reasonable suspicion to plant evidence?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'u wouldn`t last here'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'u are obviously ignorant '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'says the one spewing crap with no backing :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'means they can search anyone anything at anyte'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'withou any reason at all'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not correct'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sure it is '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you might want to actually read about what the fourth amendment actually meant'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why it doesnt exist anyways'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure it does'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'is that the one that enables gay marriage?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You giggle in his presence.
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not anymore '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, it's the one that makes it a god-given right to shoot cops'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it exists the same today as it did a decade ago...'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what non existent '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I wonder if it is an unreasonable search and seizure to peg my boyfriend'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is that what enables legally-approved rape at airports in the USA'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm pretty sure the TSA has responded to my passive aggressive constant opt-outs by always pre-checking me now'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'supreme court ruled. cops wont be held accountable if they are ignorant they violated your rights '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'care to give the name of that case?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given the NY protests, I'm not too sure many people actually KNOW what they're rights are.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so in the USA, citizens are required to know the law, but not the cops and not the supreme court'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Marikk what case? does that mean that like if they are just walking down the road and accidently violate your rights, or does it mean if they are just stupid and won't read the rules they are supposed to follow then they don't have to follow them?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'bbasically'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really, that's why we have lawyers'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '... "the Court ruled that evidence obtained by police during a traffic stop that was not legally justified can be used to prosecute the person if police were reasonably mistaken that the person had violated the law."  does not seem as far reaching as the police can violate the law in ignorance, rather it seems to suggest a broad-minded definition of suspicion'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the use of lawyers: indirectly a heavy fine (unless extremely rich)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'well theres always the state ones... no telling hpw good they are tho'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that ruling stems from the general dislike that criminals get to run free on technicalities'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'heien vs state of north carolina'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so expect more '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the law has been like that for years.  if they search your house because they think you stole something they will arrest you if you killed people and stored the dead bodies in your house.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'hanslanda that seems to ascribe motive to the decision, instead of attempting to understand context and externalities.  It seems like an unreasonable burden to place on any one person to have book-perfect understanding of the law before permitting a search'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'expect more rulings that uphold the fourth amendment? OK :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Marikk on his head.
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'again, that's why you have lawyers.  The expectation is actually that the average Joe is as dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to the law, and that instead of suffering for his ignorance or taking on hardship in trying to cram their way to a suddenly better understanding he just hands it off to "his people" to take care of it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'look at the conviction rate. without money for a good lawyer ur screwed.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that seems to be quite a characterization of the decision.  I'm going to assume you read more words of headlines and punditry than you did the actual opinion or case.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot of people have a LOT of misconceptions about what is against the law and what actually isn't.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'next you will tell me how great public defenders are'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're much less screwed if you don't get yourself into the situation of needing them :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so no one innocent gets sent to jail'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'abelinc: yeahup, don't make the mistake of rolling poor, rural, or black'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they then operate on those misconceptions and usually get themselves into a lot more trouble, albeit most of it can probably be poo-pooed away by lawyers dickering with each other.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I grew up fitting 2 of those 3...'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now i see why u named urself after a blind guy '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've used a public defender once, my record's clean'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'rural?  I don't think thats relevant'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sample of one?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on a related note, did you know that nearly twice as many white people were shot down by cops last year than blacks?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'citation please'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't have one, it was a passing radio comment I didn't get to fully experience.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes citation please, I think you are right, but I can't find the data.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/21/michael-medved/talk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'We asked Medvedâs producers for the source of that claim and did not hear back before we published. Thanks to the good work by the team at fivethirtyeight.com, we know that there is no precise accounting of how many people the police kill. An unknown number of deaths go unreported because the coroner failed to note it or police departments categorize deaths in different ways, or some other data glitch got in the way.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'However, even the incomplete figures gathered by the government tell us that Medved could be partially correct and still ignore a huge piece of the picture. Yes, more whites than blacks die as a result of an encounter with police, but whites also represent a much bigger chunk of the total population. '
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '"lies, damned lies, and statistics"'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'given the figures at hand later, that twice as many whites die to legal intervention than blacks, but there are five times as many whites, it seems to suggest without a strong conclusion that blacks are disproportionately killed by police.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'could there be any other reasons?'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but how many of either are killed justifiably...'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how many are killed by their own "kind" vs others'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if the black deaths were 100% justifiable, then by the same metric it might be that many white people were unjustifiably not killed'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'their own kind?  I'd like to think I have more in common with Thurgood Marshall than I do with some caucasian living in a trailer park'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'not to disparage people living in trailer parks :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'blacks make up 40% of the prison population, so are assumed statitcs of only 33% of the killings by cops seems white people are shot disproportionaltely by the police.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they make up 40% of prison pop, but they probably don't make up 40% of the arrested pop'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'black culture insofar as I've experienced it seems to encourage more machismo and aggressive expression, even in situations where the subject acts more "white".  Maybe I'm just experiencing their undesireables, but I kinda doubt it since I see this in more than just the "angry black man" segment.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'as gay rights proliferate, the number of gay drug users and gay suicides is dropping per capita.  So odd that giving people a sense of equality leads to more "civil" behavior isn't it?  What I find the most ironic part of the process is that poor behavior on the part of oppressed minorities is often used to justify yet more oppression, like some sort of insane feedback loop.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sounds a lot like you're generalizing both parties to a really unfair degree.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the idea that more black people are incarcerated than white people is either proof of racism or proof for racism, depending on what you're preconceived notions are about the matter.  Correlation is not causation.'
T3/r7/2014-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'your*'
T3/r7/2014-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yummy, black incarcerated people'
T3/r7/2014-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are people from USA and UK involved with the treatment of Ebola in Africa so utterly retarded?'
T3/r7/2014-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they fly back from the infection zone and then find out they have it, and then have to work out if they've spread it'
T3/r7/2014-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't they quarantine them in a nice 5 star villa for 3 weeks prior to coming back'
T3/r7/2014-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. 200000 people killed in syria so far.'
T3/r7/2014-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Probably a better channel for this. Firearms in bars absolutely terrify me, and I CCW about 80% of the time.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stay out of bars then'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '200k dead in Syria, well done the west for supporting insurgents :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how the US administration would feel if China and/or Russia started provided political and physical support for militant left-wing black people in their fight against the establishment'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Russia is right wing these days  y n'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and omit the "left-wing"-label insult'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia is largely authoritarian mafia economy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'marxists are typically left wing, it's not an insult'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'mafia economies are usually right-wing'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can operate in any economy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I don't believe in using terms like left and right wnig.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Amazing how left- and right-wing are still considered derogatory these days.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor do i, but others use them and don't understand anything else'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Happy 2015!'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'an individual's political views are too complex to be summarized in a single word'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'two more hours to go iulia'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Well, not happy for you.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left/right isn't relevent to the question i posed, which was what would USA think if Russia or China was helping/provoking extreme members of the black community fighting the establishment in the USA trying to overthrow the government'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they would probably be angry at the relevant countries for stirring up hatred against the govt?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'but I don't think the ferguson protestors are going to come anywhere near overthrowing govt'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Which is a rhetorical question'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'We all know what happens when you take away a toy from a superpower.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts believes that throwing slurs insults epithests wins arguments'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'it IS the internet.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'epithets'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh well there you have it, aim'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pot, kettle'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'diatribes  '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should never have got involved in Syria'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '200k dead, win win'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the world is overpopulated'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'buy a knife'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a lot you can do about that'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'he could buy a knife'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's he going to do, mass murder?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the world is overpopulated...go kill yourself so that you're part of the solution rather than part of the problem :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you could also buy a notebook'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'ill get right  on that...can anyone sell me a knife? :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, suicide is illegal, so you can't do it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so..people who even consider that are (a) so altruistic that we need them alive or (b) so stupid that they should be weeded out of the gene pool? :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they can throw my corpse in prison if they want'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'You'd be surprised how many suicide attempts actually fail'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: '(intentionally or not)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'jump off a tall building, that never fails'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do it live on youtube, then others will copy you'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Terrible advice - broken bones are one of the most rare causes of death'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm talking about 30, 40 stories here'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty more useful things you can do if you don't value your life'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Penetrating brain injuries, on the other hand..'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about instead dedicating yourself to feeding the homeless? (Until you get arrested for it)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'arrested for feeding the homeless?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'soylent green'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'arrested?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Aimbot, it has happened'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'what crime'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some local ordinance preventing people feeding the homeless'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30012135'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'is an ordinance like that even legal?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '90yr old veteran at that'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'it is in the US :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can make anything legal, including murder'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'that's one guy that's not going to get reelected'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'murder, torture, spying, theft - all legal if it's the government doing it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yeah, 'self d'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yeah, 'self defense'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Well there's your lesson for the day, Tigernuts: join the government.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck the government'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: '^'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'why is it that nobody actually likes the government but they get re-elected year after year'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the world is full of retards'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Yes, we're all stupid'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roughly 83%, Iulia'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'There couldn't possibly be any other reason, really'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I think voltaire(iirc) observed that democracy was not the most effective form of government, but the most elegant: since the people get what they deserve'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with democracy other than the size'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'i can agree to that'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'large democracies are not representative'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'nah, democracies are flawed because the amount of population that are easily swayed outnumber people who actually care enough to learn'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a problem, but isn't the biggest problem'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Wasn't Voltaire the one who'd said (perhaps an older Voltaire) that he preferred to have a king who he could attempt to assassinate rather than the corner shop owners' votes?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as you could tell by imagiing a situation where that wasn't the case'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'sircanada, don't forget the percentage that always vote whatever their parents told them to vote, and the ones that are just idiots'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'but that said, I do'nt have a better solution'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would still be flawed'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA has, SirCanada'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'that falls into easily swayed :)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'couldn't you commit mass murder to assassinate the voters'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA's democracy could be fixed by pushing your power back down to State level'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially breaking up the States'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'usa could be vixed by having vetinari take over'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end the Union'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"stuck on labels" errors'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'which is why I strongly believe in benevolent dictatorship'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Hey, Aimbot is Voltaire'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'busted'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in the USA, some of the laws assed by the States seem more atrocious than laws passed by the Federal government'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the point though is it, Zela?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws passed by a state only affect people in that state, laws passed by the feds affect everyon'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a consensus of States is likely to pass better laws that an anarchy of States'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will never get a consensus'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a consensus of States is likely to pass better laws than an anarchy of States'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the whole thing, you won't get a consensus because different states have different demography, different outlooks, different ideologies'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in the USA, there is a consensus: the Federal government'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a consensus'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'd rather have the illuminati take over the USA'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'at least they would pass consistent laws'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consistent with what?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Isn't the federal government elected?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Constitution of the USA is a consensus'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'some believe they already have, aim'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the overall illuminati scheme'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is a consensus, and took how many years to pass?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then took less than 150 years to tear up'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'It was enforced, via force of arms..'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it hasn't been enforced for a long time now'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Oh give me a break'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'You could always move to another democratic country, if you even find one'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'why not move to like canada'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'or Constitutional, or whatever passes for freedom around your state'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I hear it's awesome'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's get this straight. Because you were under the apprehension that the constitution was enforced and now you realise it is not, your defence is not "Oh well, it's imperfect", your response is instead "well move!"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'I have made no such realisation'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the constitution is enforced but frequently amended'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'That was your opinion'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'iirc the current version of it is enforced'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was your reaction, if it was not, then clarify :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was the constitution last amended, Aimbot?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the 2nd, 4th, or 10th ammendment ammended?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I have no idea '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm not american'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i, that's no excuse :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'actually, people are generally not expected to memorize dates about the political situation of other countries'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I bet its nothing but a quick google search away '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a recent supreme court decision found that, if a policeman gives you an illegal order because he was ignorant of the law, you have to follow it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'context'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'so why aren't policeman saying "give me all your money" to people'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are, aimbot'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'shouldnt police be the most versed in law? and, if not, how would an officer go about provinv his ignorance?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Iulia buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'reaaaaaalllly'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look up "civil forfeiture program"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Actually, lawyers are supposed to be versed in law'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'The reason eludes me.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Separation of ...something.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'are you talking about separation of church and state?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'well, after lawyers ofc'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'that goes without saying'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything else you're burying your head in the sand over?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're coming for your bank account next, btw'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Enlightenment is here, and Tigernuts is her agent. :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws have been passed recently which means in the event of future bank failures, depositers will be the last in line, which inevitably means they will get nothing. IN addition, rather than receiving government money to bail out failing banks, depositers will take the hit'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loosely following a model used in Cyprus a couple of years back'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it doesn't really matter much, nobody has savings anymore anyway'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my generation won't have any pension either'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Greece, the far left (Nationalist Socialists?) are about to come to power'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts attempts to twist and distort the facts in an attempt to discomfort  and enrage the gullible'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'They won't..'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, Zela?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'yeah no'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'USA will be democratic for the forseeable futuer'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you'll have more luck arguing that in the future there is a possibility of such factions coming to power'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA has the same level of democratic accountability as the UK does - i.e. not much'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'but I wouldn't bank on it happening before google glass becomes commonplace'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'AND YET they remain democratic for.... hmm.... THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'its almost as though the country is founded on the basis of democracy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'North Korea is democratic - says so in the name of it's country'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and has a long history of enforcing democracy in other countries'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'unlike NK, USA does not rig elections'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NK doesn't rig elections, neither does Cuba'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts hinted at: recent laws passed (somewhere) so bank depoiters are effectivly unsecured creditors -- the lack of specific details is suspicious'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just don't have pluraility'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-11/house-passes-u-s-government-spending-bill-after-day-of-discord.html'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can go read it, Zealot'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'lets stay off the personal attacks'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an alternative rebuttal is:  when there is no plurality in elections, the elections are "a priori rigged"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the heck is plurality'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'it's a US concept. wikipedia can instruct you.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then by that argument, any electoral system where non-establishment parties are ostracized by the system is prior-rigged, Zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus, both UK and US (especially US) are rigged'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"plurality in elections" -- more than one candidate'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'st'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'that's actually not what it means'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our systems are flawed. Are they better than others? possibly? possibly not'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when there is only one candidate or only one party, no effective plurality'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'ah, and now we move into my specialty: singaporean politics'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh, a hateful place'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'singapore?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'no, the debate channel :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"plurality" is a fancy word to discombobulate the common man not so educated in linguistic deceit'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Whoadang! Iulia just threw an "oooh snap!" at Lackluster Lachdanan. 
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'pluarlity means "most votes wins" which seems fair to me'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'at least according to wikipedia'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're the only candidate, Aimbot, of course you'll get the most votes'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Singaporeans wouldn't know, really, Aimbot.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'oh, snap!'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'heh. PAP are expected to lose their dominance in the upcoming GE though'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Yeah, let's wait on that'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I don't want to seem like a punter but LHL's "checkmate" speech sounded really bad to the average singaporean especially with the screwups by govt '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"plurality" is something that is "plural" -- "majority of votes" is not exactly a plurality or not the only plurality'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'It'd be a nice step forward if they lost dominance, but the status quo in Singapore is very well entrenched in law & local economy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PAP looks like a nasty lot'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they aren't really cruel to us '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just generally, Singapore looks like it's run by a bunch of despots'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they just refuse to let us choose another leader'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'I wouldn't call them nasty, Singapore is one of the best places to live in'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd hate it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'singapore is cool in some ways'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'not so good in others'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Almost like any other place, huh? :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'It's really like living with your parents... they aren't excactly abusive of their power like NK, but they are arbitrarily restrictive and you can't choose a more liberal pair!'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'The United states is cool in some ways, and not in other ways too.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs. Singapore came 140 out of 167 countries in the 2005 Press Freedom Index'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"plurality" almost seems to be a post-modernism misnomer that overlays a word with an obscure and thus false or specifically-slanted meaning'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'd trade the freedom to kill people for the assurance that I won't be killed'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'freedom meanbs a lot but it isn't everything'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and our civil rights are legit'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'anti-homosexuality laws are being repealed, bigots are getting crushed, oppressive culture is being lifted'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the police are still scary guys though'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your civil rights, according to the blurb, are lacking - just you have an allegedly corruption free state, so what is the law at least is consistently applied'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I live in singapore and I find my civil rights to be decent'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'compared with the ones I would get in US'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Lived in both places, can confirm. At least, I never got beat up by police in Singapore. *whistle*'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I've gotten the ivar scared out of me by police in singapore'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Story time.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but some say (some Christian waving the Apocalypse) that God is going to crush and ruin the sexually-depraved societies'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'not much to say, they raided a lan shop, caught me wearing school uniform, gave me the evil eye'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'doesn't sound much but their reputation is.... nasty'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'like Sodom and Ghommorah?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they could easily haul me in on some random charge and lock me up '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be arrested for not flushing a toilet, posessing pornography, or selling chewing gum. Really?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Yes, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'tigernuts, those laws are not enforced'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'except the gum'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'gum is like hard drugs here'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're not enforced they should be repealed'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and now we proceed to law 377A'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'gum?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'illegal to sell gum'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some laws are meant to be kept in reserve'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what about it's use?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds absurdly authoritarian to me, add to which the high population density and nasty climate, then no thanks'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we have fearless commandos who smuggle in like 2 packets at a time through customs from malaysia though'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I prefer singaporean climate to the horrible dry european one'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'ontuct, to prevent littering'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ain't dry here ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I just visited spain and had my skin peel off'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'it sounds scary but the poliec mostly leave you alone'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they have a lot of stuff they could get you for but they usually leave you in peace if you aren't doing anything stupid or blatant'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the kind of system i'd want to live i'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you hawk a couple of packets of gum to your mates for ten bucks they won't care'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you set up a stall offering gum a policeman will tell you to close up shop and disappear scarpish'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: '$5 per pack?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you continue they will probably fine you'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I can freely have gum and dislike it.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if its good quality chewing gum and a big pack I wouldn't mind five bucsk for it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we all want what we can't have'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and personally I like gum'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't have?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just have it anyway, tell them to fuck off'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Yeah, you should try that.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'good way to get a trip to your local police station'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so burn it down'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'threatening a police officer'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I know because I know a guy who used to be in police.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'telling a police officer to fuck off isn't threatening'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lackluster Lachdanan raises an eyebrow at Tigernuts's weird actions.
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'Seriously, you sound like any mindless "anarchist" or "anti-government" drone'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'try it anywhere and you won't be well liked tiger'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'telling them you're going to cut their bladder open and rape their kids might be'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I know a guy who was interrogated for hacking library computers to let him borrow books faster at the automated check out'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'no joke'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'you crossed into criminal threatening'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'he moved to canada to dodge national service and lived happily ever after'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you do realize if I said that to a police officer I would get pinned down, handcuffed, brutally interrogated and fined/jailed/caned?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'so I'll pass on that thanks'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i wonder how long tigernuts would get on his world tour, going from country to country and telling police to "fuck off"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the censorship laws are annoying though'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't do it here, Lachdanan, better to play them for a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'He'd probably die around Greece/Turkey, or those parts'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you will not win any lawsuit against the police in singapore'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually i wouldn't go anywhere where they're going to arrest you for chewing gum'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'because the police are siamese twins with the government who controls the courts'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the thing that really pisses me off is the censorship'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'You would, Tigernuts, because up until now, you didn't even know that..'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you aren't allowed to criticize the government online or offline, circulate pornography '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to criticize your ultra-shitty hitler inspired Singaporean government?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'unless you want a defamation lawsuit right up your ass'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with your prime minister that looks like a paedophile?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'that statement would have gotten you fined in singapore'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'God save the Queen :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were better off as a colony'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'no joke mate, roy ngerng just got rekt for accusing the government of appropriating funds'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'he's persona non grata in any employment work and got fined a loooot of money'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that called taxation?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'nah, it was a CPF case'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'All these slurs are very rich, coming from a British subject'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'basically the government forces you to save money every year in a special account and leaks some of it to you when you grow old and retire'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and ngern said the govt was taking money from these accounts'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Aimbot, the difference between your system and the UK's is that in Singapore, you're forced to save into a retirement account. In the UK, the government just takes ALL of your savings then tries to pay out retirement out current taxation and wonders why it can't afford it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'see? we're not so bad after all'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'every country has its pros and cons :)_'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can tell a country is going down the tube when they abolish jury trials'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm willing to give up my right to talk trash to the police and sell gum if its means lower crime, good food and a community of sociable people'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about those that are not?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we never had jury trials btw, ours was always judge'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had jury trials until 1970'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'those are not spoken off'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, they don't want you knowing your law is based originally on English Common Law'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'trial-whose-name-must-not-be-spoken'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'plus we only gained independence in 1965 so it could be argued that they just never got around to banning them until 1970'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'which is plausible given the chaos of that period'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a nice place to live if you're rich and don't mind cities'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'where? singapore?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'yeah, the rich have it good here'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out, it did do better, by 2010 it was rated 136 out of 178 in the Press Freedom Index'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the lowest rated european country is Greece, at 99/170'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is 46'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware that the UN Declaration of Human Rights is utterly worthless?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why did Australia and USA vote against recognising Palestine as a state?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'probably because they don't think palestine should be recognized as a state'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess if it were sorted out, they'd have less excuse to profit from arms sale to Israel'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'there you go, you answered your own question'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound like a terribly ethical or egalitarian justification '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so much for championing freedom, democracy, and doing the right thing!'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'only a nutjob thinks any large for-profit organization is trul altruistic'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that does appear to include most americans :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'USA and australia are in it for the money and profit, just like most other people'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we should stay off the personal attacks'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's the personal attacks?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you just made an offensive generalization about americans'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote neocons in, you get that type of policy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'what's neocons'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is an entirely fair generalisation'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'i take offense to that statement! :P'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I maintain that it isn't fair to call most of a very large country nutjobs'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'but I guess if we were to disagree about this we could consult an imm '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a democracy, and the democracy voted for warmongering nutjobs :-)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we talked about WHY democracies fail earlier'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'they might be easily swayed, which makes them gullible not nutjobs'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'or perhaps ALL the candidates are warmongering as warmongering equals profit and most humans like profit'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i think your generalisation about people being idiots for what they believe is just as likely to be considered a personal attack, aimbot'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Aimbot supplied the general slur starting with "only a nutjob .." which indirectly targetted "most americans" (according to Tigernuts)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Neocons are those who advocate the "assertive" promotion of democracy and promotion of "American national interest" in international affairs including by means of military force'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the statement "for-profit organizations are purely altruistic" is blatantly false.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'in other words I was saying "nutjobs believe stupid things" and he said "americans are nutjobs who believe stupid things"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'unless you would like to argue about whether that statement was in fact blatantly counterfactual'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I mean, it's right in the name."for-profit"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you believe the USA is a democracy, Aimbot, then that statement holds'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i would like to argue that threatening imm action was not really a compelling argument'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so Aimbot and Tigernuts (in cahoots) did the "attack"  (which though is not a "personal attack")'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I wasn't threatening imm action'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'apologies if I came across that way'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I merely wished to save him from embaressment should an imm poke his/her head in and issue a warning for personal attacks'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I would also argue that calling people who believe stupid things nutjobs isn't really offensive as nobody thinks that he believes a stupid thing'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most western countries are just as bad, Aimbot, but USA is the worst'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'therefore it is not personally offensive'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts did not say "americans are nutjobs who believe stupid things" -- Aimbot did'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'tigernuts the USA is a democracy in the sense that its leaders are elected via voting'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'uhhh no zela'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I said "it is nutjobby to believe that a large for-profit organization will act purely altruistically'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and he generalized that to mean "all americans believe such"'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace "all" with "most" and you're about there'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'to be fair I'm sure there are european and asian nutjobs who believe that statement'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aimbot falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Aimbot was attempting to use Tigernuts as a dummy puppet  (ventriloquism)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'll just say that I did not intend to personally attack anyone, but merel'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'merely pointed out that it was foolish to believe certain things'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and now I have to go to bed. good night'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'night!'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'id like to argue that the us is a republic (theres a more specific term but cant recall it'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'as it certainly isnt a tru democracy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'true*'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US used to be a republic'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's now a corporatocracy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'hmm, id say its a mix of the two, leaning heavily towards corporatocracy though'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'what with theyre eligqble to all the rights as a person, top big to fail, etc'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'corporocracy'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'they aren't eligible to vote'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporatocracy doesn't have a governmental system of it's own, so it leeches upon the system currently there'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'not directly, no...'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the US system and the UK systems are different, but are both still corporatocracies'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'is it more advantageous to have the ability to choose your weaknesses or your strenths. '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i will say weaknesses '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Earlier this week, police in Sunderland, an English town relatively close to the border with Scotland, arrested a man after he sent out a bad taste joke on twitter making light of a tragic accident where a garbage truck ploughed into people on a sidewalk. Northumbria police arrested Ross Loraine on charges of 'malicious communication' under The Communications Act after he tweeted 'So a bin lorry has apparently driven in 100 people in Glasgow eh, probably the most trash its picked up in one day'.'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wow'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iulia: 'The Communications Act is what the UK deserves'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ironic'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he got black bagged so to speak'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, a British TV personality was reported to the police while speaking (filming) with a group of "fat activists" and diet bloggers for asking them why they were fat. The reporting person believed it was a hate crime'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'doesnt sound any better for.him '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'start of their witch hunt'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, Millionair Big Bang Theory actress Kaely Cuoco was receiving death threats and other abuse on Twitter after mentioning in an interview  that she cooks for her husband 5 nights a week, that it makes her feel like a housewife and she loves taking care of him'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'makes her a cheapskate '
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shanghai New Year crush kills 35, injures 42 more'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what high population density does for you'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(isn't CHinese new year supposed to be a different date?)'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government paid for 327,653 babies to be euthenised in 2014'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'euthanized? or are you talking aborted?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people really are dumb enough to need abortions, is it really right they should be paid for by tax payers?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'do you want to pay for the abortion or the support care and upkeep of an unwanted child?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'a $10 morning afterpill is a bargain'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'i make nachos'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, really, but there'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'what about adoption'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't we just pay $100 to sterelise them at age 12 and be done with it?'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'why not'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'adoption is good, but not getting pregnant is better'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'be come a magician and make it disappear'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'issue was making the public pay for it. If there was a fund that those so minded could pay into for it, or a charity, then great'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'they already sell sperm'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selling sperm isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'popping out 12 kids and making the public pay for them is the problem'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'open a sweat shop'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'orphanigise'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'like britian'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brits don't, it's those immigrants'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i find most hyopcritical is that the powers that be don't think people capable of having free speech, or the freedom to defend themselves, or to have communications or travel without being perpetually spied on, or to eat or drink or put into their bodies what they like without prior consent, and yet they allow people to breed to the point of bringing the world to the brink of destruction'
T3/r7/2014-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting that Republican Scalise is getting flack for addressing a KKK-meeting in 2002 when the KKK were created by the Democrats'