T3/r7/2015-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'less fornicating this season of got. good or bad?'
T3/r7/2015-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Icniuhtli Xochitl: 'good. Humans are overdoing it populationwise, and paradoxically refuting the very technological advances that they need to embrace in order to sustain the current growth trends.'
T3/r7/2015-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i really liked this chick in the jail there. i hope there will be some good ol' in&outing before the season ends.'
T3/r7/2015-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Icniuhtli Xochitl: 'oh... that. Never mind. Boring.... =p'
T3/r7/2015-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minnesota taxpayers have been robbed of $3m over 5 years to pay for "white privilege" training at schools'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shows you how hypocritical the pro-global warming crowd and their supporting countries and states are: Man in California prosecuted because his eco home was "off the grid"'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hey ruled that he had to be connected to mains services to not violate building codes'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and why did they rule that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because common sense went out of the window, they decided that their rules state that every house has to be connected to municipal utilities and that was that'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that is one possibility'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, do you know that, or this is just your inference?'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Communism!!!'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's what happened'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'another possibility is that there is a very good reason for the requirement, but you just haven't thought of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be surprised, it's from a part of the country where the government tries to assert ownership of rainwater, and the feds claim stewardship of puddles and ditches on your property'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's adherence to beurocratic rules irrespective of the specifics'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're a bit luckier here in that building codes are nationally set'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, they said if he connects up services and then doesn't use them, they'd be fine with that'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which proves it has nothing to do with what he's doing'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, was florida, not california'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same shit, different state'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, do the emergency services require them?'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, aside from the fact that the story you were so sure on has just jumped 1000 miles or so'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"nope" -- how do you know this?'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not reading it from a screen, Swalec, it was something I read the other night'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and am correcting myself as i now read it'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the owner had been living there for years, they only sent the code enforcers when they featured on a local news broadcast put out as a pro-environment piece'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while the city through complaints regarding water supply, electric, and sewage, the only thing that actually stuck was the water supply'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, I think you still need to find the motivation for the building codes, I mean, they are probably publish'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'published'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would imagine like most cities it was an old ordnance brought in to bring properties up to a minimum standard of living'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the sort of thing that could be enforced rurally'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrespective of the motivation, the prosecution was dumb'
T3/r7/2015-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bit like prosecuting people for being gay, or for attempting suicide'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Today is the 71st anniversary of the landings on the Normandy beaches. My sister is over there on vacation and was at Utah beach yesterday and Omaha today. She told me it raised the hair on her arms.'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'autocasting should stay illegal'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amantecatl Xochitl: 'I agree.'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I agree also'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'too many people have autocast and are suddenly t9 with 400k pups. it just completely plays the game for them'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now all you need to do is come up with a compelling *new* rationale for that stance :-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'just to play devil's advocate, how is autocast any different than, say, gaia's revenge?'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'how is charge different from moving and stacking an attack? one is legal one isn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a devil's advocate response to a devil's advocate post?'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'Carrying around an unabridged dictionary... to be an eliteist or as a self defense item?'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'so your argument is that "it is illegal, therefore it should be illegal"?  lovely'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'just gave you the scenario of a mud full of autocasters. everyone will be t9 with 400k pups in a week without even doing anything. too much power is given to autocasters'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): NSAard Abelinc promises that he won't be T9 this year
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'I don't see how autocasting will make one level any faster or any more'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'unless they're botting'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'so we have a solution. make botting illegal'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'in which case, they're doing much more illegal stuff than autocasting'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you are in a group, you would now not really have to pay any attention to the screen.'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'it already is, obv'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'oh it is? then I guess there's no reason to make autocasting illegal'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'I'm not following'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'malkar, that would be illegal eitehr way'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea being dragged and autocasting is botting imo'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'madcatz...mokg's entire thing here was sarcastic'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'is watching netflix and holding your finger down on your numpad legal? no'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's an autocaster'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'is that harder to do than autocasting? nope, not really'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets keep netflix out of this.'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'it's okay if netflix is illegal, as long as I can use mlb.tv and nba league pass while levelling.'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can...during the hours of 10pm and 2pm'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'botting is really simulating actual playing, so if it doesn't matter if it is a you entering the commands or your code entering the same commands, then all botting should be legal.'
T3/r7/2015-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'if you can code it in real-time, every fight, sure'
T3/r7/2015-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a slow news day, 2 of the 3 top stories are sports, and the 3rd is news that they're sending all of 125 more troops to Iraq for training'
T3/r7/2015-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Could it be that the arms industry actually wants the ISIS to keep fighting? '
T3/r7/2015-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Could it be that the arms industry actually wants the ISIS to keep fighting? Do bears shit in woods?'
T3/r7/2015-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'of course, good for business'
T3/r7/2015-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're pushing for all out conflict between west and Russia in Ukraine, too'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government came up with a new way of ripping off working people - they made it mandatory for them to join their employers contribution-based pension scheme. Just a shame that these schemes appear to be losing money'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Have to spend money somewhere'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make a lot of sense'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'If it's not getting stolen from you, what better thing do you have in mind for it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about trying to live?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those schemes are not losing money from the perspective of those "earning" siphoned off monies'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Tiger, you seem alive. You must be doing fine.'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they sort of are, Xyliz, pension schemes are the dumping ground for all the hedged risk'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm alive and afloat because i have a good relationship with my parents, Sonet'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'you are more than afloat. You are spending money on such frivolous things as an internet connection :p'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my internet connection is free'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some are making lots of money from those pension schemes - maybe not the employees'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the employees, not the fund managers, but the people that convince the fund managers to take their bad bets'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the city" in general'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Instead of sitting around on an online game on your free internet connection. Why don't you work a second job to make up for what the government will always steal from you?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not physically capable of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Sure you are, you have an internet connection. Make money online'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not supposed to be working 1 job, let alone 2'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Wait... Tigernuts depends on his fucking PARENTS? And spends all day hanging out on the internet telling people how they're the downfall of society? HA!'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i spend all day at work, XOchitl, it's just before 23:00 here'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'No, you are not supposed to work a physically demanding job, i assume, do something that doesn't require physical labor. Google online jobs, or remote jobs'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they ain't get a penny more out of me, ta'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Is this the debate channel or the ad hominem attack channel?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the ad hominem attack channel, Laek'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Laek, tiger is usually the one attacking people.'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Seemed that way. Thanks.'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lies, dear listeners'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Nuts started it when he accused me of being the downfall of society. ;)'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'I just like the friendly banter we all share here'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl nods at A macabre Sonet.
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what usually happens Laek is that people get offended if you don't agree with them, can't justify their point of view adequately, and resort to attacks or claiming you're racist (or similar)'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unique to this channel'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why "hey, the government found a new way of ripping people off with poorly performing pensions" was turned into "you're a sponge, get a second job"'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit like blaming rape victims for being raped'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Well, the thing about bigotry is, whether you like it or not, it DOES exist. And it's not an instant victory for the accused being called out on their douchebaggery when it's real.'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigotry doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone's a bigot or nobody is a bigot'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'It's nothing like that. You criticize society left and right, then depend on others for the very things the government aims to provide with the money you claim they steal. You're a hypocrite, and a lousy one at that.'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nice try, but based upon a number of fallacies'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you go, Laek, pretty good example'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Xochitl justifies government robbery of people's money at gunpoint (well, jailpoint) by insinuating it happens because I am a hypocrite for criticism'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'God you're incorigible. Going back to ignoring you, now.'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which implies they wouldn't be robbing everyone else if i didn't exist, which is not the soundest of arguments'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would it be easier if i skipped the interim and called you a twat?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a stinky minged knuckle dragger?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Oh Tiger, I do enjoy your rants'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so do I ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like how everyone is allowed to bitch about bankers and financial markets for screwing up the country except me. If I do it i'm a bigot'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'You are a very sensitive person, that is most likely the culprit'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sensitive but with a lot of hitpoints'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'She could have just said "yeah, that sounds like the kind of shit they pull" and that would have been the end of it :-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Are you still on about that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just checking you're still awake'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't set fire to the statement yet'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Hahaha. Isn't there some rule in imperium against being a whiny shithead on public channels?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, is there a rule against Bards taking people off ignore just to be rude and spread aids?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'what are you 13?'
T3/r7/2015-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she started it...'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Tiger you on?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'Lets talk about the American "system" for a bit'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Do people favour Gary Johnson or Jesse Ventura in the 2016 election?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dishevel: 'Lols'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Oh, you're one of those boring mainstream people who are voting Paul again, eh?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'American citizens prefer actors to be their politicians'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Maybe they should pick better looking actors!'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America would be better off voting animals to be their leaders'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'preferably more equal animals?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Four legs good, two legs bad.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skulduggery: 'whats the debate about'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly donkies'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Or elephants?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elephants do too much damage'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you want to talkabout, skulduggery?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twelve: 'NLP...'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NLP?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'rants'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twelve: 'Neuro Langustic Programing'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK banks have come up with a new way of ripping people off: They write to you saying they're going to automatically change your bank account to a different one with much lower interest rates and crappier terms, despite the fact that although they're deprecating the old one, there's an identical one being offered anew with the same terms'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '"No player wipes, ever" it says on the topmudsites.com about aard. Is that still true these days?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'pretty close'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't even know what that means. What's wiping?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Yes. Player wipe means nuing everyone for a fresh start, or nuking all inactive characters.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'good question. I was thinking it means removing inactive players. But maybe that's not what it means.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, ok. Thanks.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nods, makes sense'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'ahhh, a debate on whether ever means ever or if it means maybe not ever'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'we have archiving here, where players who are gone for a while are stored remotely, allowing the names to be reused, but still allowing for the character to be restored shoud they return.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Is stored remotely a fancy way of saying burned to a DVD?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Probably. You'd have to ask Lasher where he puts them. =p'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Lasher is the server owner?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'I was wondering where we're playing.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Aye. Server's in Florida. Hopefully in a watertight room.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Otherwise, global warming is gonna kill aardwolf sometime in the next hundred years or so.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'they're actually in texas'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'When did that happen?'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PIKACHU Mokg: 'shrug, help hardware says so'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'That might be worse than Florida nowadays. Droughts, floods, earthquakes.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Huh. Used to be Florida. My info is like 14 years old, though. I've been doingt this too long..'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'That was my next question, how old is Aard? I know some muds started in like 1990ish.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'December 98.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: '96.'
T3/r7/2015-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'It'll be 19 this year.'
T3/r7/2015-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming will kill the aardwolf servers? only possible if they raise tax on energy so high that Lasher can no longer afford them'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama-backed trade bill fails to pass the congress as his own party votes him down'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess the only thing that should be asked of the democrat congresspeople is: What took you so long - was the writing on the wall that small?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but was the Obama trade bill good or bad - in concept - in intended implementation '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU is scrabbling to fight off the Transatlantic version'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's being shoved down their throats by unelected bureaucrats'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any legislation that gives global corporations the ability to overturn laws and rulings of sovereign countries or sue them for loss of earnings due to legislation is a bad thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was so wrong about the Obama trade-bill, and if unelected bureaucrats are atempting to throat-shove the bill, to whom are those bureaucrats bootlicking'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just told you why it's bad, and the people doing the shoving are those in bed with the corporations that seek to gain the power'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can go see large excerpts of the bill of wikileaks'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'wikileaks? the hamster from southpark?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Barack Obama is attempting to feather a "golden parachute" with the big corporations, is Barack Obama a (closet) traitor to the Americans'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, that's a different wikileaks- you wouldn't get much content on the surface of a hamster unless you used novel encoding methods'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Barack Obama is a traitor isn't really news to anyone'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'pshh spys can print on the head of a pin.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Heard of microfish but not microhamster...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'because it worked so well!'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whst are the implications that (Tigernuts said) Barack Obama attempted to sponsor a bad trade-bill - is Tigernuts bad or is Barack Obama bad '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll just have to go with the online wikileaks version, not the south park one'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh, a little clarification, please. Obama is a traitor because...? You actually believe that he is an enemy of the USA and is actively working on behalf of a foreign power or group? Or you just intensely dislike his leadership'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'why bother? anyone who even remotely thinks the president of the US is a traitor is undoubtedly unable to be reasoned with.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I simply asked the question.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Tigernuts is telling the "unexpurgated truth", then Barack Obama is obviously a villain   (if P then Q == if not Q then not P)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a POTUS works counter to the best interests of the people of the USA, I consider that traitorous'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does that help?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a video primer if you can't be bothered to read: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAeiQn3oJZI'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laek: 'Which people? There are a lot of them.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'debate Ok, thanks. But then, working against the best interests of the people of the US is itself a matter of considerable debate.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and being a traitor is a matter of considerable debate also'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The snide comment wasn't called for, Tiger. I asked a question. That's all. How you managed to infer that I can't be bothered to read is your own issue.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i use "traitor" because "a bad president" isn't nearly strong enough - it only implies incompetence'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was aimed at Zade, Rhavage'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK-centric documentary on the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVs0aGCGEAk'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok. For my part, traitor implies -- well, no... it insists -- that the traitor be actively engaged in the intention harm of his country.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'intentional*'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rebuttal to Gigglefluff, using pre-1949 similar analogy:  "Yawohl, Heil to the Fuhrer! -- anyone who even remotely thinks the Fuhrer is a traitor is undoubtedly unable to be reasoned with!"'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'except obama hasnt started murdering jews.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about actively engaged in activity to benefit himself and a few select pet groups at the expense of the country?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'd need examples of that, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i said pre-1949 not post-1948'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TTIP/TPP are such, Obamacare is another'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gigglefluff buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. Well, many millions of people would call "Obamacare" (jesus but I hate that word) a godsend.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'since hitler died in 1945 im sure my answer is still valid...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might if they don't understand why it's a bad thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'granted many millions of people are 1% of the country ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'obamacare is not a bad thing.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's face it, while some people might have benefited, it was a law designed to create a captive market for insurance companies'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, 3+ million is 1%. There's about 20 million currently enrolled now, I think. Can't swear to the number, though.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even with it, the comparison of quality and availability of care vs cost compared to the rest of the world is god-awful'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're presuming that all of those currently enrolled believe that it's a good thing...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that is a HIGHLY incorrect assumption'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'a project that big takes years if not decades to play out'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't they, abe?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought Americans -loved- Obamacare, I thought it gave them cheaper medical insurance?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'who said anything about cheaper? it gives EVERYONE insurance....'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does that help?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't give anyone insurance'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'it gives everyone routes to it, abel. I'm trying not to overwhelm tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of people have been scared into the system through threat of the tax penalties'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nearly everyone already had routes to insurance'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'obamacare changed very little regarding that'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it hasn't made insurance cheaper, it's scared some into getting insurance who didn't want it, so how is this an improvement?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it did give a front-end interface'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'except pre-existing conditions which caused many people to not have routes to aquire insurance?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pre-existing conditions was one of the very few changes which was a benefit, but it didn't impact as many people as is claimed'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because corporate insurance already had that provision'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a tv (Travl channel #527) ?documentary? on "National Parks" in an episode on "Nazi Scientists", stated that the dna tests on the hitler bones was that of a female, and that Hitler lived pleasantly to an old age among nazi scientists in the USA funded by the USgovernment'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, gigglefluff, did medical insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies profits/stock go up or down after obamacare?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'there are far more variables involved in that, tigernuts. It is horribly misleading to try and correlate just those two.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'a new drug? a law suit? those affect stock prices too.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's just it, it was written by insurance companies for the benefit of insurance companies. Any benefit a small section of the public get is down to luck, not judgement'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to defend the UK against such crap in TTIP'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and horribly misleading to use "perversely twisted political correctness" to reject reasonable inferences'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have single payer government healthcare, it's among the most economically efficient healthcare systems on the planet'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and TTIP is trying to force it to be dismantled and privatised'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so you complain about how the us is doing it? '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if i were speaking FOR you, you would have done far better for the government to provide an alternative basic health insurance that worked how the wider insurance system was originally intended, and used that to replace your existing medicaid/medicare programs'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Zade, if that was directed at me I have no fucking clue what you're on about.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's not what Obama did, he instigated a system that pretended to be for the people, but was just creating a compulsory private market'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'tigernuts you do understand obama is not the congress, right?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not the congress, but he was the nominal leader of the party that had the majority in both houses at the time'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also said one set of things during his campaign and did 180 upon coming to power'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i can't help you. you just have such a lack of understanding regarding american politics that I'm not willing to catch you up to speed.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's code for "i don't agree with you and can't argue my corner"'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no. its code for you have no fucking clue about what youre talking about and i would rather pup.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do realise obamacare -passed- into law, don't you?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'yup! despite many attempts to repeal it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you also know that congress were not given adequate time to read it before they were asked to vote on it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Barack Obama (deliberately) incompetent and or a sinister pawn (huckleberry finn's "uncle Tom to the rich massahs") of the callous greedy rich'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'yet I had adequate time? c'mon just go study a little bit before you regurgitate someone else's thoughts.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a member of congress?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no. which means if a commoner like myself has time to aquire a copy AND read a bill a congressman should have had no issue with it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they disagree with you'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and large number of them are in the legal trade'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I call bullshit that you read it'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you read excerpts of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'of course they do. a large number of them also spent the time involved to try and repeal it 45+ times. '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I find it quite worrying that they would a) expect people to vote on things that haven't been given appropriate time to study, and b) that it is normal to put unrelated riders on bills'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts does present some valid inferences as to the complicity and incompetence of Barack Obama  (even though presented in a derogatory epithet-labelling bias against Barack Obama)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'nope, abel i spent 13 days reading the whole thing in my off time. and re-reading the parts i needed to.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you spent 13 days reading it, you didn't read the whole thing :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that's just an inflamitory statement for the sake of?? an attempt to start an arguement? I don't understand..'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for the sake of the truth'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if you just want to insult each other be more creative.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no insult, just bullshit'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'how do you even have remotely enough information to make that statement with even a modicum of legitimacy? You don't.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's playing the odds'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the odds are it's bullshit'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have all the info I need, which is the amount of data that you're claiming to have read'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's larger than the entire encyclopedia brittanica...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "dumbkoff" USamerican politicians vote on bills without reading those bills - and they got ready access to those bills, and if the politicians don't bother reading the bills they vote upon and "Oh No!" pass, then requesting that others read those bills before voicing an opinion --> Balderdash! Shenaningans!'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'it's only 11ish million words.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gigglefluff nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'well 11mill if you read ALL the legislation, just the law it self is like 5% of that '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the law is all of it, not 5%, that's kindof the point'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'like i said you dont know wtf youre talking about when it comes to US law. '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US law is derived from UK law, thanks'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'then you dont know anything about UK law either?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i follow it closely, just like i do US politics'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'then how are you so off base???'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have the base in my hand right here, and have the benefit of a much broader world view than you'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've had bullshit called on you, and without prejudice, i'd have to agree'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'redirection fail, answer my question. if you're such a student of us politics how are you so misguided?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polite ad hominems -- attacking the "educational" and "assiduous study" credentials of the opponents'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your question is based upon a false premise, i'm not misguided'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you go read up/watch up about TTIP, then you might understand why so many in Europe are against it'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'I am not debating Europe, never was.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TTIP - unknown acronym to the peanut gallery'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you won't get too far, since TTIP is a transatlanic trade treaty'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gigglefluff buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'trying to educate you is too much like work. '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Abe, is this just me?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Abe quit trying after he realized words arent hard to read...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters "reminiscent of Christians attempting to debate other religions using only the Christian Bible" 
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that was his reason'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters "reminiscent of ?Americans? attempting to debate International politics using only USamerican politics"
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'mmurrricccaaa f yaaaaa, debate over'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Veck!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Zade, which americans were trying to use just us politics to debate international politics?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you even got pwned by zade, now that's just harsh'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i almost feel guilty'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but i didn't.. i didnt say anything about international politicis..'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'it's like you have a retarded myna bird spouting a half reality.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that isn't going to help, is it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gigglefluff is now ignoring you.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ragequit?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gigglefluff, you are attempting to use your ?studious? background of USamerican politics to "lord over" and reject some possibly valid insights presented by (the UK-educated) Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Thought it could have been a Xochitl alt for a start, then noticed they were online too'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'educated? my my, i'm being buttered up tonight, folks'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another entry to the large hall of "who ignored" -- "Gigglefluff is now ignoring you." -- getting whois finger warinfo informations -- adding to offline testfile :) -- :D'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i might be losing it, but i'm pretty sure the only thing he/she/it brought was "i've read the bill", and that everything else was just insult'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, ice age blankness'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'wheres the rest of the tiger'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sold off for chinese medicine'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by a hedge fund'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'probably caused 911'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it say about society that one of the leaders of the NAACP is actually white has been pretending to be black for years'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'hes racially confused'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rachel Dolezal'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'people pretend all the time to be 1/8th indian'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but what does that say of a self-labeled ?black? criticising an obviously "black" president'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess in the current climate, and given her employment, it just particularly made me giggle'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'hah, that is pretty funny, looking at that photo on cnn'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fan of hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'shes just ahead of some local chapter'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet she's lovely, really'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those sort of people are'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'most likely just mentally ill'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, most people are these days, allegedly'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those white supremists on the old Jerry Springer shows looked as though they were "out in the sun too long"'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'why are her parents on CNN outing her.. they seem kinda butt hurt'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, she cut ties with them to maintain the pretence, and they didn't take kindly to it'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say i blame them'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Shawna Twain ?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'we need to start outting all the black people trying to be white now'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and start outing all the white people trying to be black'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'why is this crap news'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'i need to know what kim k is doing, not about some white lady pretending to be black'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever next? they'll be telling us what's actually going on in the world, like a fuck off massive huge oil processing plant fire in Ukraine'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe she underwent the same color changes as Michael Jackson'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the EU attempting to scupper a deal in Hungary to build a couple of new nuclear power stations'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Greece being very close to defaulting on their debt'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"scupper" - unknown british idiom'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or banking heads and leading economists discussing banning cash'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but no, you can have bruce jenner's fake tits, lebron james' johnson, or a white girl pretending to be black'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they are getting ready for the coming of The Beast, where no man may deal or trade except with the "mark of the beast" implanted in the right hand or the forehead'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if everything is electronic cash, those that control the electronics also control who or what may be rich or poor or suddenly destitute'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so learn to grovel, or you may be suddenly destitute'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'thats pretty much how it is now, you get paid to eat shit for a living'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that some minorities like lots of gold jewelry'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actual physical metallic gold is not electronic cash'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using "the mark of the beast" description doesn't help, it just regular people think you're a religious nut, at which point they become utterly insensitive to the fact that banks and government can then just steal your money and choose winners/losers in the marketplace'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using Apocalyptic phrases is very effective among the fundamentalist Christians, and those that yet attend Protesant churches each Sunday'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which isn't the vast majority here'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure about the Catholics though, they believe in the Pope and not the bible '
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bear in mind the argument the establishment will use "what's the problem, only criminals have anything to gain from continuing to use cash"'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those 1960s arguments don't work anymore -- there days, decent citizens require to be wary of the blatant greed and corruption of the: extreme rich, wall street, large corporation, politicians, POTUS, judiciary, jurisprudence, academics, the wannabe-rich deluded hopefuls, and other "useful idiots" of the greedy extreme rich'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the *actual* criminals these days are the corporations, politicians, academics, those depending on favors from the rich, almost anybody that desires to be rich or at least to continue unmolested by the greed of the afore-mentioned'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'http://www.sanders.senate.gov/top-10-corporate-tax-avoiders'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'you think people would be more pissed about that, and less worried about some pretend black lady or having to press one for english'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"into the apocalypse of death rushed the richest 1%"  [The charge of the Rich Brigade]'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'distractions, they require obfuscations and distractions !'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'the citizen's united ruling has really made politics not worth watching, since your poor you dont really matter, at least before i could pretend my vote counted'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even in the UK, they cut legal aid back so far that justice is something that you buy, not that you have a right to. They're even doing away with due process and the fundamentals of common law'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'since coroporations are people now, and they have the most money who do you think the politicians are loyal to..'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the David Cameron quotes upon winning the election were well covered in the US media'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, those tvsitcoms "Yes Minister: and "Yes Prime Minister" are educational'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fiction reflecting reality'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'i did like the photo of the other guy eating .. i cant remember his name but thats all i know about him'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ed Milliband'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'ya thats him, you can see how well focused our news is in the states'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'misdirections!'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, Americans are famous worldwide for being utterly clueless about the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'we just dont care enough about your part of the world'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's actually not a very fair stereotype'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think it stuck because of how noisy and interfering your governments tend to be in the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rick Mercer likes to quiz USamericans on their knowlede of other (non-US) countries'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'honestly think its all fucked, i rather get high and then worry if the world is ending, who cares, we are all dead in the long run'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the bright side, China is the dominant world power now'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can stop worrying about stuff now'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even Jay Leno likes to quiz USamericans on their knowledge'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'great, now if i can get them to send me some china white in the mail i'll be set'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing they're likely to send you, given your admission, is a mobile execution van'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'why do they need a van, they stop selling guns over there'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'It can be hard to focus on the real news when 99 percent of what we see is fluff and police BS.. when someting happens int he world we cover it briefly then utterly forget about it as soon as intrest drops'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd do well to watch foreign news channels, then'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'i get my news from the only source you can trust'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'jesus and fox news'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'daily show? :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'daily show doesn't count as a foreign news channel'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'nah, more john oliver fan daily show is good tho'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Veck: 'i know he got started on there but i like him more'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'john oliver is odd, never made it famous in the UK'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I prefer Charlie Brooker'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I preffer Charlie Brown'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'charlie charlie are you there?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't like Charlie Brown, it's racist'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'what cartoon wasnt that was made back in that era? Besides fuck you I can like what I want even if it is racist. :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad we exported James Corden to you? Fat and a wife beater, he should fit in'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I have no idea who that is'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'but im pretty sure every country has scumbags'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but are they informative s......s'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'here's one open to varied opinions, my 19yo daughter just announced she's getting married... not totally sure how i feel about it :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all depends on the guy, I'd say'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'i actually like him'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'he's 29 though... which i don't have a prob with'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): NSAard Abelinc married Eureka when she was 19
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I was 24'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'doesn't have a "career" job yet, but he is stable'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is he working toward career, and is he trying to ensure that she is working toward the same?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'they have lived together for a year now (which i always told her was a must)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'that's the thing... he keeps speaking about the military... but it doesnt look serious'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'and she just took a bank job which might cut into collage'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'time wise that is'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'we help her out with school money as much as we can'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'that crap is expensive :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'this is her first relattionship of any kind'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'He's talking about joining the military and he's almost 30?'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'she always had the boys hanging around in HS, but her face was always in the books'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't I know it...our first has her graduation party tomorrow, shipping off to a jesuit school in august'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'yea.. go figure huh'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Seems a bit late unless he's reenlisting...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'i figured if he was gonna do it.. it'd be a done deal'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'he's been in retail the whole time'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod xochitl, he was nearing the upper limits, but they raised the limits so he's got plenty of time (but BMT will be getting harder)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'sellin phones atm'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'he does well enough, basically supported her up until she started working at the bank'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'but that's also with our grocery shopping get togethers and the weekly washing machine trips :P they live in an apartment'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'she just decided to get her own cell phone plan with him, and auto insurance... so she's just now really learnig real world money'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'although i like the guy, im just thinking too early for her (god forbid i speak that outloud to her :P)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'That's most young couples these days.'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl's lips move in slow motion as she says, "L-A-A-A-G"
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'i know kids aint their parents and all that, but my first marraige(21 for me) lasted 7 years :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'got it right this time i think, 15 years now(was 32)'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd try to convince her to make it a long engagement...living together for a year was a good start, but yeah, they should start practicing really playing house all the way'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'she got that part right... aint planned for a year'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'so now they JUST moved to a condo(with washer/dryer), she's paying her own way(cell, insurance, etc)... we only help with school, that wont stop as long as she is in school either way'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'guess it's a wait and see til next year then'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'i dunno if im a bad parent or not, but she's always came to me about literally everything... I'm the one that said, "yea sure, sleep with him, better to know sooner or later if yall fit or not" :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'screw saving it for marraige'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in today's "just try marriage, you can always quit" society, that's the right way to go'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'just kinda figured he wouldnt be the ONLY one :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Well, if you're a bad parent for that, Kate and I are TERRIBLE moms...'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'i was always brought up that marriage is a one time thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'better or worse and all that should mean something'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then again, my in-laws shipped eureka off to collect with a suitcase filled with little alcohol bottles and condoms :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'college*'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'nice'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'her stepdad worked for TWE/TWA and had a shitload of the little bottles'
T3/r7/2015-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ozzy: 'bf(fiance?) or no, my daughter will still not remember vegas with me soon :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dallas Police HQ shootings shows that all of the media advertising the "lone gunman" meme are paying off as all the low-hanging fruit crazies come out of the woodwork and manage to achieve nothing'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'And if anyone knows low-hanging fruit crazies!...'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if anyone knows low-hanging fruit crazies, get in contact with MSNBC so they can promote them'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or maybe HBO can make a reality TV show to make some money out of them'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's normally what they do with the mentally ill'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only crazy person I know is you Tigernuts :O'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and you would do better on Fox than MSNBC'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd better qualify that with some reasoning'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think your debate record speaks for itself :)'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as...'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'rabid anti-government, rabid anti-immigration, rabid anti-liberal'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's crazy because...'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '......... I guess it depends on your definitions.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to someone who thinks MSNBC is full of crazies, fox seems normal, and vice versa'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what definition are you using'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i say that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no you just implied it'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally thing both are full of hacks'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it wasn't implied, you just assumed'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you say that crazies should be put in contact with MSNBC to get promoted, you imply that MSNBC employs crazies'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this is standard conversational implication'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i implied by that that MSNBC promotes crazies'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does also emply crazies, but it isn't alone - they all do, but MSNBC always tends to be the tip of the spear when promoting the cult of stupid'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as Fox is at the tip of the spear when promoting invading countries and blowing up brown people'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would argue that fox promotes the cult of stupid more than MSNBC does'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both promote their own cults of stupid'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that I can agree with'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on that basis, you'd best retract your craziness slur :-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sadly it looks like you wouldn't qualify for faux news'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'though most of your positions on debate sure would'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my positions on debate are usually self-consistent, which is far more than can be said many'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what is your position on minimum wage?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a perfect world it wouldn't be required. We don't live in a perfect world - it is required, and in the UK it needs to be significantly raised in order that the government can scrap paying corporations welfare just to subsidise the wage bill'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'applied to the US argument, probably best have it an issue for states, not the feds'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wow'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not what I expected'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so in a perfect world immigration barriers wouldn't be needed?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in, correct'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yup I retract the crazy comment'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, i'm not good words, so quite often my style of conveying information leads to people making rather grand assumptions on what my opinions on things are without actually knowing them'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so really we are just disagreeing about which policies are most important to address first.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what policies you're disagreeing with'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh and we disagree on externalities'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Oh no...'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'I turn on Aard and the first thing I see is a debate :('
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and its Tigernuts and Emm too'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we're not being rude to each other'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know you can type debate by itself on a line and turn it off right?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go back to sleep, you're clearly dreaming'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Well Tigernuts is the one I expected to see the most'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Not sure about you Emm'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'current UK minimum wage is $10.11 btw'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I'm not as famous, but we argue alot'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just so you have some frame of reference'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'is that on today's exchange ratE?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Borderlands 2 with all DLCs seperate is 100$'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'I say it is the Illuminati!'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, emm'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Damn Goverment...Imperial laws kill us Stormcloacks'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is $100 too much for you, Irya?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'For a game of shooting and grinding?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then a) don't buy it, b) wait 6 weeks for the price to half, or c) go get a bloody job you lazy scrounging git'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'If it had a good story...But the characters are the best s I can see why'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'To this day it is 100$'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Of course...Everyone should buy GOTY edition lol'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'A lot cheaper'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no no the government should subsidize his purchase'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(kidding) :)'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'ILLUMINATI I TELL YOU!'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'computer games are cheaper now than they were 30 years ago, you have little grounds for complaint'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'I SEE TRIANGLES EVERYWHERE!!!'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you apply for the post at MSNBC, Irya?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'THEY ARE UNDERCOVER ILLUMINATI TOO!!!'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I remember saving up from mowing lawns and baby sitting for weeks when I was a kid to get a new video game'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '60 bucks then, 60 bucks now'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'price hasn't changed really, but inflation and all that'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern games are produced like movies. games 30 years ago tended to be a much lower budget affair'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'some games are, but some games were then'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't think of any game from my youth that had more than half a dozen people on the team'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Ok did you guys took this seriously?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'Geez'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'some of the early nintendo games were pretty high budget'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irya: 'take*'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you griped about the cost of video games, Irya, we discussed the topic of the price of video games in a rational way'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ff1 had a pretty big team'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly i didn't take your rantings about the illuminati in a serious way because i disapprove of the way it infantalises the way powerful people screw over others via collusion'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and cost enough that square was going to go out of business if it didn't do well.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence the name'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and muds were free back then, and are free now.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was at the beginning of the start of the major consoles market, prior to that stuff was much smaller'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure atari and commodore etc'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from the early to mid 80s most stuff was either individual efforts or small teams of in-house developers. You'd have a designer, a coder, a graphics artist and a sound artist and that was it'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'pong was basically developed by one guy, as a training exercise'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one writer developed games whilst laid up in bed all summer with a back injury'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we have an exponential growth curve?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for games? no'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'can we expect games that cost billions to develop soon?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, it's market-limited'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the model is already changing to micro-purchase and indy-developed games'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and of course there are still solo and small group projects today'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only big games in production are large franchises'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats not entirely true, most of the big development companies have a few irons in the fire'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not ALL of those are sequels'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am desperately waiting on a release date for KH3 and FFXV'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'I didnt know they were working on a KH3'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for ps4 xbone'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://www.kingdomhearts.com/khiii/'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'If KH3 is anything like the previous ones It will be another hit!!'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's broadly true'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it looks largely the same'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'disney owns a lot more stuff now'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'who knows what will show up in it'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do find it funny that CNN news anchor called the attack on the Dallas police HQ as "courageous and brave"'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well it would take a lot of courage/bravery to attack a police headquarters I am thinking, also stupidity, but still bravery'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or just plain insanity i guess'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'they should have attacked the closest HEB..'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think it appropriate for a news station to describe the attack in those terms?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think it'd go down if Hitler had been praised as "brave and courageous" for gassing 6 million jews?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was Andrez Brevik "courageous and brave" for gunning down 80 people in Norway at a political camp for youths a couple of years back?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't bravery to attack unarmed people'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is bravery to attack highly armed police'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whether it is laudible is an entirely separate question'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there is no denying it takes guts'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'but where does it change from bravery to stupidity?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming the person is not just flat insane'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the folks staffing the front deks are probably not "highly armed police". If they're anything like our police stations, they were problable civilians'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh it is stupid as well'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the point being, it's decades since media has stuck to reporting news, every news station now "attaches" a view to a story in order to tell people how to think'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not clear who he was aiming at, but he didn't manage to actually injure anyone so clearly he wasn't all that good'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the current climate in the USA, calling a random attack on random people who may or may not be police, and may or may not be good ones, "courageous and brave" is unwise'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'I bet if John Stewart heard this He will have somthing to say about it on the daily show tonight'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like the reporting of that texas cop who restrained a black teenage girl in a swim suit being harassed to the point of quitting when he was there at the request of residents because the neighbourhood had been taken over by a bunch of scum'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the problem is we have attached moral approbation to terms like courage and bravery'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'bravery does not inherently equal laudible'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but in the US everyone assumes it does'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would it be unreasonable for them to just report the facts?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least clearly dilineate "news" from "anaylsis"'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well it would be financial suicide for them to'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'free market and all that'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they at least clearly delineated news and analysis, you wouldn't have anchors messing up like this, and then when Wolf Blitzer gets wheeled out of his cage and makes absurd statements you can at least know not to take it seriously'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'isnt their job as the 'news' to keep the citizens on the edge of their seat feeling like if they miss the 'news' they will die the next day?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are trying to blur the lines between news and advertisements tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why would they want to clarify the lines between news and opinion?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly, Mezzy, but when your entire society, including your government starts running on that basis, then you have a problem because you end up with a society that lurches around entirely based upon fear'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't care less, Emm, I don't watch these channels, i don't subscribe to these channels, i just get to see their stupider efforts'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'and its for that exact reason I will not watch the news daily... and if I do I have to go and verify everything political or not..     If they say its raining im gonna look outside'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure but that is what the market demands so of course they are going to supply it'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't really believe there is a 'market' anymore, they pretty much artificially create the market'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'Social Media as a whole is piped directly to almost everyone on the planet now..   If a frog farts in dallas and its newsworthy ill know about it here in birmingham within 20 mins'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats what advertising is all about'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'demand arbitrage'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only reasonable argument for demanding quality news is for broadcasters since they are using airwaves the government stole from property owners to make a cohesive broadcast system'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a world away from minimum wage, i guess'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but most of the real craziness is cable news'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'fox is sort of a quasi cable quasi broadcast system so its a special case I guess'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Fox is the only trustworthy news source.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'haha'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'empricially you are wrong.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'trololololo'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I make all my political decisions based on what fox tells me to do.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cable? what an antiquated notion'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why is it antiquated?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is the way that a majority of americans get their television service'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would that qualify it to be worse than any other method, such as satellite, or Internet?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'And their internet...    Unless you are in an area that gets Google Fiber'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not sure what you mean TN'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are there secret cable tv routers that inject hidden messages in all traffic that makes people who consume them more likely to bomb innocent brown people?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'broadcasters might have a duty to give us news (they did originally in the contracts that got them the bandwidth rights)'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'cable and internet "news" companies have no such obligation.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was a bind, then they wouldn't bother'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so given that they have no contractual obligation to publish news, why would that automatically make them any better or worse about broadcasting news without inherent bias or attaching reaction?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'uhm I was just saying we have no authority to demand that the news be done in a particular way except perhaps for the broadcast news agencies'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even thouse'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those*'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'are you familiar with how the bandwidth theft occurred in the US?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as far as I know it is the only time that the US nationalized an entire industry'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also the single largest case of unreimbursed eminent domain.'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the point is that the US government effectively stole the right to broadcast from private property owners'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and then granted it (initially for free) to various radio and later television stations'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but under the terms of the grants they were obligated to dedicate a certain amount of time to news and public interest broadcasting'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK approached it a different way'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't really answer the question, though'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ill admit I am not familiar with the UK system'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what question?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you were urging that news orginizations be required to report the news in an unbiased manner and distinguish it from analysis etc'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i asked why being cable would make a news program less likely to be unbiased or free from attached instructions of how to think'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I was just saying that the only place where there is any legitimate authority to do so is for broadcasters'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the correct answer is "cable is not more or less likely to provide unbiased news, or attach instructions of how to think"'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is less likely since it doesn't have to meet any broadcast standards'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not that broadcast standards mean anything these days really'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'other than there are 7 words you can't say and you can't show female breasts, or anyones butt or genitals'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same broadcasting standards apply, afaik, the best you can say is that public broadcasting requirements would ensure that they are less likely to broadcast anything that directly conflicts with the bias/agenda that the establishment wants to push'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which isn't the same thing as not being bias and not having an agenda'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be practically impossible for any authority to legislate to ensure unbiased media'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'broadcasting standards do not apply to cable because cable does not broadcast'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'cable is an opt in pay service'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'broadcasting is by definition free and invasive (not opt in)'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works differently here'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why can't Fox swear or show boobies?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'broadcast has a specific definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'fox has broadcast outlets here in the US'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how does this make it more likely to have biased news/agenda?'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'fox is wierd it is a hybrid of cable and broadcast stations'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in some markets (in the US) it is broadcast at a local fox tv station'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in some markets it is only available via cable'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'regardless any content that is broadcast anywhere has to follow the FCC rules'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course thats just the main fox channel, technically there are several cable only fox channels that can cuss and show boobies if they want to, so long as that content is not broadcast by any affiliates'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'most of the cable channels that don't show boobies do so because they don't want to, not because they aren't allowed to'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at least they aren't restricted from doing so by law'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'they should..   Just for the record...'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, and PBS are, for the most part, the only ones who cannot by law'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'TBS used to have broadcast outlets, but afaik they don't anymore'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FCC rules do not guarantee unbiased news or lack of agenda'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no they do not'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but as I said in the original contracts the broadcast orginizations agreed to dedicate a certain amount of time to news'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean anything'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so there is at least some justification for defining what news means for those orginizations'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is none for cable or internet "news" providers'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really a good argument :-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'be that as it may it is really the only argument for any sort of censorship that could possibly work in the US'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you were the one wanting to censor what news agencies could call news'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said it was impossible'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be nice in a perfect world to distinguish, but we don't live ina  perfect world'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the Bilderberg 2015 meeting is ending, and I guess the people of the EU should be happy about the 10s of millions of dollars spent drafting in 2000 police/army/special forces to protect the event'
T3/r7/2015-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is a stock market crash going to happen, or will the bubble deflate by it remaining stagnent over a much longer period?'
T3/r7/2015-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coming to a screen near you: Greek debt default and exit from the Euro'
T3/r7/2015-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other new,Texas Federal Reserve repatriates $1bn in gold bullion from New York to Dallas to make it "non-confiscatable"'
T3/r7/2015-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it belongs to the University of Texas Investment Management Co.'
T3/r7/2015-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where were you for the Tesco meat riots of 2015? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SLpucjrqzvE'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, didn't take long for Obama to jump on the tragic death of 9 black christians for his vapid political agenda'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but don't worry, Al Sharpton is being wheeled out of his cryogenic tube and defrosted as we speak'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i checked out charles brooker funny guy'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'al sharpton has his own show on msnbc, shit is terrible'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'eq'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's two elephants in the room that need to be addressed and Obama hasn't done them'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1. Black Poverty  - black gang culture and the war on drugs'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'how on earth does that relate to this?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2. Lack of mental health care and the overprescription of SSRi's'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all related'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'of course. you're one of those. they're the same vile, vapid arguments that have already been destroyed a billion times.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or have you been living in a media-free bubble?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'when a white dude commits an atrocity, it's always "mental health."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'when i smoke DMT i can see the real problem, the lizard people are controlling obama, they are his true masters'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'when black people get shot for stealing, it's always gang culture.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting a rational sane person does that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: mental illness is also spread by liar trolls'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'i'm saying people arent held to the same standards.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'right. right. go back to breitbart.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but neither can you take this incident in isolation'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Craigath is now ignoring you.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking hyprocrit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of more "mental health care" in the UK, they may incarcerate you, Tigernuts, and throw away the key'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I wish they would'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'er. mischan'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'american mental health is care is basically just jail/prison, they closed most of the pysch wards'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, same here'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current "politically correct" censorship in the UK is part of the UK version of "mental health care" '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got much more of these to look forward to, in both directions'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for as long as you fail to deal with poverty, inequality, and a society that locks up more people than any other country on the planet, and at the same time uses it's media and government machine to foster hatred between as many groups as it can'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same is happening in europe, just we don't have a ready made race-war bomb ready to go off, so it tends to be class war and war vs immigrants instead'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'UK childrens aid societies confiscating children from parents with Nazi beliefs -- UK mental health care -- and if the confiscated children are murdered by those where they were relocated --> another example of UK mental health care -  "the confiscated children were already contaminated" attitude of the UK childrens aid societies.  (disclaimer: this tirade is based upon on previous ?news? supplied by Tigernuts)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(gigo - garbage in garbage out)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, well that didn't take long "Dylann Storm Roof was reportedly taking the drug Suboxone, a narcotic used to treat opiate addiction, itself a habit-forming drug that has been connected with sudden outbursts of aggression."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you were that child, Zade'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'spreading lies and misinformation may indirectly cause mental illness among those inadequately prepared to recognise process and reject the lies aned misinformation'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that explains why the world is so fucked up'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you're going to be able to alter than any time soon. If it isn't your government doing it, it's your media doing it. If it isn't your media doing it, it's stupid and/or malevolent people doing it over social media'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't stand a chance'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Craigath (of Hook clan) is ignoring those with controversial opinions - is Craigath indicative of a "black apologist" or a "white supremist"  or both'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know her, but probably a social justice warrior wannabe'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK the news is about 3 muslim women taking their 9 kids to fight in syria'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'when will they understand it was all a mixup'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the general concensus from the liberal elite: we should have stopped them, the general concensus from the public: good, now stop them coming back'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to fight for which side in Syria'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ISIS'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was obviously a publicity stunt '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for who?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'various, depends, rhetorically: who seeks to gain from the publicity stunt'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isis, but it's almost irrelevent to us at that point'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and who actually gains from the publicity stunt'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody, really'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess isis does nominally'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's not really big shakes'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the media indirectly arranged the publicity stunt'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt it, though the media made a big deal of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, they shouldn't have'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been better to have a news blackout over it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe MI5 MI6'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "Sir Humphrey" (of Yes Prime Minister) seeking a media distraction'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's far more mundane than that, just the media making a big deal of it, and that in itself not being helpful'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should nobel prize winning scientist Tim Hunt have been hounded out of his job for his eccentric comments in an after dinner speech?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should you be fired for your opinions on externalities?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'First rule of debate channel - - there is a right answer.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he revealed a profound character flaw that precludes him from being an effective manager of people.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he isn't a manager of people'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you clearly have no idea how a laboratory works'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he was a PI of course he is a manager of people.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the "eccentric opinions" defensible '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not likely'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think he's worked in a laboratory for a decade or more'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what were the "eccentric opinions" -'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: ''Let me tell you about my trouble with girls  three things happen when they are in the lab  You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, they cry.''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Was the quote.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'context being an after-dinner speech at a conference of science journalists'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that was part of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems am accurate sentiment'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this Tim Hunt seems like a human'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd ever worked in a female-dominant work environment you'd know that it works in reverse, too. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is a completely falacious argument Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can tell you why you're wrong'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tim Hunt was talking about his personal experience'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am telling you about mine'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the horrid villainous censured and unjustly fired the victim - perhaps a wrongul dismissal lawsuit against those abominablr villains'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting we're both lying about our personal experiences, or are you just saying it's not typical of gender biased workplaces?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell accuses Tigernuts of being part of the patriarchy and posts it online.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Sacheverell!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quick! get in my face and tell me i'm a mysoginist white privelege arsehole!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because that won't reinforce the stereotype at all!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if i'm on the jury in a wrongful dismissal lawsuit, i'd award tens of millions punitive damages against those that fired anybody for those insightful comments'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd award $4.99'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay lets start with, even if it is true that similar attitudes are held by women in fields dominated by women, that does not offer any justification for the attitude in either case'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and (checks with the legal department first) in a just fit of irony, censure Emm  '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, and i didn't say it did.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Tigernuts: 'if you'd ever worked in a female-dominant work environment you'd know that it works in reverse, too. ''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, men are men, women are women, biology is what it is, these behaviours have some grounding in biological imperative and we don't live in a perfect world'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that quote by Tim Hunt was insightful and extremely accurate (as evidenced by some situations)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't, it was inadvisable and inappropriate for the audience, regardless of how true it was'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some females use "crying" as a ploy, as a viscious weapon'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in addition it is an example of a falicy of false equivalence'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Fallacy*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'anyway'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts may be somewhat right, there is a symbolic equivalence'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If many women hold this view in reverse as well, then it isn't part of the evil patriarchal mysoginist male conspiracy, and if many women hold this view, then all of those who hold this view deserve to be sacked too.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think everyone needs to get over it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sack Emm'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe force Emm to wear a sack'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a sack dress'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the western world seems to have adopted a victim culture, it's problably a direct result of the blame culture that Americans infected everyone with'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell politely asks Zade to check his privilege.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly that'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell is feeling oppressed.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unfortunately we don't have a recording of the entire speach'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the point is he was making a speech to a room full of scientists, including many of Korea's top female scientist.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'journalists, not necessarily scientists'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'failed scientists, maybe?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade conjectures whether that whole speech may be a literary "classic" 
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it was a confrence of science journalists'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there were both in attendence'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the confrence was "in honor of women in science"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i work with scientists, i'm glad i wasn't there'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is advocating speech censorship on the grounds that the truth may offend those pretending to be overly sensitive'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is advocating no roasting of the women of science'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay first of all exactly what proof do you offer that his comments were "the truth"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the pertinent rehash of a Voltaire quote? "I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that insightful quote is heartfelt by many young adult males'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'lets be clear here, I am not advocating for violating his first amendment rights, he of course has the right to speak his mind, and his employer has the right to fire him for it (although that isn't what happened).'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's his personal experience, that his comments are the truth is almost impossible to prove, however what you're probably implying is whether his experience is typical or an outlier'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and everyone who hears what he has said has the right to form opinions about him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and to speak their minds about what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps (humorouslty) an example of "a self-evident truth" from the perspective of males'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But should they be allowed to take their random opinion and fire somebody for it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he didn't say that his experience was that girls in labs cry when you criticize them'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he is a nobel scientist he should know how to say what he means'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He actually did say that.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he made a factual assertion'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Emm'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Savheverell, that depends - if your terms of employment consider such a thing a fireable offence, then yes. You could argue he brought his employer into disrepute, but that is rarely a fireable offence unless he has previous'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"Let me tell you the trouble with girls."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"and when you criticise them, they cry"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats not "speaking about his experience"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is making a factual claim'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Einstein, a nobel prise scientist used to get lost and not know how the get home'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought you said you didn't have a transcript?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He has had an experience of criticising women and having them cry.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't have a transcript but I have quotes'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there isn't a full transcript because no recording was made of the speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but he has given interviews since to clarify'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which of course leaves us unable to "prove" exactly what he said.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah and he confirmed that he meant what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't prove or disprove that such experiences were had'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm willing to bet that such experience, were they real, probably happened decades ago when there was a different culture'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"and when you criticise some girls, they often cry" is a factual truth statisically'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh I am certain that scientists and lab staff of both genders have cried when criticized'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'That's exactly what Tigernuts said.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but zade that isn't what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hence "and when you criticise them, they cry" is statistically enough a factual observation and truth'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'false generalization'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'anyway'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'How about the way all of the people are crying right now about being critised by Tim Hunt?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he said what he said, he has since confirmed that he was sorry he said it, but that he meant it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including defending his assertion that labs should be segregated by sex'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and he resigned'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'statistically true enough in enough situations to permit the quote to be not false'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'back that up with a study zade'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what percent of women scientists cry whenever they are criticized? I would guess it is an exceedingly small number'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what percentage of women scientists who have a crush on you cry when they are criticised?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a lot higher'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'show me a survey of male and female scientists that accounts for how many times they cry when criticized'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'personal experience indicates the truth of the quote -- a study" is not required -- and some girls "cry" at the drop of a cue - perhaps they went to "how to cry for personal advantage" school '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll leave you to argue it, some of us have to work for a living'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actresses learn how to "cry" on demand -- and so do lots of girls'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'argument from anecdote, yet another fallacy'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know you men seem to make a lot of fallacious arguments'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but back to my point'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is not "speech censorship" for people to get upset by what someone says'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nor is it "speech censorship" for them to respond by calling him a sexist pig'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if there was a confirmation, Tim Hunt confirmed the "sentiment" of what he said, though the "wording" was interspersed with lots of "contextual" "understoods" '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nor is it "speech censorship" for his employer to repudiate his statement and announce that he was not speaking for them and they don't agree with him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so I am not advocating for speech censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course you have the right to say idiotic things, and I have the right to think you are an idiot for saying them.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'being a nobel-prize scientist and being an expert wordsmith are different abilities'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'granted'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, you are advocating speech censorship (perhaps even where perfectly extensively worded prose is concerned)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are wrong zade'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you don't know what speech censorship means apparently'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless you mean self-censorship, in which case yes, I am always in favor of self censorship of speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Definition please. I've been struggling with coming up with what you believe it is, Emm.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Tim Hunt was supposed to use several speech-writers to provide that speech, and a legal department to vet that speech , but do they pay scientists enough to hire those expert speech-eriters and expensive lawyers'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so speech censorship would be officially examing and surpressing unacceptable speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no official has done anything of the sort in this case'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nor should they'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Alrighty... Here's an actual definition of censorship, coming up.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I just gave one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yes, but it wasn't speech censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It was book censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"the actions or practices of censors" - - Merriam Webster...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'then'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it was censorship in general hence the "etc."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm seems to be censoring adulterating restricting the definition of "censorship" (by using a grossly abridged mal-definition)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Censor: "a person who supervises conduct and morals" - - merriam webster'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If by calling him a sexist pig, they aren't 'supervising' his conduct and morals, then I struggle to come up with what problem you have with using the English language.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm <-- english second language perhaps, or maybe inadequately-educated USAmerican '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censorship is an official act'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't expressing an opionion about what someone else said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"to examine in order to suppress anything considered objectionable"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'What is their goal in firing him other than to suppress him?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he wasn't fired'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he resigned'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a lot of people these days seem to think that free speech means that you should never have any consequences for anything you say'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And he did that of his own free will.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Obviously.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or that censorship is anyone expressing a negative opinion about anything anyone else says.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'these are both ridiculous contentions'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Well, given that I copy pasted several definitions from a reputable dictionary that assert just that...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe there is some definition of the word censorship that does not invoke official (or supervisory) action'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even a welfare slob from the gutter may practice "speech censorship" -- (like when telling others to "shut up") '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Maybe I just pasted them.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that is not what we mean when we say censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Maybe I just pasted definitions not referring to official government censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censorship is inherently an official act'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it literally comes from the Roman positions of Censors'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell can't find them. Maybe they were censored.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Lemur comes from a Latin word that means "spirit of the dead". We do not use the word Lemur to refer to ghosts.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'local coilloquial censorship: "shut your opinions up or you get fired"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Word origins do not define words.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Nice comes from a Latin word meaning "ignorant".'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the full miram webster defintion is "a person who supervises conduct and morals: as a :  an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b :  an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so I don't know what you quoted but clearly it says official'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I quoted the second definition that you conveniently glanced over.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '2:  one of two magistrates of early Rome acting as census takers, assessors, and inspectors of morals and conduct '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'self-appointed officials'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell literally facepalms.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe we are looking at different definitions?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is trolling'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'serious?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you actually think that someone expressing their opinion about someone elses speech is censorship?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '>>>>>media outlets<<<<<'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate yes'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what media outlet suppressed his speech?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they REPORTED his speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He was forced to resign.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am perfectly okay admitting the fourth estate as an "official"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have some evidence of that Sacheverell?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is infering that unless a word-definition is in a dictionary available to her, then other nuances of the word are invalid - (a very illiterate ESL attitude used by self-appointed officious wannabe know-it-alls)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, you're right. He obviously just happened to decide he'd had enough of his word and wanted to stop conveniently at the exact moment that he was being annihilated by The Guardian.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'work*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a troll game of "duelling dictionaries"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It's even more fun when you debate people who refuse to use any definitions other than the Google dictionary one.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't care about dictionary definitons really'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"Okay google. Define censorship." - - "IT IS ONLY DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT REEEEEEEEEEEE'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censorship, if it is to mean something that is ethically or morally questionable, has to be being done by someone in authority'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if your defintion does not mean something like that then it isn't a useful definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a group of one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '>if your definition doesn't exactly match the one I like then it isn't valid'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'gg'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again show me the supression'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'You don't log?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again, you can choose to use a definition of censorship that would include me expressing my opinion about your idiocy, but if you do then the term loses its ethical connotation'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that support the "firing", are seeking to spread terror and and are thus spreading censhorship -- censorship through the spread of terror'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I see no supression and certainly no supression by anyone in power.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Ah, here is the suppression - - 'In an interview with the Observer published on Sunday, Hunt said he was effectively fired by University College London.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is an idiotic definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I have been hung to dry by academic institutes who have not even bothered to ask me for my side of affairs, he said. I have become toxic.''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again they aren't supressing his speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that those that advocate bad censorship are terrorists'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Again, here's me paraphrasing you: "Because your definition isn't a copy paste of the one I happen to prefer, your definition isn't valid."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even if we accept that they forced him to resign that isn't supression of speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He was removed from any sort of position where his speech can have any effect.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'really? so he cannot access the internet?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he cannot open his own newspaper?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I suppose you're really literal and the only way he can be suppressed is by physically cutting out his tongue or killing him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'How does opening a newspaper get your speech out?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it can be done by a court ordering him to stop talking'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or by the media refusing to print his speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or by the government imprisoning him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '"Mistar Hundt: U r an secsikst and we no r liek u pls no talk pls"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The media essentially has refused to print his speech. He has been given no chance to defend himself.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'except of course in the numerous interviews he has given since then'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He lost his job as a punishment for saying something somebody didn't like. That's called suppression.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if it is it isn't a supression that we should find morally offensive'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So you've retreated again to 'I don't like what he said.''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the terrorists and the supporters of those terrorists are stating that those stating opinions they disagree with are supposed to be "fired" and or censured'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: ''I don't like what he said so he should be fired for saying it.''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he was not fired because I do not like what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, but you're okay that he was fired because you don't like what he said.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he resigned (perhaps being given the choice of resigning and keeping his pension or being fired for cause and risk losing it)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no I am okay with him being fired because his employer didn't like what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it was a private employer'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'A university official admitted that.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. "and anybody similar that speaks in a similar maner, is to suffer a similar censure"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they have the right to fire someone they find offensive'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you think the government should stop them from firing him?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No. I think the media shouldn't have pushed the university to fire him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Because by the definition you refuse to admit is a real definition because you don't like it, that is public censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it isn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the Government is supposed to withhold all support to that censoring institution - perhaps "private" means no "state support"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Of course it is. His university wouldn't have sacked him if the media hadn't had its little public witch burning.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a public censorship instigated by a (vociferous) minority of "poliically-correct abominations"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and your contention that the female scientists and the media should not be allowed to express their opinions about his bigotry is not censorship?>'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Is Emm kill?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I spoke too soon.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry I had to read a story to my daughter'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just because you don't like what they said?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'your contention that it is a '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"minority" is laughable'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Free speech =/= Speech that essentially censors other speech.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'uhm'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'your definition defeats itself'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'orly'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the attitude of Emm is reminiscent of communism and the statement "There is free speech in Soviet Communism -- you may say anyhing you want .. once" (then the KGB comes calling to haul you off to the gulag in Siberia or a bodybag)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure, because you are attempting to censor speech that "essentially" censors other speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No. I'm censoring censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no zade that WOULD be the sort of censorship that is morally reprehensible'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the government of the UK had arrested him I would be up in arms about them violating his rights'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is seemingly a wannabe censoring "communist"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If censorship is okay -> I should be able to censor them. - - If censorship is not okay-> I should be able to say that they aren't allowed to censor him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again, I do not concede that expressing an opionin about what someone else said is censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But you said that I was censoring them,'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'sooo...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'more to the point I don't concede that it is in any way ethically undesirable'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So this debate just turned into 'Censorship is okay'.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes because you said that they should be prevented from stating their opinions'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'forget the word censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we cannot agree on a definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we stop using the word or we stop talking'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because we are not communicating'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The real definition includes your extremely inclusive definition, so really we can.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'your definition is the inclusive one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'mine is the exclusive one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless you are going to redefine those words too'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Was in the process of typing 'exclusive*''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm )
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'My definition includes your definition, so I'm saying that your definition is right, but not complete.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we really can't because when you say censorship you mean sometehing other than what I mean when I say censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we are not effectively communicating'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so lets be clear'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'here is my position'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he had an absolute unimpeachable free speech right to say what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he should not be able to be held criminally or civily liable for it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps dismantle topple and eliminate censoring Academic Institution (which fired Tim Hunt for free speech) '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps dismantle topple and eliminate censoring Academic Institution which in UnAmerican and traitor to the American sentiment of the "Freedom of Speech"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Tim Hunt isn't American, though.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'js'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is in no way a violation of his right to free speech for other people to express their opinion (or even assert as fact) that he is a bigot, a sexist, a chauvanist or whatever adjective you care to call it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tim Hunt is a scientist and not a bigot'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it was in no way a violation of his rights for the media to condemn him for saying what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he is both'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the two are not mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship - - Read the first sentence.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not discussing the definition of censorship anymore Sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am asserting my position without using the word'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tim Hunt is neither a bigot, nor a sexist, nor a chauvenist -- (at least not from a single speech)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it was in no way a violation of his right for his employer to "force him to resign" (assuming for the sake of argument they did).'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It was a violation of his rights to pressure his employer into sacking him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'They did. It was admitted by an official that if he didn't resign, he would be sacked.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'show me a right to be free from media opinion'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be accorded the honor of "sexist chauvenist bigot" takes a lot of work effort and perseverence'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is fine I agreed to assume that for the sake of the argument Sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He has no right to be free from media opinion. He has a right to be free from having the media force his employer to fire him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'your contention is that the media "forced" the university to fire him?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'inb4 'nope''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If the university simply decided to fire him right after he said it, he would have been sacked the night he said it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'universities regularly ignore that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course he wouldn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'administrations of major universities take weeks to decide these sorts of things'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Instead, the media reported on it and called on the university to can him, and then they did.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he wasn't even in country at the time'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the (disreputable terrorists in the) media are the censoring abominations'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It wasn't even on the table until after being reported on.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again the media has the right to express their opinion that the university should fire him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and lets be fair some media defended him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And until after the media called on him to be sacked.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'forbes for one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'calling on him to be fired does not force the university to fire him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'threatening to stop covering the university events could be considered forcing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It does if the media can force all money flow into the university to run dry.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but again employers regularly ignore media demands for employees termination'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and in a couple of weeks it would have all died down'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not likely'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the media doesn't control funding'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and funding decisions are made years in advance'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a few self-appointed individuals corrupting the media seeking to generate malicious news by villifying free speech and spreading intolerance and hatred  (among the Emms)a'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The media doesn't control funding but it can get people to stop funding.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so by the time new funding decisions needed to be made everyone would have forgotten about this (unless it was part of a pattern of bad behavior)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you've been corrupted Emm, your intolerance and hatred is obvious, you dislike free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I love the way zade paints everything he disagrees with as vile'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I love free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I just understand that free speech is not one sided'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and free speech does not mean consequence free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm loves (squelching) free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whose free speech have I squelched?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you say that jews shouldn't be scientists because they are all shifty layabouts'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I say I don't want to be friends with an antisemite like you'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have not in any way violated your free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'have I?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'have I supressed your speech?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'have I censored you?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, but if you call the guardian and tell them to yell about it until somebody sacks me, they did.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'your slanderous innuendo by putting inflammatory words in the mouths of others is despicable Emm'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even if I were to start a campaign to get everyone on the mud to stop being friends with you, I would not have violated your free speech rights'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not in the least, sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'boycotts are merely another form of speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by using that slander, Emm is likely a closet antisemite'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and counter boycotts are too'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if I am then I am one of those self hating jews'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(which definitely exist so it is possible)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'are you familiar with the indiana pizzaria story?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'reporter asks pizzaria owner whether she would cater a gay wedding if asked to'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'media gets up in arms about it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'people threaten violence against the pizzaria owner'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'pizza owner shuts down'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'conservative cristians fund pizzaria owner to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'did censorship occur?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'more importantly what acts were morally reprehensible'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'obviously the threats of violence were'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but were any of the others?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the people who cried out for a boycott were not violating anyones free speech rights'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including the mdia'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would argue in that particular case the (conservative) media outlet who asked the question and published the story with the express intent of inflaming the left probably behaved badly'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Call me Fitz" miniseries did a episode joke about the father intensely disliking selling cars to gays, so in a big conniption fhe discreetly begs another salesman to do the sale'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I would defend their right to do so as free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would also defend my right to boycott that publication'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe that conniving despicable reporter may attempt to take on the Roman Catholic Church'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'note that if the pizzaria owner actually DID refuse to serve a gay person (which never happened and she actually expressly said she had no problem serving them) I would say she did something morally reprehensbile'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because we (rightly in my opinion) have laws against discrimination'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'What are we even talking about at this point?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Oic the indiana pizza thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am trying to suss out the difference of opinion over what constitutes morally reprehensible behavior'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by using a different example'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your misguided belief that complaining about something/someone is somehow censorship :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I've been busy finding the original resolution : 'should nobel prize winning scientist Tim Hunt have been hounded out of his job for his eccentric comments in an after dinner speech?''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the academic instituion that force-ousted "Tim Hunt" discriminated against "Tim Hunt"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'on what grounds?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate is "Tim Hunt" a protected status?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'choosing not to continue employment is not discrimination'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they didn't fire him for being male, or christian, or white'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the academic institution that force-ousted "Tim Hunt" *discriminated* against "Tim Hunt" and violated his civil rights to free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I admittedly worded all sorts of things poorly. What I meant was to be put through the filter of the original resolution.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it can be Abelinc'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor is it censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it can be based in it...it is not in itself'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay ill accept that'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but it wasn't in this case'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless we are going to revise the definition of descrimination to the inclusive one that means making any decision'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and generally, choosing not to continue employment wouldn't be discrimination unless you just became management'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as the employment wouldn't have been there to begin with, if you were going to discriminate'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if they fired him for being a man, that would be a sign of discirimination yes?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Abelinc: My comments were to be filtered through the original resolution about whether it was 'right' to sack him, not necessarily through the whole 'It is destroying his right to free speech.''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if they fired all their male scientists that would certainly be discrimination'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"threatening to fire an employee unless the employee resigns" is a "coercion" almost similar to "fire the employee" - a coercive threatening extortion'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats fine zade, but we have already agreed to accept that he was fired or effectively fired'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for the sake of the argument, so why are you still arguing the point'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the question is whether that firing was morally reprehensible'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Also, we had to all leave the word censorship because Emm doesn't like definitions that don't match her expectations, so I had to word it differently, making it come out in a completely incorrect way.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'That was why it came out saying that free speech hates free speech. I apologise for any confusion.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you do think people should be allowed to call someone out for something they said?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Did you just switch sides?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Or did you forget a not?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no I am trying to figure out if you just switched sides'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'emm, they fired him for being a *male* chauvenist  - if a *female* voiced the same speech, that likely be okay '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'uhm no'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'point of fact, nobody's entitled to free speech, nor should they be'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if a female made the same speech in the same context I would say she deserved to be fired'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that one I don't agree with Abelinc'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelinc admits he supports censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'free speech is a cornerstone of American and British law'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for free speech meaning that you can say what you want without anyone else being able to do something about it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I was previously saying that it violated his rights, but that was only because you said we couldn't use the word censorship because you don't like any definition that doesn't meet your expectations. Moments ago I said that what I meant was that it wasn't violating his right but that it WAS censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah that was my whole point'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no Emm, speech free from government interference is...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you say something I don't like, I'm perfectly within my rights as your employer to fire you'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is what I mean when I say "free speech"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't violate his rights, because he doesn't have the right to say what he wants as a representative of the institution'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'simple as that'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and it is what Mill, and Paine, and Jefferson, and Washington, and Adams meant too'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Tim Hunt acting as representative of the institution or as a famous scientist'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was a representative of the institution'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he WAS a representitive of the institution'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'regardless of whether he was acting as one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no "acting as" involved'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'interestingly US Park Rangers have restrictions on what they are allowed to say in any public forum where they can be recognized as employees of the Ranger service'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'say something publicly, with your identity and affiliation known, and you are representing it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and this in no way violates their free speech rights'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of cases of teachers who have been fired for facebook posts'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and mcdonalds employees :)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Alrighty. Computer is kill. Back on phone. It was never doubted that the employer had rights to fire him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including one girl who got hired, tweeted, well I just accepted a horrible soul crushing job, and her boss responded with, you don't have to worry about the soul crushing job because you don't have it anymore'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then there's little left to discuss :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And my comment was simply a failed rewording of saying that it is still censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so what is your contention sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again if it is "censorship" it is not one that we should care about'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'DVD and BluRay movies put out a disclaimer before each movie "The opinions expressed by the following movie are not representative of" the companies distributing the movie - maybe famous speakers require to state something similar'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing wrong with censorship, given YOUR definition of the word'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It is still censorship in many definitions, and all definitions aside from the one Emm likes.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'censorship is a good thing, and is used in all walks of life every single day'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes zade and even when they do people can and have been fired for what they say in those interviews'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'discimination is censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Agreed that censorship can be right.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you disbelieve me, then walk up to your boss and tell him that you really want to fuck is daughter all night long'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But Emm's contention was that it isn't censorship in any 'real' definition.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ahh but Sacheverell this entire time I have been defending myself against the accusation of loving censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"murderous intolerance" is censorship - the dead are very silent'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's free to say what he wants...and they're free to act on what he said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and in that, it is not censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism is censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so I have been talking about the "sort of censorship" that has a negative moral connotation'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And it is still censorship, and as you said, it's a good thing and is used in all walks of life every single day.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'threat of dire repercussions is censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence why I tried to get us to stop talking about it in terms of censorship and to instead talk about it in terms of morally reprehensible behavior'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"self censorship" is a very important skill'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It is still not quite right to involve oneself in the business of a private institution.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is certainly not morally reprehensible (at least in general)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not correct in the least, sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Or to involve oneself and one's pack of ravenous twitter users in the business of a private institution.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so it is okay for him to say women shouldn't be allowed to work in the same lab as men'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that is the very essence of free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"morally reprehensible behavior" is debatable and encompasses a far greater aspersion than "censorship"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but it is not okay for women to say he should not be allowed to work in the same lab as women?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'They can say what they want, but they shouldn't involve themselves in the universities business.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure they should'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'define "involve themselves"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'university's*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the university has the right to ignore them...they chose not to'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do you mean "call for his resignation or sacking"?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Because if they didn't they would become target no. 1.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the politically-correct abominations use the accusation of "morally reprehensible behavior" to justify the atrocities of "censorship" "intolerance, "discrimination", ..., ..., "euthanisation"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'speculation Sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again media has called for firing tons of people'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'target of what?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and rarely do the companies capitulate'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And they would have to speculate that or risk it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade you are a bit insane you know that right'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Of the entirety of twitter and /r/feminism and tumblr and such.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what about them?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when I say "morally reprehensible behavior" I simply mean behavior that we should disapprove of'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'social media holds no power, except that which individuals choose to give...they can't do anything to the university, except as they're already involved with the university'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'They can say what they want but the university probably doesn't want bad publicity, so they had to or risk being publicly denounced by the entire feminist sphere of the internet.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is the free market at work Sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is actually critical to free markets working'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yes. And so the university was coerced.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'public discussion, word of mouth, etc.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't want bad publicity, don't continue to hire douchebags :-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Right. But they were still coerced in that respect.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'let me ask you this Sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everything is coersion'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when people found out that Nike was employing 7 year olds in inhumane conditions in third world nations and cried out for boycotts'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Them just saying 'this guy is bad -- the university shouldn't have hired him but they can do what they want because they are their own thing' isn't coersion.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and Nike decided to close those factories'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'did the people calling for the boycotts do something wrong?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'something "morally reprehensible"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade watches a lot of politically-incorrect movies -- movies are a great media for stating the politically incorrect - things most citizens are unable to say as a citizen are able to be stated and said in movies
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, because it isn't free speech. Coersion in free speech==censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Keeping kids in factories isn't free speech.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again it may be censorship by your definition, but it is not the sort of censorship that we should discourage'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'keeping douchebags in university positions isn't either ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, but saying what he said was.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'absolutely it was his free speech POLITICAL RIGHT'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no one has said it wasn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but his right was never violated'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not even a little bit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I have said that his rights weren't violated. I said that it is censorship regardless.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'were*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'or weren't*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'read weren't... misread my own comment'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm suffers from an inability to perceive the difference between "child slave labour" and "expressing an insightful controversial genuinely-experienced opinion"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I will concede that it is a kind of censorship (by your defintion), but not one that is in any way bad'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no zade Emm suffers from trying to employ logic with someone who doesn't understand logic'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "insightful"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'let me be clear, I even support your right to express your opinion that what he said was "insightful"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Zade is of the opinion that Hunt was right and stuff.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it wasn't, but that isn't the point'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Emm 'd like to censure "controversisal religious opinions" -- "bad religious practices" - there's a topic with sharp jagged edges'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and even if he was absolutely perfectly right'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the university still has the right to fire him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the media still has the right to demand that they do'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and they still are not behaving badly when they do so'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Right. They all have the rights to do whatever.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nor would you be behaving badly by saying people should not attend that university because it fired him for no good reason'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a university that cendures controversial opinions in no longer a "university" but a (cowardly) sham'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I was only in this because Emm repeatedly asserted that the media wasn't censoring him in any way.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you would be wrong, in my opinion, but not behaving badly'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again because I was using the original definition of censorship which includes a negative moral connotation'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not censoring him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are by his definition abe'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but that definition holds no meaning'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think his definition is useless'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but regardless'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even if they were "censoring" him by his definition, that is the sort of censorship that we should protect and encourage'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'By what authority do you assert that the definition holds no meaning?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because it is exactly that sort of censorship that is essential for free markets to function'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by the authority that it is an incredibly unhelpful definition of the word'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the Government may as revoke the Universities charter, confiscate the libraries and buildings, fire the intolerant (that fired Tim Hunt) and reconstitute a new University (using the confiscated materials) with the despicable censors'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'see zade that WOULD be a violation of peoples rights'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Unhelpful in what way? Unhelpful just because it means you aren't right?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.[1]'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Copypaste from wikipedia'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'his speech wasn't suppressed'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he freely gave his speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody told him to shut up'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a University is not a "truly private" organisation '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and would not be in keeping with classic liberal (or libertarian) (or really anything but facism) principles'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Are you betting me that I can't find a single instance of somebody saying that he should have shut up?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'somebody at the conference? yes, I'll take that bet'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'someone saying he should shut up is not censorship by any reasonable definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'me telling you to shut up is not censorship, FYI'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'someone saying if you don't shut up I will kill you is'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'There's an article I found on thedailymail that said 'He should shut up.''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, but that was what you said.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely. That article is correct.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming I have any remote possibility of carrying out my threat'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, that's not what I said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was (and still is) free to say whatever he likes'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'his speech was censured after the fact, and thus speeches similar to his were and are indirectly (under the threat of being) censored'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's not being prevented from doing so'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and THIS is why your definition of censorship is not useful Sacheverell'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he is not being censored'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: ''Abelinc: Nobody told him to shut up.' That isn't a copypaste, because my computer is kill and blowtorch sucks, but page up for it. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'correct. Nobody told him to shut up when he gave that speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'his speech wasn't censured, and can't be'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censure, and censor sound alike but they mean completly different things'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censure is punishment'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censor is supression of speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Censure is a noun and censor is a verb (although it can be a noun meaning someone who censors or commits censure)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you cannot punish speech because it is incapable of being acted on in that way'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'censure and censor are TWO different things'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'censure and censor are BOTH both a noun and a verb'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'censure: v 1: rebuke formally'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'censure: n 1: harsh criticism or disapproval'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'go read the first line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Hrmph. I have been wrong. RIP me'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the rebuke is censure'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"Not to be confused with Censer, Censor, or Sensor."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am certainly not claiming he wasn't censured'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'CLEARLY he was'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that is a good thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And the telling the university 'we will continue to cry and prove that he was right unless you fire him' is media censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming you agree that what he said was ill considered'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or worse'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It was.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to be blunt, though, the guy needed to be fired. He was at a public speaking engagement (which yes, is acting as a representative of the university given his position), at a scientific conference, and the speaking engagement was a session specifically ON women in science...and he felt that that would've been a good thing to say...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Obviously'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yes. I have no problem with him being fired but have a problem with the media interfering in a private institution's business.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now if he were doing an actual stand-up routine, sure, that could be considered to be a funny routine'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't interfere'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they did their job'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'In threatening a university?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'show me one article where the media expressed or implied that if he wasn't fired they would stop doing business with the university'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no threats'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and for the record, twitter isn't the media'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to be fair most of the "liberal" media condemned him too'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again doing their job'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No. It is a ridiculously reactionary website that follows the media.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twitter doesn't follow anything'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it is a messenging service'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twitter doesn't post anything'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the unwashed masses decried him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the people who use it may be reactionary, but twitter rarely expresses its own opinions'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'inb4 'twitter does nothing but the people on it do''
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as is their right'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that IS free speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and it is your right to think they are idiots, assholes, and reactionary'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and it is my right to think you are wrong.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I was referring to the reactionary part of twitter when I said twitter, the same as I refer to the reactionary part of tumblr when I said tumblr.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'When did I say they were assholes?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'When did I say they had no right to say that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you don't believe that people are allowed to express their opinions...but you believe that he is censored and shouldn't be :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you said they shouldn't have "interefered" with the "universities private business"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the closest thing to "interference" was merely people expressing their opinion'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I have been arguing simple semantics the entire time I've been here.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'see you have been trolling then'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I have been simply asserting that it is censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so who has behaved badly?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're censoring everyone on twitter'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by your definition of the word'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Tim Hunt has behaved badly, and it is still censorship to remove him from a position in which he can be heard.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Not that the censorship is bad.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you are trolling'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because the subject up for debate was should he have been hounded into resigning?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, unless you're redefining trolling.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to which my answer is an unreserved yes'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And then you said it wasn't censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are arguing semantics for the sake of arguing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'To which I replied yes it was.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'distracting from the point of the debate'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again, and I have said this about 10 times now, my definition of censorship in this context is "morally reprehensible censorship"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not offended that the Tim Hunt speech was given at scientific conference on "Women in Science"  - the truthful speech may seem to be inappropriate, but not to the extent of censure by dismissal.  (perhaps there is a potential successful profitable lawsuit against the university)
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there isn't zade'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not even a little bit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is the entire point of him resigning'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he gave up all possible rights to sue for wrongful termination by resigning'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not that I am a lawyer, especially not a british one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'barrister* ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'barrister is a type of lawyer Abelinc'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the firing of Tim Hunt gave that speech lots of broadcast, and lots of males are likely to agree with the sentiment of that speech - some may even say "Tim Hunt speaks the truth"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as are solicitors'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: ''Arguing for the sake of arguing is trolling' -- What the hell are you on here for then? Are you getting something out of this or are you also arguing for the sake of the argument?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several hundreds of lines of debate today - so very rare - debate channel is usually dead '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'That's because I've been trying to get a real definition of censorship out of Emm. But it's over now. rip.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a british university - not exactly "private" - must be indirectly funded by the government or the extremely rich '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have to go, see yall later'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'In all of my device switching I think I've missed something - - We've decided that it is okay to censor him (in the definition Wikipedia gives), not okay to censor him (in the definition Emm gives) but that he wasn't censored (in the definition Emm gives) and was (in the one Wikipedia and the internet give)?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'That's all I've been trying to deduce here.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't decide that he was censored by the definition that wikipedia gives...his speech wasn't suppressed, it was acted upon'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he is totally free to give that exact same speech to any other speaking engagement that someone deigns to give him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And if they cut out his tongue, then he would still be free to go give that speech on paper, so that wouldn't be censoring him either?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he could go on The Big Bang Theory and give that speech at Howard's PhD Commencement if he wants'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'After all, that's just acting upon it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody told him that he's not allowed to say it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's just not allowed to say it as a representative of the university (or the other dozen things that he's been thrown off)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'In the definition Wikipedia gives, it is specifically said 'media'. How could the media censor him in any other way?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unlike, say, "the 7 words" on television'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Was that a question or a continuation of 'the 7 words', and if the latter, what the hell is that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Found it - - never mind.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So how could the Media have censored him in any other way than this?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the media didn't censor him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'How could it have in any other way?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only way that the media could censor him would be for them to not carry his story'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If this isn't censorship, what would have been censorship?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those in the media were the abominations'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So you're saying he is the exact opposite of being censored.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not the exact opposite, merely not'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'You are saying that it would be censorship if they hadn't said that he did something wrong, when in reality that would be just agreeing with him, which would not be censorship at all.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I'm saying that it would be a form of censorship to not let him say his thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'You said that if the media hadn't come out and said he was a mysoginist pig, he would have been censored.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I didn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by "his story", I mean HIS story'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not the story about him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Which story'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: '?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he wasn't silenced by the media...he was in fact interviewed'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and in those interviews, he gave [presumably, I wasn't there] verbatim his speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which the media printed'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so they certainly didn't censor him...they didn't bleep anything out'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's censorship.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to produce news, the media did a (great) disservice to society inciting a (lynchmob) censure and thus censoring others from speaking in public (through the threat of similar censure) - (media instigated terrorism)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'He was carried by only a few news media companies at all, and in those he was only given the opportunity to say 'I dindu nuffin'. The ones that originally said he did something wrong never gave him a chance.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So was he censored by those others?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the bad guys are those abominations in the media, and the vociferous intolerant minorities (does Rush Limbaugh yet call them "feminazis" and supporters)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't read any where he said he dindu nuffin...I read a lot of "yeah, I was a dumbass, here's what I did, but I think they're going to far to lynch me"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell wishes everyone a good night, or just mistyped "note" again.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the news media when wrong prefers to avoid retractions apologies and a balanced representation'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the "hehe's what I did" contained his entire speech'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'here's*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and in that, his speech was not censored'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they *attempted* to censor him '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Or not nite. I'm saying that they gave him a line of an interview about 'I stand for what I said but I'm sorry' and only a couple networks carried him, and those were all the backwater righty ones that nobody reads anyway. The rest didn't, in which case he was censored by the original ones because they didn't carry him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they attempted to censure him'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they *attempted* to censor *him* and those similar to him, (by censuring him) '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't attempt to censor him, although the story is a good lesson that you should self-censor'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'All I could find for interviews were the washington examiner and 'oregonlive' whatever the hell that is.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you don't, censure may follow'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'theguardian had stories decrying as well as interview'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) he was fired or coerced to resign, he was censured. (not an "attempt" when there is success) '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Ah. Yes. I was specifically searching for the quotes he gave on the other ones.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but there's nothing to say that he approached any media outlets looking to tell his side...and it'd only be censorship if they agree to interview but then alter what they will print'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So you are saying that we can never know if he was censored or not.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Because we don't know who he approached.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I'm saying he was absolutely not censored regarding the conference'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter who he approached'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But he may have been censored in his apology afterward.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not obligated to carry'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be censorship if they muzzled him (perhaps by refusing to present his side of the story)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the censorship would only be if they carry but restrict what can be said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So you're saying that if they didn't post the entire interview and omitted a portion then it was censorship?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it might be'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they omitted a portion based on its objectionability...every interview has parts cut out for page size'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'all acts of editing are censorship by your definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I am not saying that. I was trying to clarify that point.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they refuse to print his story: NOT censorship, you're not entitled to any podium that you want'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they agree to print his story, but "meaningfully change the content", that is censorship'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if they refuse to print is story because they find it objectionable it is censorship by the inclusive definition'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Your inclusive definition was only by the govt.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So no.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But would be by Wikipedia's definition.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my exclusive definition was only by the governmetn'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'your inclusive definition was what I was talking about'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and actually not only the government, a non government actor can censor too, but they have to be in a position of power'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I'm so fucking tired. I have no clue how I just did that a second time.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'censorship comes in full and partial forms -- the media seems to be censoring him by mostly ignoring him except when slandering and libeling and maligning him, and the media is censoring the news (and truth) by not presenting a balanced representational view '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a school librarian who does not allow Huck Finn to be acquired by the library because of its treatment of the black-white relationship is censoring'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'regardless of whether it is a private or public school'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but you (trolls) are playing dictionary games'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they certainly haven't slandered him since that is something you do orally'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and they haven't liabled him because they have not printed a single thing that was untrue'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as far as we know anyway'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and truth is a 100% defense against liable'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'changing "black" or the n-word to "slave" in "Huckleberry Finn" is also censoring'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'libel*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry liability in libel :)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I really shouldn't get those two words confused considering I have graduated from law school, but I often type the wrong one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Admittedly, I was playing dictionary games because I was clusterfucking and forgetting that he was still carried by theguardian saying sorry, which I somehow missed in a bunch of really shitty googling.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like some people do with your and you're'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I have physically murdered people for that before.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I had just googled "tim hunt", and that was the second hit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'literally?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell keks. Nighty night, folks.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because if you are confessing to a crime we should probably notify the police'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Also, apologies. Pretend I'm a troll or something.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its okay Zade is definitely a troll'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I have certainly trolled debate here a time or two'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'This was all because of a massive oversight on my part.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'We didn't get down to the specific oversight until about ten minutes ago with Abelinc pointing out that theguardian did carry him, so he wasn't censored.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were overseeing his conduct review, I knew it!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not all of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade thinks Tim Hunt is the zion reborn and should be workeped'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'At first I thought Zade actually just went and said that.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'never debate and kill 300 base exp mobs at the same time'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am never getting to this remort'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sacheverell, you were not trolling with the dictionary.  Emm was trolling with a faulty dictionary, (and then also Abelinc) '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Hilariously I would probably have gotten to a remort by now if I hadn't somehow skipped over the The Guardian interview and decided to declare war on everybody on here.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(foghorn leghorn voice):  "i say, i say, get a bigger dictionary."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'can someone please hit zade with a dictonary?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Anyway, I really need sleep, because not sleeping leads to shit like this. Au revoir.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm waves happily.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell cries in shame and then finally goes.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so zade you still want to argue that Tim Hunt is the good guy victim here and the evil oppressive media elite and politically correct abominations have persecuted him for no good reason?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or are you done trolling now?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, you summarised the position adequately with "Tim Hunt is the good guy victim here and the evil oppressive media elite and politically correct abominations have persecuted him for no good reason."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah I thought I had your position nailed down pretty well'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I assume you take that position primarily to be a troll'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence my (false) dichotomy of do you still want to debate (this ludicrious position) or are you done trolling'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am able to take that position seriously (though anonomously)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is a false dichotomy because it is actually possible that you genuinely believe that position and aren't just doing it to troll.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or you could be trying to play devil's advocate for reasons other than trolling'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anonymity on the internet permits truth to be said'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it also permits people to behave rudely in many ways because they can get away with it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for instance a lot of cyber bulling can occur anonomously'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak" - Shakespeare'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tim Hunt uttered a truth'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no he uttered nonsense'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and regardless of its "truth value" it demeans women'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do you really think that the only 3 things that happens when women work in a lab is you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and if you criticize them they cry?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so scientific discoveries made by women are worthless?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"You can recognise a pioneer by the arrows in his back." - beverly rubik'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or is it your contention that they make no contributions to science?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you fail, Emm'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because I attempt to reason with you?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'afk for a bit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, what you said about women is ... is obviously trolling or insulting to women'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it was a serious question'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, unless "the only 3 things" was part of the quote, you are trolling '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Chemtrails.... Should we mock the people who believe in them, or get them to seek professional help?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'trolling while trawling for trolls and trolling'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'this is a serious discussion about the way we treat the mentally ill in my country...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Mock them. Professional help won't do anything for those people. They aren't mentally ill, they're actively choosing to embrace nonsense.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which country'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'People who believe in chemtrails aren't sick, they aren't suffering from involuntary delusions. They are people who give up on reason.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"chemtrials" or "chemtrails" - both not in cheap dictionary here'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'How many nations do you know of where the people are so convinced the government they elected is constantly out to get them that they invent something as foolish as jet engine exhaust being a government plot to fill the sky with particulate barium in an effort to kill the very citizens they're also rampantly taxxing in order to stay opperational??'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Barium a poisonous heavy metal '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It's not the result of mental illness, Xochitl. It's an unfortunate side effect of our national media. In America, the media has more power and revenue than almost any other nation. Media revenue and ratings are predicated on divisive and controversial content, so they incense the masses. As a result of our media influence, a lot of citizens who were firmly left or right have veered into extremism.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'and what do you think cause a nation to be so paranoid and distrustful of its own gov?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barium seems to be missing from the list of minerals on a MultiVitamin + Multimineral supplement'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I dont believ media to be the only factor although it is a strong one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'The extremism on the right side includes a lot of extreme libertarianism, a belief that the big government is evil and dangerous, which leads naturally to conspiracy theory.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'I would contend that the delusions of grandeur required to believe one is the victim of such a plot DO in fact constitute mental illness.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'There's more to the picture than just fox news, but media is a massive amount of the influence that causes this behavior.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Is it grandiose? Keep in mind that this is not an individual believing they are selectively targeted, but that their entire nation is under attack.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be more worried about contamination from depleted Uranium spewed about by warmongering nations '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Delusions of grandeur are typically exhibited by absurd ego, aren't they? This isn't someone believing that they alone are special and singled out, but that EVERYONE they know is a victim.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'and what about things like 911... justified paranoia or are these people sick as well?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'It is when they are convinced that THEY are the only ones who are somehow super smart enough to figure it out.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'What makes me think it can't be mental illness, Xochitl, is the staggering number of people who embrace it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the halflife on U238 with some U235 is some (2) billions of years - depleted U238 pollution is for keeps'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It is amazing how many people I meet who seem otherwise intelligent and capable yet eventually, I discover that they belief 9/11 was a government conspiracy, chemtrails are real, and that NASA never put a man in space, much less on the moon.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"2001-Sep-11 was a Bush family conspiracy" - is a reasonable conjecture'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Those same people fervently believe that Barack Obama is an ENEMY to the American people. I feel like any American citizen believing that someone who could make it so far as to be the president doesn't have a sincere appreciation (or love) for their people and country, must be a little nuts.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Presidents are flawed humans like anyone else, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a president who didn't give two shits about our country. The job description is patriotism.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Not to mention that he's still coming to take their guns and stick them in FEMA reeducation camps.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pollution is pollution - and some humans are very sensitive to pollution'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'I kinda wish that part were true...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some believe that pedigree is important in a Presidential character '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I dont believe in chemtrail. I dont believe obama is an enemy. I know we were lied to about 9-11 and I think that anyone who actually spends some time researching would know that we are being lied to.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'It seems like you think people that believe these things are the majority... I assure you they are not'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Some believe that being half black makes him a terrorist. Mostly, they're the same people who claim there's no such thing as racism in the modern era, and almost all of them say it's because they don't feel like he's got the right pedigree, or experience, or that he's a secret muslim, or he's been to mars....'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: do heavy metals in nanoscopic amounts affect human health'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy. I think it was an unfortunate thing that happened because some unpleasant people wanted to hurt our country, and that our government took advantage of the chaos to do some very shady things (Patriot Act, for one) and we are still dealing with most of those shady things. But I absolutely do not believe 9/11 was an inside job, Wars.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl is agreeing with that Viscount Droki person again...
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It was just some bad stuff that happened, and some corrupt individuals in power used the chaos after that event to do very bad things to our country.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'U235 and U238 in extremely small amounts is already causing increased birth defects in countries were depleted U238 shell munition casings were used'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'What was the fuel for the Fukashima reactor?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I know that is having negative effect on ocean wildlife for thousands of miles.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a depleted U238 encased shell explodes, a mist of U238+U235 covers the area'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: '9-11 was most certainly an inside job of some sort.. as to who was all involved I can only speculate. its not the first time they have thought of such things to raise support for military causes. But its almost starting to seem that you are on the opposited end of the spectrum as these crazys who believe in chemtrails. People that believe our gov would do no wrong have another kind of sickness entirely imo.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and who designed the Fukashima reactors'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and who recommended and selected the site for the Fukashima reactors'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'War, I'm not sure you read a single word I said besides "9/11 was not an inside job."'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'You just claimed that I believe our government would do no wrong.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and who pressured the Japanese to construct the Fukashima reactors'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Don't be that guy who calls everyone who disagrees with you in the slightest way an extremist. People won't like you if you behave like that.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I said it seems like you are on that side of the spectrum. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Yeah, you didn't read anything I said.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'The government does plenty of wrong. Nobody's saying it's an infallible entity, but there are plenty of idiots who spend so much time focussing on shit that's too absurd for consideration to see the very real wrongs they ACTUALLY commit.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Things like fucking the poor to coddle the wealthy, neglecting our infrastructure while buiding miltary vehicles nobody wants, and sticking our fingers in everyone else's pie when ours isn't even done baking.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Our government has done horrible, horrible things. The Patriot Act alone has probably resulted in more deaths than 9/11. I know for a fact that a pair of needless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have caused more death and destruction. But I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. I just think it was some bad shit that happened, and some bad people in our government took advantage of the post 9/11 chaos.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Patriot act murdered what was left of our rights thats for sure.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'and only 1 person in gov(that I know of) has been activly trying to block its continuation.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the USA government (and or the Israelis) they knew in advance and permitted 9-11 to happen, then that is also an "inside job" '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Inside job or not I guarantee we are being lied to about what happened'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'lbid'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'mis'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'You guarantee that? How? On what evidence? What authority?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I think it's silly to be so convinced 9/11 was planned by allies or the US Government, or was executed by them. It's just some bad stuff that happened. Terrorists do bad things all the time, all over the world, and it's impossible to stop terrorism.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Pearl Harbour" was allowed to happen, so that the USA populace may be persuaded to enter the war'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Have you researched it much? Because it really doesnt take long to start finding all the holes in the story'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Eventually something like 9/11 was bound to happen, because terrorists are unstoppable. I am willing to believe bad people were waiting for an event like that to take action on removing our rights, or starting oil wars, but I'm not willing to believe that 9/11 was planned by our own government. It's just silly.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'this is what I'm talking about. People who are so convinced that THEY have it all figured out, that the rest of the population is blind to what they alone can see. If that's not grandiose, I don't know what is.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: perhaps "2001-Sep-11" was allowed to happen, so that the USA populace may be persuaded to relinquish their rights and freedoms'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Researched it how? Watched Zeitgeist or something? Dude, it was a really unfortunate attack that killed a few thousand people. Why does it need to be an inside job for you to be happy? 9/11 wasn't ACTUALLY a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it's the way our government behaved in the aftermath that was notable.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'lol its funny watching 1 way conversations on debate'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'LOL zeitgeist really? No Ive done better research then that. It seems silly that you are so convinced that they were innocent in the matter and yet if what your looking at for research is zeitergeist? lol no lots nad lost of independent studies have been done. and much of it by highly educated minds'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Okay, dude.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Whats more of a threat to our freedoms. Someone who questions our gov or someone who believes they would never do something so wrong?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'None of the above. I'm not a threat to your freedom, and you're not a threat to mine. And I don't like the word freedom.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'There's also lots of independent research that says that trans fats are better for you than regular saturated fat....'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'and btw Im not a dude. Now I am begining to see the quality of the research you have done. No offense.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'There's independent research that says it's a good idea to buy a Ford.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the complacent attitude of Droki is a threat to the freedom of USamericans -- and Droki dislikes "freedom"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'We're supposed to trust your whois info with regards to your actual gneder? Where's Gigglefluff?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I agree '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Guy In Real Life!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'gender, even. I swear I can type.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'If every single member of the government is a corrupt enemy, the only possible way they maintain power is by keeping the government intact. If 9/11 was an inside job, or chemtrails were real, and it EVER leaked, there's anarchy in the streets and the entire government collapses. No one smart enough to sneak something like the Patriot Act past Americans is stupid enough to take that risk.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I don't need your research to use my own common sense. I don't like the word freedom because it's devolved into a cliche term used by conservative extremists and liberal pundits alike. It has lost meaning.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'who said every single member of gov was the enemy. Why is it always all or nothing?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'And I'm neither complacent, nor your enemy. I just disagree with you. Calling me the enemy is placing yourself firmly in a camp of extremism.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I dont need to read a math book to know math I just know it because i am right so my math must be correct.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I'm a citizen with my own beliefs who makes my own choices, based upon the education and environment I was provided throughout my life. I vote for what I think will make myself and the majority of my fellow citizens as happy and healthy as possible. Calling me a threat to your freedom is preposterous.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Droki almost sounds like a male Emm when exaggerating'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'You're so desperately clinging to your own identity as a universally correct individual that you've abolished logic and reason in the name of extremism and conspiracy. I feel like I'm the only one in this conversation living life with any semblance of happiness. It sounds like you live in fear and anger. Why do you do that to yourself?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I dont need to research 9-11 to know that our gov didnt do it. <---- I have a hard time validating your beliefs when this seems to be your general attitude.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"freedom" is yet a valid word, (even if maligned and abused)  '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I dont lie in fear or anger tyvm'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'live'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It's not that I don't need to research 9/11, it's that I opened a bunch of books and came to a different conclusion from you.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'ok how many steel structures have collapsed due to fire dmg? if youve done your research this is an easy one'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It's unhealthy to believe that your path is the only one that could ever be correct. I think your conclusion is very silly, but I'm not cemented into mine with no ability to change, I just haven't seen any evidence that would sway me.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'How many skyscrapers have been hit by planes travelling a couple hundred mph? Dude, there are no comparisons.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'due to both fire and structural damage? plenty'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'And you're not a structural engineer.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: '*facepalm*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Crash an airliner into the Burj Khalifa. If it doesn't fall down, we can talk about this.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"see no evil, hear no evil, but speaks an attitude that is blind and deaf and permits evil"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'are we on to 911 conspiricay theories?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'you know they took into account airplanes hitting the structures when they built the thing right?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'and why did the third building fall?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Nobody builds anything besides maybe military bunkers while predicting that a 737 will slam into it at 200 mph.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because it had a couple hundred tons falling onto it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'ummm even the smallest bit of research would have told you that yes when they built these huge builds they took into account a possible air collision'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Even if that IS the case (prove it, by the way) structural engineering has obviously NEVER proven to be deficient in any way, ever.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'No. No one has ever taken into account that a 737 would slam into their skyscraper while building it. Ever.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'That's easily the most nonsensical thing you've said in this entire conversation.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'now this is whats sad. turning a blind eye to any kind of evidence because you wouldnt want it to change your view on the matter'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Keep in mind, being hit by a cessna and being hit by a 737 are two extremely different things.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evidence?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I'm not turning a blind eye, the evidence doesn't exist.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'google oepration northwood, it was Robert McNamara plan back in the day for building support against cuba'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and guess who was sectary of defense during 911'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'There are no skyscrapers designed to handle the impact of a speeding 737. It's not a thing.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Some girl on the interwebs said so, so that's pretty much the gold standard for evidence.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'he came up with a plan to blow up passengers jets and to blame it on cuba'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Airplane impact tests conducted by WTC structural engineers during the design of the Twin Towers used the Boeing 707, which was one of the largest passenger jets in the world at the time. The results of the test, carried out early in 1964, calculated that the towers would handle the impact of a 707 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing.... so your right they didn account for a 737 they only accounted for the largest plane at the time'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Dude, you are ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Do you know how fast 600 mph is?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Whoever you copy pasted that from clearly didn't.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'yes and I believ they intended fake college students to be the victems if I remember correctly Veck'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the thing was on giagantic kinetic missle'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not state reversed opinions as a form of sarcasm -- those opinions are more likely to be interpreted as your actual opinion'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Wars, there was never a 707 built that had enough power to hit 600 mph in a controlled dive, much less and aim it into a building.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'that was one site... you dont think that when they built a huge ass building they took into consideration a plame might hit it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i watched that pseudo documentary 911 loose change, it is total bullshit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'There is zero chance a structural engineer designed a building to handle the impact of a 600 mph 707. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if the mobsters were involved in construction of skyscrapers, the skyscraper was likely built with substandard materials'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i still dont put it past robert mcnarma to be alright with setting up a plot to to fly planes into the trade towers to build support for a war to put money into the pockets of halliburton and kbr (dick cheney) was ceo of haliburton'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'loose change was made by a bunch of kids basically. there is much better resources for information out there'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'True. There were plenty of documentaries made but grown idiots.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'by. Fuck, I cannot type today.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Neither can I. I dont think I have fully woken up from my nap.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the fact that we invaded iraq when we knew for a fact that it was saudi arabs who did it was always odd, and also the fact that dick cheney went to the CIA to manufacture evidence to invade iraq, is really fucking odd... dick cheney was the only person from any administration in office that step foot in CIA headquarters and worked with CIA analyst to find eveidence.. the whole just stinks'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'that whole administration was fucked'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'bush's war series by PBS was a real eye opener'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I havent seen that one. Ill have to check it out'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'it will make you rage pretty hard watching it..'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'No doubt. Its its pbs it shouldnt be to hard to find'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you can watch it online for free at there site'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'if its*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i dont like to trust many news outlets anymore but Frontline has always seem unbiased to me'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'thanks Ill bookmark it and watchit after my movie'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'ya you might have to find a torrent for it, not sure if the whole version is on there..its been like 5 years'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'dont we have another bush pushing for presidency currently?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Yeah, but that discussion belongs on the jokes board.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'Jeb my former governor, the guy is a complete tool bag'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'He was hard on drugs and DUI's etc.. until his daughter got caught. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'lol If it comes down to a bush and a clinton im fucking moving I swear lol.. and yea Xoch it is a joke almost as funny as trump'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'What Xochitl said. Jeb Bush is never being elected president, he's just wasting money by campaigning for a while until someone tells him to concede and stop wasting their money.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'theres like 14 or 20 running for the primary right now'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I don't know why he's doing that, but it's unmistakable. He won't get the nomination.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'yea Im not even going to give it much attention untill it narrows own a bit'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'I'm glad he's in the primary, though, BECAUSE he's stealing thunder from the others on the right. The last thing we need is more power in the hands of the conservative nutjobs.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'down*'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'just came out against gay marriage..thats not going to help him, even if he won the primary he just flip flop on it and said he didnt mean to say that... in the primary elections they have to pander to there base which is extreme right'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i hate poliicians nobody really says what they really feel, they will say anything to win and when they get into office they will do whatever the fuck the want'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I know a lot of people think he is a nutjob but I really like Rand Paul'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I like him a lot more then his father'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'That's even more insane than your 9/11 theories...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'bottom line it wont matter who wins my life will still suck either way'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Why will your life suck?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Nobody ACTUALLY likes Rand Paul. He's completely off his fucking rocker.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'rand paul is already flipping on his positions about military funding'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'That idiot thinks that economies are the same thing as really big bank accounts.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'he will pander to the right, the come back more center if he actually wins the primary like all of them do'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'he was standing out front of a carrier or some crap talking about increasing military funding.. something his father would be caught dead doing'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'woudlnt'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Does it make you feel better about your own beliefs when you tell others whos differ that they are insane? "I can see your true coolors shining on through..."(plays in the background)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'There is no center any more. Even the "left wing" isn't left as it should be, because they keep pandering to the right in the interest of false fairness.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'The whole of western civilization is learning to the right. Have you seen UK politics? Jesus.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'No. Does it make you feel like you win because I think you're a totall nutter? Because that's not how real life works.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we have one master (coorporations/lobbist) and two hands left (dem's) and right (republicans) its still the same shitty person no matter who you pick'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'I can think everyone's wrong and say so, and still be correct. You don't suddenly become correct because I said your insane viewpoint is insane.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'he is also 100% sure obama is a traitor.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Your right no one should believ diff then you Xoxh. If they do they must be crazy and wrong. Your absolutely the only person who has any legitimate thoughts. Must be nice having the world revolve around you. Ill never know what its like to be infallible. Im not insane though even my shrink says so :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and as to my life sucking, currently unemployed, no healthcare etc.. struggling like mofo..'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'who said obama is a traitor?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that zane dude who whatever his name is, i have him ignored'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'rq'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I actually dont understand why people hate on obama so much'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'I'm not saying nobody should BELIEVE differently than me, but if you can't look at empirical evidence that proves the shortcomings of the American right-wing philosophy, then you lose a TON of credibility.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I'm not going to pretend that you can pick yourself up by your bootstraps and magically escape poverty, Veck, but what does a president have to do with that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i voted twice for him, and tbh, i think he sucking ass as a president.. he went to far to the center for me, but he didnt really have a choice the tea party kinda shut down everything he did, we will never get anything accomplished either good or bad until one party controls all 3 bodies of government'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i had high hopes for him, but when he backed down on single payer healthcare and went for this healthcare exchange crap i was super disappointed'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl is agreeing with that CRACKHEAD Veck person again...
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'having term limits on congress ect would be a big step in the right direction. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I think he's a decent person who has tried to do the best he could in a government where congress is a nightmare.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I also think term limits is not a good solution. Bear with me.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'And even after conceding on Single Payer, he let it be weakened further.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'he did all a black kenyan who was born in space can do!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'you forgot to put muslim in there giggle'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'The reason we don't have term limits in congress is because sometimes we find really amazing politicians who are great at their job. It makes no sense to waste our resources by letting that person only do their job for 6-12 years and never using them again.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'oh yeah, so i did!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I think the solution isn't term limits. I think it's asking voters to pass a test on the platform of a specific candidate before they vote for that candidate.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'They don't have to know about everybody, just the person they want to vote for.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'And have the government distribute free educational materials at all voting sites about all candidates.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I'm super okay with my tax dollars paying for that.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'We do that in Washington, and my neighbors still vote for major shitheads.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Terrible incumbent politicians win a lot because people don't have any idea who they're voting for, they just vote incumbent by default.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'But is it really to our benefit to tell really great politicians who write and support laws that protect the American people they can only serve us for 6-12 years, and then never letting them do so again? We lose incredible resources that way - there has to be a better solution than congressional term limits.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'We get a newsprint magazine type thing with information about all the candidates and measures on our ballots sent in the mail the same day we get our blank ballots. It stil doesn't help.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Yes, Xochitl, but do you have to prove you read it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'No. We don't have to do that, sadly.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Pass a test based on the candidate you're voting for in order to place the vote. Get say, 7/10 questions about their platform correct.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'If you fail, you don't lose your vote, you just have to go sit in line and study some more if you're determined to vote for that cat.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'They would never do that. Not saying its not a good idea just that it would never happen'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I don't know if that's feasible, but I know it's a solution I'd rather have than slapping term limits on congress and potentially losing valuable politicians who are difficult to replace'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the problem with that is that it actually HAS been done...it was used to prevent black people from voting'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'back in a time when most black people couldn't read'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Yeah, but most Americans are literate now, so is that a strawman argument?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I'm asking you, not telling you.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'who decides what questions are fair?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because the tests can still be manipulated'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'The candidate.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Mt. Craigath.
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It wouldn't be reasonable for the government to choose alone. Candidates pick a set of questions, a proxy panel selects the best 10 from their list?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd be quite within my rights to consider one or two platforms to be "deal-makers" or "deal-breakers"...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Man, I just want to hear a better solution than the one I'm offering for how to solve our shitty congress.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Im still not convinced that my vote matters.. I vote.. Im just not sure if it does anything'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'There is only one fair approach, one man one vote.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, fuck the women voters!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'And I am the man.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'If we have a congress with an all-time low approval rating but incumbents are still being elected like 90% of the time, there has to be a change. Someone give me a suggestion with better legs to stand on than my own, I'm all ears.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I firmly support term limits. I think haveing fresh blood/fresh thoughts is a good thing. Im glad we switch presidents every 8 years'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'bard'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'mis'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'What happens to the really great politicians if we lose them after 8 years, Wars?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'What do we do with that guy? Serious question.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Forgot I was about to type something on this shitstorm...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they get speaking engagements'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'We might come across even better ones?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do you think changing who is in office has any real effect on anything important?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Okay, maybe we do. But how do we make use of the great ones we already had but removed due to term limits?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'if there is only one good potential legislator per district, then we have a much larger proble,'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is incompetent and or a puppet  -- for proof: Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'most sitting congressman and senators only care about getting reelected and they need money to do that, so until we actually get money somehow out of campaigning, our senators and congressman will do their bidding and not whats good for there people'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Shit, there might be LESS than one good potential legislator per district, Craigath.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'while a funny statement, that's not terribly likely.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It was meant as a joke.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'i figured'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue with politics is not one that can be solved, merely because it's not really an issue with politics...'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'Most student government exercises are more productive than the sitting government'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it comes down to the populace itself having wildly-differing opinions on major directions'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we need to have online elections for one, maybe more people would turn out to vote'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'There is no lack of candidates'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'or at the very least have the vote happen for more then just one day'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'I have more faith in Aard voting booths then I do american ones lol. Thats sad.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so while you're sitting on one side screaming "YOU IDIOTS, CUT TAXES!", there's an equal guy sitting on the other side screaming "YOU IDIOTS, MORE SERVICES!"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'just imagine the damage possible to the USA if there were no term limits and G W Bush endured for a third term'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the schedule to have elections during the week when the working poor are well working'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, tuesdays suck'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'if you want to vote you will vote. you dont have to vote on that day.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'most people just dont care'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i always vote absentee, for the fact i dont want to stand in line for 3 hours to vote'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's more work to vote separately'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Clinton, a third term in 2000, excellent - at least avoid all that damage done by G W Bush and Dick Cheney'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Craigath, I think Arthur Vandenberg was one of the best senators ever. He served for almost 25 years. He did incredible bipartisan things for that entire career, especially with foreign policy.. I'm being super serious, if we institute term limits on Congress as a bandaid solution, are we handicapping ourselves by preventing similar political careers that could have done so much good for so long?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'I have not voted in a booth for years, have voted every year, and have even worked in the polling places. That is a lame excuse for not voting. Not having a home is an excellent excuse, we make it impossible for transients to vote.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'term limits prevent incompetent popular presidents from doing more damage'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I wanna know what we do with people like that after we stop letting them serve in Congress. They're still useful and powerful, how do we leverage our resources? I'm willing to concede that re-elections are causing major problems in a Congress with no term limits, but I don't wanna lose senators like Arthur Vandenberg to a system that mandates limits.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'lets go back and not elect ronald reagan, he is the single reason why we are in this mess.... trickle down economics is a fucking joke'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and bill got lucky with the internet boom.. bill clinton did more to take away services from peopel then republicans did'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'they can still be public speakers and spread their knowledge/beliefs'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'term limits for congress will Never happen'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'A) it would take a constitutional amendment, B) Congress would have to approve such an amendment'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'C) never going to happen'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'well, we have different concerns. i would not be particularly worried by letting Senator Vandenberg go do whatever he decides to do after holding office.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'droki: "we" don't do anything with them. They're not a pet. They can choose to be every bit as instrumental out of office as they were in office, if they so wish.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless you are going to call a constitional convention in which case you can fully expect for the constitution to be shreded and a completely new document create that sucks a lot more than our current one does'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Romald Reagan deregulated the S&L - all those that became rich from the gutting of S&L and the ruining and beggaring of thrifty USamericans, they like Ronald Reagan'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to be fair Reagan was probably senile by then so it was really Bush Senior, Nancy, and various cabinet members'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ronald Reagan was a senile puppet'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'consitution should be re-written every 19 years like jefferson wanted... but for some reason we treat it like some holy text that shouldnt be touched'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats what I just said Zade'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'yup he was'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'still going down as the biggest landslide victory in US history'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't know about that Veck, do you really think the shmucks in washington today would do a good job rewriting it?'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i just couldnt bring myself to vote for mitt romney in the last election, i didnt want to vote for obama but felt i had no god damn choice'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'next time im writing in macho comacho'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my thoughts exactly Veck'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Yea I dont want it rewritten'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and Bush v Clinton Redux is going to give me the same problem'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'neither one of them fit my criteria for "good president"'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look how they wrote the "Patriot Act"  -- then  don't trust them to rewrite the Constitution'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'I refuse to let anyone write a document that tells me how to live my life! Someone already wrote a document that tells me how to live my life hundreds of years ago!'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we'd be good at it by now if these jokers did it every 19 years'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless you like Judge Dredd justice  (joking?)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Mega-City-One is a total shithole full of slumlords, petty criminals, and gangs. Judge Dredd justice CLEARLY doesn't work.'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'and there is the huge problem witha two party system. If given the coice between a douche bag or a turd sandwich inevitably your going to end up with either a douchebag or a turd sandwich :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the idiocracy movie, is the single best predicter of the future of america'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Ill be scared when fudd ruckers becomes butt fuckers thats for sure :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'its the truth tho Wars, thats our system south park nailed it'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'We did elect The Gubernator'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or they would have screwed it up one of the 12 or 13 times they did it, and we would have Balkanized'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'twice'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days, some of the rich already paid some academics to research how to beggar the USamerican middle class (so the rich may become richer)'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'on a more relaxed note Im watching jesus jemry christ on netflix and am enjoying it so far. I thought I had watched most of the good stuff allready'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'jesus henry christ'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sounds blasphemous'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oak Tender Arnica: 'That is the H, I see'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'My fav blashphemous movie would have to be dogma. '
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dogma was not that blasphemous'
T3/r7/2015-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alhough portraying "God" as a frumpy female - unbelievable'
T3/r7/2015-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Allegedly, Jesus is a biscuit'
T3/r7/2015-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'y'all can come out of the woodshed again now - Barrack Obama has used the word "nigger" on a radio interview. We can all use it now'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see some quality book-burning going on in SC promoted by racebaiter-in-chief, Hilary Clinton'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what book are they burning?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Fahrenheit 451'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not actually burning books, but they are burning/banning flags, which is pretty much the same thing'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we only just got our English flag back after similar idiots did the same thing to it here in the 70s'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which flags are they burning'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confederate flag'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'copies or the originals'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'copies, i'd imagine'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some racist nutjob shot a bunch of people of colour in a church, let's ban a flag!'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they are talking about removing some confederate flags, and now changing the flags of Mississippi and Georgia to not contain elements of the confederate flag.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ban the US flag altogether'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they aren't banning flags just removing them from some government places.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a movement to ban it entirely, severely high-value stores have already banned it from sale'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'it's just a symbolic thing, to appease the herd'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should replace it on the state capital with the state flag really'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still think that's dumb, but i agree Mael'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appease the peasantry'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'One problem is the are trying to remove a flag from flying over the South Carolina capital, but it isn't flying over the capital.   15 years ago it was moved to a memorial to the confederate dead, near the state capital.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it's appropriately displayed'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I have to leave. bye'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is amusing from a social science to see the politicians grasping at anything -anything- to claim some kind of moral victory. Meantime, the people of Charlston came together and said fuck-you to all the race baiting and general political and mainstream media bullshittery'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be applauded'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i mean really applauded'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the logic to relate the angry shooter to the confederate flag -- they South wanted the slaves - and churchgoing coloreds are more docile than the rappers (they shoot back) - something is wrong'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'what, you thought the shooter wanted someone who would fight back?  heh'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fail Mael'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reactionary, zade, they want to lash out at something. They can't lash out at gun owners because it won't wash, they can't lash out at white people in general because it isn't typical, they can't lash out at the makers of the nightmare crazy meds he was taking because pharmaceutical companies pay their wages, so all they have left is the flag'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm expecting some link to the KKK to show up, but they don't want to look at that too carefully because of the democrat links'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lash out against the rappers ?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'who said anything about rappers'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somehow i don't think 87yr old bible studiers were rap fans'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fail Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'and why are you assuming all rappers are black!  so racist!  :p'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all rappers are crap'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'yea only the good ones are black'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only good rappers are dead ones'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'how do you measure whether a rapper is good or not...album sales?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'you shot pac didnt you tiger'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't look at me, mac, we're not allowed guns here, we're expected to get the shit kicked out of us without retaliation'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't shoot tupac'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what happened to the shooter'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrested, charged with 9 accounts of murder'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably safe to say he won't be getting out'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless he is jewish hispanic'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'temporary insanity by reason of pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'permanent insanity exacerbated by pharmaceuticals?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas and alabama have decent state flags, the rest suck'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, it was all Emm's fault'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'usually.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you don't like the florida state flag TN?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like flags with fiddly emblems, flags should be simple enough for a young child to draw'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how about Tennesse?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not fond, reminds me of korea'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and colorodo?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't -too- bad, but looks corporate'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well they are all better than that gawd-awful brittish thing.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm )
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple st george's cross is all you need'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think flags are sort of stupid in general these days'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Union Jack is colorful'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we don't do that sort of combat anymore'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we use the jack in the navy'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Imperialists require a colorful flag in bold strong colors to stand out and say "Rule Britania!" '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been a long time since we ruled anything, we're america's bitch now'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'Its truly embarrassing to live in a southern state right now... SMH'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl comforts Absolutely Mezzy.
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Better to be embarrassed than to embrace it. At least that's evidence you're head's on right.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'id that because Hilary is right or because Hilary is wrong'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and is Mezzy NOT in a southern state (and thus is taking snide potshots at those io the southern states)'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'his finger info say Birmingham... I'd say that's pretty fucking southern.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Xochitl is in on the snide there '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Birmingham England, eh'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'its Alabama.... the So called center of Hate'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Do you ever come here to add to the discussion, Zade, or do you just take pot-shots at others and spout irrelevant-to-the-conversation conspiracy theories?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl nods at Absolutely Mezzy.
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'lol that zade dude is just a weak troll who often doesn't even make sense'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'and for the record, I may not reside in a southern state, but that's by design, not happenstance. I was born in Oklahoma, and live south of the Mason Dixon for 28 years.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: '.... Since when can an inanimate object hurt anyone (A Flag)'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'isnt it about the same arguement as "guns kill people"?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'paper cuts can be pretty horrible'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'the flag is a ralying point. It doesn't hurt people directly. It makes people who hurt more brash.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'and I don't think you can really make the point that the gun doesn't play a role.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'Its so hard to talk about...  without falling off the fence one way or the other.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'and trying to talk about it with my wife is a lost cause..'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'why are you permitting the intolerant to label almost everybody in (say) the Southern states as a result of the actions of a nutjob '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'Permitting? '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'the intolerant? I think you're confused. Tolerance of diferrences is not the same as acceptance of injustice.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently, those using the politically-correct media are saying that the intolerance of some (many?) in the southern states is associated with (pride in) the confederate flag - but is this a valid aspersion'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'the flag  is instantly seen as a symbol of hate by anyone who sees it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'The implication being what, that we, in order to be tolerant, must accept blindly that those who rally behind a symbol of racist oppression are really decent people with love in their hearts?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Fat fucking chance of that happening.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Absolutely Mezzy: 'yea that isnt happening..'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a foreigner, when looking at the Confederate flag, i see something yucky in colors and design, but not sure whether the flag is a rallying smbol of "hate" and "intolerance"  -- exception: those that dislike the Confederate flag seems to indicate hate and intolerance of something which may or may not be associated with the flag - maybe they dislike (other) southerners'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Then clearly, as a foreigner, you haven't paid as much attention to it as we who have lived next to it for decades.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard of what the northern carpetbaggers did to the southerners'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, looking at -h...no, the confederate flag is NOT instantly seen as a symbol of hate by anyone who sees it'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard that USamericans travelling abroad pretend to be Canadians'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'fun fact the confederate flag, was never flown by the confederates..'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the Duke Boys weren't intolerant hatemongerers while riding in The General Lee...'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'it only became popular with the KKK'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'millions of people have enjoyed watching that flag every week'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without associating it with anything bad'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'ignorance is bliss'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl nods at CRACKHEAD Veck.
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Lee's army used the flag in the civil war'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'but nods, it wasn't a symbol of the entire confederacy'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'one army is not the entire confederacy'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'it only became popular again with the rise of the KKK'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, fun fact: your fun fact was wrong :P'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'not wrong '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes wrong...you said it wasn't flown by confederates...are you saying that Lee was not a confederate?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"wasn't flown by confederates" is not the same as "not every single confederate flew it", or "it was the official flag of the confederacy"'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and it only became popular again when the KKK started using it'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and they are totally not racist right'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not their flag'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a good number of people don't immediately associate it with them'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'The second and third national confederate flag did use the rebel red, btw, just as a quarter of the flag, and not all of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz forgets what the quarter of the flag is called
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you were to ask those that dislike the USA and USamericans what the flag of the USA is a symbol of, is that likely to be as intense as the current frenzy against the confederate flag'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'the canton, there we go'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when did the Chinese get into confederate flag'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'CNN is debating whether Obama should aplogize for slavery.  Makes everything said on debate channel look like pure genius.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'You have to be kidding.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'nope, its almost the most pointess debate I've seen.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they explaining the "CNN logic"'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'No wonder I don't watch the news'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'should stop watching CNN its not news'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and Fox News, and MSNBC'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'all of it is shit'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'CNN usually isn't too bad, unless they get really focused on one thing, like the Malasian flight.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'Breaking News: Kim Kardashians ass is covered in champange'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'does seem to label everything as breaking news, rather than just news.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I mean CNN does'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Barack Obama is a descendant of a nonslave Kenyan (on the father's side), and nonwhite nonslave Africans used to capture and sell the captured to the white slave-traders -- but did CNN actually state that '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i want some to apoligize for enslaving my irish ancestors and bringing them to the new world'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It doesn't matter anyways. it's preposterous, and stupid. Slavery ended 150 years ago'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'CNN didn't really have a point of view they just let other people debate it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It has absolutely nothing to do with any American alive today, and no one has shit to apologize for. It's ridiculous and pointless.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'remnants persisted intil 1965 in the USA'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Not legally, and therefore completely not worth acknowledging as a politician'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It is pretty pointless, some were saying a white president should apologize it, but there is no guarantee he would be from a family that owned slaves.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It's a stupid conversation.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It doesn't matter what the hell your ancestors did. I'm an anglo-saxon, my ancestors might have participated in butchering innocents in the Crusades, that's not my responsibility.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'But before you say its the dumbest thing you have heard of..... CNN is on to comparing ISIS and White Supremesists :)'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Modern white supremacists are an outlaw terrorist group, so it's not that insane. It's stupid, just not as stupid.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, Droki, there is a precedent in the Bible:  "The fathers ate sour grapes and the teeth of the children are set on edge" '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Nevermind, Zade, you're stupid enough to work for CNN.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'also to the people who say the the cefederate flag isnt the KKKs flag..... The swastika isnt the Nazi's emblem either they just borrowed it but it still represents alot of hate'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible also speaks of no forgiveness for at least ten generations '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'You're implying that we ALL must follow the bible, then, Zade? Wow... Talk about ignorant.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'Nice tolerance, there, dude.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Seriously. You just shoved the bible down my throat.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl is agreeing with that Viscount Droki person again...
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Veck, maybe the Orientals are supposed to apologise for the reversed swastika and what the Nazis did  '
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'the bible and religion in general is for soft minded people who need an excuse to not be an asshole to everyone'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'Okay, Zade's a troll.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'We all just read his last message to Veck. Confirmed, troll, worthy of ignore.'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'It took you 10 years to figure that out?'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "CNN logic" is contagious'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viscount Droki: 'It took me 5 minutes, and I think that might have been a bit slow'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Goal Bot Xochitl rapidly nods twice at Gigglefluff, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz is agreeing with that Viscount Droki person again...
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'I've known for weeks, now...'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'as a christian does the pentagram offend you Zade'
T3/r7/2015-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Goal Bot Xochitl: 'but I hate having to keep typing 'debate -h #' to laugh at him, so I don't ignore him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hold it up to the light, not a brain in sight'
T3/r7/2015-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TPP got passed'
T3/r7/2015-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully the EU will kick out TTIP, but i'm not holding my breath'
T3/r7/2015-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PS, your pension funds are fucked'
T3/r7/2015-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest news: Russia in talks with Syria to put troops on the ground. Turkey meanwhile discusses plans to invade northern Syria to prevent Kurds from defending their territory against ISIS'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey really needs carving up'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what about Greece?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece is fine'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'bail them out, they'll pay it back i'm sure  .... /s'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need bailing out, they just need to leave the Euro'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'welcome to cold war 2.0'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and default on the stupid debt that the IMF dumped on them'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'vice news just did a entire show about russia'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i dont get why putin keeps claiming there are no russian troops in the ukraine'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did they say? That Putin is dangerous and keeps moving the Russian homeland closer to NATO bases?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you can go on russian social media sites and see geotagged images russian soldiers are taking in the ukraine'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does it surprise you that there are russian soldiers in ukraine?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'he claims  that anyone who speaks russian has the right to be protected by russia'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'which is basically what hitler said'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a nice meme, Veck, but that's about as far as it goes'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'what about the russian speaking americans? Are they to be protected by Russia?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'it doesnt suprise me, i dont get why putin can openly denies it when the facts are so out in the open'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'according to putin Sonet, i guess so'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he probably openly denies it for the same reason America openly denies funding and fermenting the coupe in the first place, Veck'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the coupe of what'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the overthrow of the Ukrainian government'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'russia is still pissed about the kossivo'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia has plenty to be pissed about'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'your saying that america funded the overthrow of the ukrainian governemtn'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're pretty pissed about Syria, too'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partly yes, Veck, '
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'they were there own country before ww2, then they were part of the soivet union after, then they left the soviet union'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'ukraine voted to not be a part of russia'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's your point, Veck?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'my point is i wish, american didnt help the brit's in WW2, so we couldn't be having this conversation'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'russia is invading the ukraine, why the hell is it amercia's fault'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we didnt overthrow shit'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and fuck i hate not having a mouse, mouse keys blow'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america is as much to blame in it as the EU and russia is'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'ukraine wants to be its own nation, russia doesnt want that..'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that doesn't really help anyone'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i blame the UK for the worlds problems'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ukraine maybe does, but US and the EU want it to be a vassal state for the EU, and Russia wants it to remain a vassal state for Russia'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately the only viable solution is to split it up'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'who cares about the ukraine anyways its a giant shit hole'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an extremely important source of agricultural land'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'well thanks to global warming russia will have plenty of farm land now'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming was never a major threat to agricultural land, it was the marine environment it would screw over'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i doubt they are doing it to grow corn'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'putin has a tiny penis and wants to show is fellow tiny dick friends how strong and powerful is tiny dick is'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to them it has strategic and historic importance'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a buffer against the ever-advancing nato wall'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, the one that they agreed in the 80s not to move into eastern europe'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'shit changes'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, shit changes'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crimea was ukraine, it's now russia. live with it'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i could care less, but you seem to like to blame america for all the world problems'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's because most of the world's problems ARE because of america'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global financial crash 2008 - America'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel - Palestine. America'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria. America'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Viet Nam'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libya'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the gloriouso UK bankers had nothing to do with it at all, they are above reproach'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'your nation is apart of it and is just as much to blame'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'triggered by the 2006 US sub-prime mortgate bubble bursting'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'well heres hopping russia decides to invade the UK'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they invade the UK? they haven't invaded anywhere shy of border skirmishes defending disparate groups in former USSR satellites'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the uk is weak and they cant'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i just want the UK wiped off the map'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'so you dont exist'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does the UK'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we'd want France wiped off the map first'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'france would kick the UK's ass'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course they wouldn't, they'd surrender just like they did in every other war since 1815'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the only reason the UK is still around is because the awful americans supported your country, you'd be speaking german right now'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had it covered'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'my grandpa took a mortar round to his jeep helpign to save your gay country'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, you then signed everyone over here up to 40 years of poverty by charging us all for your time'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you need to lay off the drugs'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't learn about the Marshall Plan in history?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i learned to spot a retard, its coming in handy right now'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm wondering if you never read history, or are just participating in that American pasttime of revisionism'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Americans invented historial revisions.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'enjoying the fun american pastime of trolling '
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the winners get to write the history... stop being such losers and then you can write it'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since typically a fifth of all american adults couldn't point out Iraq on a map despite there being american troops fighting there, you'd forgive me for asking ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference between the US and the UK is that we keep our stupid people quiet, you put yours in charge of the country'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'I think the real difference is you guys think pointing shit out on maps is important.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're warring with someone, it's polite to know where it is'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'All we had to know is the US and UK put Hussein in power.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'its war no need to be polite'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't know about stuff like proxy wars, Dup'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'They do. Even stupid Americans know alot about proxy wars.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'so why did the UK empire fall so quickly if you guys were so great and so much better then everyone else'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the sun never sets on the british empire... cant say that anymore i think'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'They could point out countries really quickly a map, how could an empire like that fall?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, weren't great and better than everyone else'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'your weak and have no natural resources you would be crushed in any war with out the united states help'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'empires have a tendancy to fall because the moment you stop invading new places, you run out of resources to keep the old ones'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'We accept your apology for not invading Vietnam with us.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'well you have the fakland island still, congrats'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only regret is we joined the EU and should have set up free trade with our commonwealth'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Until Argentina (can't spot it on a map) invades.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'maybe you all can move there once your island is bombed out'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Argentina is suffering hyperinflation and can't even provide adequate toilet paper for their population. Apologies if I don't feel terribly threatened on the Falklands behalf'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might invade because there's a Tesco store there'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'tesco, the great provider of horse meat as hamburger'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you guys need a publix'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you haven't known what a good supermarket is until you have a publix sub'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'I've always wanted to try horse meat, but I figure I already have without realizing it so I don't persue further.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we need is people buying local'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'horsemeat is like beef, it was a storm in a teacup over labelling'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Wait there is local food in the UK?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'what can you grow local? leaks and potatos? '
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'How do you grow food on a rock that never sees the sun?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better at potatoes than the Irish'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'green houses, but you can feed your population without importing food'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'it was only a matter of time before a brit started railing against the Irish.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'if the UK was suddenly isolated from the rest of the world, you guys would be starving to deatth'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's been the case for 100 years, Veck'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're overpopulated'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'I think 99% of countries would die under those circumstances.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'america would be just fine'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Or not.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'might limited on the selection be we could feed everyone'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we export most of our food, we import the stuff we like'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Since when.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'We would've been fine... 60 years ago...'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'We're a service economy now, we have a big trade deficit. We kinda need imported food.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: '2010 we exported 115billions worth'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'How much imported.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'dont think i see the UK anywhere on there'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Wut 'bout india?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Oh shit the Brits still think they own India'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'nobody tell them lets hope they don't notice'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'I'm not britain.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'heh'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Just curious.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: '#1 corn, starberry,blueberry,almonds... wht else'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'soybean'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'coffee.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you see us on there?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'What else.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Not for long on Almonds thanks to California's drought.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be like expecting to see Nicaragua on there'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you wouldnt because the UK sucks, bow down to America Tigerballs'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'be down the aliens.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'obey your american overlords'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'obey dullcrap.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'obey dullcrap.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'is the UK #1 in anything?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Drink beer quickly.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'sucking dick?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Drinking* beer quickly.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Not that they resist it well.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'US #1 childhood obesity SUCK IT'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'bam'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'How it's done son'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we got all the food'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'YAY we win!'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Victory feasts'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i'm bathing in milk and honey tonight'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'We will throw out a few tons of food in celebration'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'I remember my victory feast after winning in Iraq (can't find it on a map).'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'Iraq is over by Austrailia'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'which is next to canda'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'You first have to go into America's hat, then take a canoe to the next isle.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A macabre Sonet: 'After that you can ride a shark straight through Germany to Iraq'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'So why is it when the Brits throw people out of there country the end up better off then if they stayed?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'You were helped.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'heres to my great great grandfather being a horse thief and leaving ireland'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'by the french'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was trying to work out who in the western world is top for teenage pregnancies'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Dang. Poor horse. No dream for him.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i like france, god bless there sauces'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'at least the French gave us a cool statue, what did the UK ever do to thank us'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'John Oliver'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we gave you a constitution and a country'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Nope.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Oh so we have you to blame for this shitty fucking constitution?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like it, give it back and have China's'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'It's not even the best constitution written by Americans.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'They were against it.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'We took the country sorry bro, we took it from your cold tired weak hands'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Japan's constitution is so much more baller and we wrote theirs. How unfair is that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Nuclear bomb. Twice.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's about time you gave the country back, since it's not yours'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: '?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, you're insisting that russia get out of ukraine - same deal'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'We wrote the constitution for Japan in like the 50s dude.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'We got out of Japan like instantly after the war.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Except for military bases so we can throw rocks at China.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'pearl harbor?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'Wheres China at? thats over by Egypt right?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China's won, Veck, it's too late'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you have a red t-shirt'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'People said the same shit about Japan in the 1980s.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'And I'm still waiting for my weird asian overlords.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you like being the bitch'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Go in red alert 3. There are here.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'its funny how all the people in China like to buy USA made products because they think there products suck'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they buy german cars, that's all i can tell you'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Everyone buys German cars.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Even us?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, they're shit'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Even us?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Especially the US. You think I'm driving American made cars?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'You dared?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'Thats the great thing about american we take the best from around the world and make it work, it might be little fucked up at times but everything is keeps going'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Hell no American made cars are for people in third world countries.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American made cars? Is that still a thing?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'I imagine people driving Ford Escort's in Smoalia and shit.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly, they all drive Toyota pickups'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i had a 2005 merucy sable it wss a decent car bought it used for 5,000 had it for 7 years'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Heh they actually do what is up with that?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're almost indestructible if built before 2002, Dup'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Did you learn that from Top Gear?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i had a toyota terrcel 5-speed, biggest hunk of crap'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Before 1920 yeah.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damp climates (like here in the UK) will kill pretty much any modern (German) car here in 8-10 years'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'Which top gear?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'most toyotas are assembled in the states anyways'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'German made cars are huge market in the UK'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i'm trying to think of one thing that i would buy from the UK '
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, but they're just as fallable as the rest. There was a period during the 90s where German cars got the jump by bringing in new more powerful diesel engines'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has caught up and are equally as shit now though'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Heh, diesel was like never popular in the states.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'People equate it with being dirty.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'royals royce is from the UK right?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Yeah'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'I think they mostly do airplane shit now'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you guys make good jet engines'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Boeing better'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing we're still good at'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got by far and away the best next generation space launchers going'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'drinking tea?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'stupid hats, you guys are great at'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Does it break your heart everytime you have to select the language: English (American)'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'I don't, most of the time.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i select cerol for the challenge'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Big Sister Tlacamela: 'The rest of the time, i don't even bother.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that the fast growing language here is arabic, do i look like i care?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Careful there, you're sounding a little UKIP today.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i think your sad that your country is on the decline Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'if you didn't have nukes you'd be as important as South America'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Our country is on the decline too according to Pat Robertson thanks to gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'excuse me South Africa'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'look at what the UK did to Alan Turing'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'made him get hormone injections for being gay'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad they it took until 2015 for the US to legalise gay marriage'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'change is slow, but at least its changing'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Only thing I'm glad about this year is the decriminalization of Marijuana in my home state!'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need a supreme court of balls to rule in states favor on that, but don't hold your breath'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Won't need a Supreme Court ruling if federal legislation matches.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see your feds changing the law?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'congrats Dup'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Once all states in the 9th district have it legalized, yes.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'Florida missed its chance by like 2% of the vote'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'And they're hardcore conservative.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'majority voted for it, but we neeeded 60%'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9th district?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'charolettes web strain is legal in florida tho'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'District courts are broken up by states in the US, the west coast (Oregon, California and Washington) all operate under the 9th district court. It's ultra liberal.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'This is the court directly below the Supreme Court.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'That's why gay marriage has been legal on the west coast for awhile now.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'I'm waitin for my girl to come home with some bars :)'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many districts?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: '13 circuit courts'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'didnt you learn this in history class tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'If you're not from the US there's no reason to memorize any of this.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if circuit courts upheld the 10th ammendment's stance of primacy of state law above federal law in the case of pot, it'll force the feds to back down?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or won't it just go to supreme court at that point?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'It would go to the Supreme court if they opted to hear it - but the feds aren't enforcing federal marijuana laws. And most realistic conservative contendors don't intend to challenge that (except possibly Bush).'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh they are'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'They aren't enforcing federal marijuana laws in those states*'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did in california for a medical pot grower'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'there was a scandal about the mayor selective enforcing federal laws if the dispenscary weren't paying him'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/12/department-justice-congress-war-medical-marijuana'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Then that happened.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'claimed that, despite the fact she wasn't selling it and only growing it under medical license for herself, that somehow that affected the cross-state market and therefore came under federal jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'motherjones <3'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'great magazine and site'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'http://themindunleashed.org/2015/06/marijuana-dispensary-suing-mayor-after-cops-raid-shop-and-eat-edibles.html'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a safe statement though, not funding prosecution isn't the same as legally agreeing it isn't against the law'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'if the dispensary didnt pay 25,000 to the mayor they were select to be raided by the FEDS'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'In the US it is the same.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'It seems weird, but this is how it starts.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corrupt people in government, who'd have thought'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'It can be reversed by a future president, but stripping funding is how you remove govt departments in the US.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'one of the cops eats an edible of video'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'er..on video'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd do well by having a bonfire of federal departments and pushing the roles down to local level'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'Nah, then there'd be a patchwork of some states that enforce this crime and others that don't.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dup: 'It's a broken system but there's no way to fix it so we just keep building on top.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you believe "I believe the most qualified person should get the job" is a microagression?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'need to get rid of the DEA and and a wing of the FDA control drugs and legalize drugs'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'get rid of the black market tax the shit out of it'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'and ad a wing to the FDA i mean... '
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'FDA can ensure that the MDMA i get is 100% pure thats what i want'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, this is the sort of things you're up against: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZhi9q0Vs4'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i want to punch this guy in the throat who is narrating'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not very polite, he's from the midlands'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'hah, Walmart bakes a man an ISIS cake after refusing to make a Confederate flag cake'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one is against company policy, the other is not'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'i dont understand the mass banning of the flag, i get not having above the state capitol... '
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'but to ju'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'but to ban historical vide games that have the flag in it is bit extreme'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flag burning is a bit like bnook burning, veck'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't rationalise the murder of 9 black dudes by a psycho so they have to be seen to be banning something'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easier to ban a symbol to feel better than to actually tackle the root causes'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we are famous for our retarded knee-jerk reactions'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but, look on the bright side'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're also starting to export that same retarded knee-jerk reaction-making policy'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'its our #2 export right after corn'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'we'd be better off having good mental health services and not so many guns available'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well your corn is fucking poisonous and so's your fake-left pseudo-intellectual social justice warrior academia bullshit'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please keep it!'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'to late'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, only if ttip passes'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'you secretly love america'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'its why you hate it so much'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have marginally better mental health care and far fewer guns, but we still have the same level of mass shootings'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'lets blame the jews'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CRACKHEAD Veck: 'the are the go to scapegoat'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jews are your fault too'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban the jewish flag, that'll sort it'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban jewish kilts while you're at it'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dracius: 'This country is becoming socialist.'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama and hilary were both staunchly anti-gay marriage, so what happened?'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America could never be socialist - it's owned by global corporations'
T3/r7/2015-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're confusing socialist and fascist'
T3/r7/2015-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like there'll be a smallish exodus of kids from public schools in California'