T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Is there a way to reset the mushclient layout to default?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: yep!
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: resetaard or aardreset, I never remember.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: resetaard I think
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Ok, I still have a straggling plugin window I can't move.. hm.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: is it a custom plugin or one of the default ones?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Custom
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: kk
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: you might need to reinstall or remove that plugin.. :|
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: you can reinstall by doing File -> Plugins, select Plugin and click the Reinstall button at the bottom
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Plugin reinstall didn't work either.. hmm.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: might fix it
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: aww shucks
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: I'd ask which plugin, but it wouldn't help me help you, but maybe others can offer advice
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zroromix Tech: hey, is there a mapping script for mudlet?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Annellin Tech: umm...any idea if i can enable mccp with vip mud?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think you need to set up an mccp proxy
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Annellin Tech: oh...thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: see help mccp proxy
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Annellin Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: uhm...
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: does anyone know the link to the mapper gui fix?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Finger Nokfha.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Nokfah*
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. mapper gui fix?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: didnt even know the mapper gui needed a fix
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what's wrong with mapper gui
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: He's talking about S&D.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: (I'm guessing)
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: yeah that
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: he was so specific though. :p mapper gui
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I know.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: sowy
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: people usually ask "my xrunto is not working"
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne snickers softly.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: yeah, i remember it was on someone's 'finger'
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: can't remember who
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Now you know.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh. one of the things i said i was going to do before i remorted was to coplete my extender state file
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: and knowing is half the battle...GI JOE
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: runto every area and type starting room's id into state file for xrt
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Why not just do xset mark in each room instead? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: that works too? sweet.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: why not just not use S&D?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's s&d, but my s&d is a bit of frankenstein
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apostate Ralfkayne Tech: why not just use tech chan
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: S&D is useful for other things, not just cheating at cps and quests.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i stitched code together to get qq working and i'm lazy to fix xset mark
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so i just manually edit the state file for the extender
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne smirks.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: qq is not a valid command for the current public release of S&D. :D
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: seems my xset mark only saves roomid, not area name, so when i xrt after xset marking once, some variable receives a nil (supposed to be area name, but there's none because it doesn't get saved) and it crashes
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i keep telling myself i'll fix it but laziness prevails
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: even because once i have all areas in the state file, no more frequent use of xset mark
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I just use the lowest vnum in the area to determine an approximation of the beginning of an area
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: It is not efficient or terribly accurate, but meh I also get lazy
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: "traps" and "dig" still not implemented
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone use mapper with portals?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: let me rephrase...I know you use it with portals
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: sure
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I'm looking for info on h ow to do it lol
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: mush?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: say my portals are in a bag.  "mapper portal get portal bag
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: say my portals are in a bag.  "mapper portal get portal bag;hold portal"
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yes, mush
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: put the whole string in there and use item ID#s
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: so like I had it?  I just used portal as generic placeholder
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: here's an example of one of mine: get 1246788414 1265222258;wear 1246788414;enter;reportal;put 1246788414 1265222258
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I have a portal alias that does "get %1 from ortalbag
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: nice.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: "reportal" being an in-game alias for re-wearing my worn portal
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: me too renoir, but this is a little different.
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: gotta run though, gl :p
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: thanks raded
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check out http://abelinc.me/mapper and http://abelinc.me/hosch
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: eg mapper fullportal get 1415814547 1489428331;;hold 1415814547;;enter;;rem 1415814547;;put 1415814547 1489428331 
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you wouldn't use fullportal with that, as it has no room ides etc
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the guy that maintains the mapper has a ton of info on it at the first link, and a player wrote a very nice walkthrough to teach you "how to think" about making the portal aliases at the second link
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: 1415814547 is portal id and 1489428331 is bag of portals id
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can we no longer customize fiendish's gmcp mapper colours?
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: correct, I believe
T3/r7/2016-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, change in r1800: - misc change: streamline GMCP mapper configuration box in preparation to maybe add some other options more useful than the silly color configuration that nobody should be using.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: would it be appropriate to add killing a mob in order to get a key to a mapper cexit
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Harpy Rumour Tech: you cannot stack a kill command with a movement
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: that is incorrect
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: or are you saying... per the rules
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: think rumour means that you are not allowed to
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: ah
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Harpy Rumour nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: would anyone know how to display the mini window fo the campaign noter plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah but your mapper is a custom one
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: does fiendish's mapper also use Execute() for mapper portals?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, but the same steps work with MUSHclient's
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wow heh
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's very complete
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: eq
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: seems all i really need, if i store all of my portals in the same bag, is a local database of two columns, "in-game portal id" and "portal destination roomid". "portal bag" would be stored in a local variable
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and i could hook it up with the mapper so it would include this database in its path lookup
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: abe. i'd like to ask you a favor
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but that's just if you can come up with the expression by head. cuz i think you can
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i need to list my whole "portal commands" column from my portals table
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh darn your mapper is different
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nevermind
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i've seen you do that before, it's probably just one lua line with the correct sql expression
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "mapper portals" gives me a table but the portal commands are cut at the 20ish'th character
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well. off to have lunch
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: bbl
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: hey guys?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Electric Company!
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: I remember the mapper could automatically run through vidblain...or am i dreaming?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: without using winklewinkle's mapper extender, you just do your normal mapper goto, wait for it to get lost in vidblain, then do mapper resume
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ralfkayne nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with winklewinkle's mapper extender (part of his S&D triple pack), there's a toggle thing to enable...xset vidblain maybe?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: xset vidblain
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: that helped,thanks:)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: does the line with the item id (| Id         : 1642299417                                         |) ever contain anything else?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: get the item ID from invdata, not from ident
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you should use invmon to get the basic info when you get/drop/buy/sell items, then use that to decide whether or not to invdetails that item
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can i get the id of whatever i have worn in my portal slot?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean in an easily triggerable way?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: at this moment i just "addportal <portalid>".
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it would be awesome if i could just "addportal", and have it get my worn portal id automagically
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: because magic is friendly
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. eqdata...
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can i request just my portalloc? do i have to receive everything?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: are undefined variables false in lua? - is null equivalent to false in lua? - can i if undefinedvar assuming it will "default" to false if it hasn't been declared?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: best option would be to use a script which tracks where all items are, such as Bast's eqdb..."cheap implementation" is simply ^[{]invmon[}]2,([0-9]+),-1,31$, set @current_worn_portal to %1
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: takes less typed characters to test than to ask ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: they do default to false
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: Lobi is scared and needs a reassuring hand.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded pats Lobisomem on his head.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: dunno i just didn't want to "halt" scripting environment
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: null is not equivalent to false
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: New'97Wing Abelinc gives Lobi a reassuring hand...upside the head! }:>
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I mean, null isn't even a thing in lua
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lua has nil
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh sorry i meant nil
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: potayto potahto
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and the answer is no
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i always wondered why there was "nil" instead of "null". aren't they the same thing?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nil and false are not the same
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nil is nil
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, is zero false?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zero is true
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if not(notdeclaredvariable) then Note("yay!") end gives me a yay
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh...hmm
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: nil vs null - Australian English vs American English thing?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not tests for nil also
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because nil is not true
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so nil will make if behave as if it was false? can i say that?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: both nil and false are not true, so "not nil" and "not false" will work similarly often
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: awesome
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but good luck when you try to compare false against nil
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because it will be false
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or do the right thing and initialize variables to a known value
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: eh, I check for a nil starting result sometimes because it's convenient
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you know that before you ever set a variable it's nil
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah i always test for nil i just wanted not to have to
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, you hope that ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: at least it's not like javascript where you have to check for an undefined type
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless you forgot that it was somewhere else
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although MUSH is pretty well-scoped
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I usually only do it for a "if first run" kind of thing
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what is the command to change the color of channels?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: colorset
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: great commit message, though: r1800: - misc change: streamline GMCP mapper configuration box in preparation to maybe add some other options more useful than the silly color configuration that nobody should be using.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oops, jumped channels :P
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nothing!
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is that null or nil?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: maybe false?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I need a Nobel scientist to teach me what Nothing is
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: my mapper looks like this on continents now http://i.imgur.com/HMttuOv.png
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mis
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: non-US people probably won't get that one...a tax prep place was playing commercials for their free service, where they had well-known brainiacs showing people how easy it is
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh darn
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: just tried to trigger eqdata's worn portal line to my addportal alias: the line (which is supposed to be omitted) shows up twice (and executes my stuff twice) and i lose connection
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish can i add a portal and specify its level all in just one command?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mapper help search portal
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm can i specify level but NOT room? (and have it default to "here")
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't wanna have to grab gmcp's currentroom :(
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is "mapper fullportal" the answer to my first question?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh weird
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mapper fullportal {<command>} {<room_id>} <level> - but i don't want to have to specify room. i just want to specify level so i don't get a popup window
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I mean, "yes"
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem goes to try not specifying a second {}
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one second
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: require "gmcphelper";print(gmcp("room.info.num"))
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: do i need to escape {}'s in lua?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: OHH YEAH MAN
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define "in lua"
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem dances wildly.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: seems i do heh :)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this is sweet
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: probably sweeter than playing the freaking game LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: worked like a charm
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i just type "padd worn" now
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: adds portal to mapper database with current room and id/lvl grabbed from eqdata
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish. portal string sends to Execute() right?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well we'll see now heh
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it does, yes
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man this is sweet
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no more cringing while redoing portals
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i just wear the portal, enter, then "padd worn"
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can't get any easier than that :D
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it cost me an hour LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: an hour and a half to be honest
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but i'm feeling fiendelinc now so it was worth it
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and fiendish. thanks for sending portal command string to Execute()
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this opens up a matrix of magicalities
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it didn't go to execute, it wouldn't work...
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: couldn't it be just Send()'ed?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: otherwise all it could send is "enter", for the most part...
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh that's right
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: true true. well. my brain is fried
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure, it could send one command...not "get portal bag ; anything else"
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'll have to recover
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: normal use case is to use an alias, and put the alias into the portal command
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this was too much for me. for an hour and a half i had to use 98% of my brain potential activity
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Storing 'pget 1642299417;wear 1642299417;enter;pres;pput 1642299417' as a portal to 35200.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: pget gets portal bag's id from variable (pput same), pres gets "permanent portal" from variable
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i feel so smart
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well. off to dad duty
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: thank you guys!
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what's "pres"?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "portal restore" heh. re-wear the portal that's part of current eq set
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wait() doesn't work in portal command string does it?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this scripting thing is addictive
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that's why I suggest using an alias outside the mapper for your portals...make a "tol_portal" alias with your big string of commands, and then just "mapper portal tol_portal" (or that mapper fullportal thing)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that way you can be as fancy as you want with the actual executed portal command without needing to know/care about how Fiendish uses it
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if all portals follow the same pattern then you should do mapper all_my_portals id_or_keyword
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: er +portal in there somewhere
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how to reset aard layout again?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: resetui
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem shakes his head.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: resetaard :p
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem dances wildly.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is there a CommandEcho(false) in mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try SetEchoInput(False)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: thanks :)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: abelinc do you redirect chat?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: your client is not text only is it?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: i'm not sure i even understand what you're asking here
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: your client isn't text only?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it supports miniwindows :p
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: MUSH, and Miniwindows and such. May not have graphics, but it's not one big chatlog.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: ah, ok, sure i'm with ya now
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: scars = abelinc?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: nope
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah cool. i just wanted to know what abelinc does with his chat
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: beyond log it?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah, i mean some kind of redirection, separate it somehow for better reading or something
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: It could simply be mush. Wouldn't be hard to use a plugin to log all the communication channels to seperate files based on channel.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: i guess i'm mostly curious what you're hoping to learn here... his personal preferences?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: he uses tintin i think
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: abelinc is on tf, not tintin
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scars nods at Fat Ass Cartman.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: TF is pretty good. I played around with it and tintin when I was wanting to log into a different mud from my VPS.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm looking for a chat solution without miniwindows
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: i went from hyperterminal to the ooooooold free zmud to gmud to aardclient
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: you don't like the miniwindows?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: using only the main output if possible. not sure if that's possible on mush. probably not
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: why wouldn't it be possible? you're basically just turning off the capture
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I still really like Mudlet, it's what I used with my last mud. But all the scripts allready written for mush tells me I shouldn't reinvent the wheel.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: more or less. miniwindow chat redirection requires coding to make bitmap become text
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: the whole reason i dropped gmud was because aardclient had a fully functioning mapper and i couldn't get gmud to not be a piece of shit
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah but i'm talking about, dunno, separating the top half or something for chat lines
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well...that's miniwindows :P
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: like the communication log miniwindow?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: problem is i don't want to have to "teach" a miniwindow that those images are text (select, copy etc)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if i could just split output and have chat sent there instead
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: to the upper half, say
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, that's what it already does.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: yeah, i'm super confused
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: what you're asking for is exactly what the communication log does
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: aard client sends chat to a miniwindow
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no plugin has chat lines along with rest of output
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note that even the main output is basically a miniwindow
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'd like mush's output window (not a miniwindow)'s first lines to be dedicated to chat. but then they'd need a separate scroll bar ..
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: do you mean having the chat echo in both the main window and the comm log instead of just the comm log?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: oh, it's just an aesthetic thing
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, your definition if "miniwindow" isn't really any distinction
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: so you want the comm log functionality in the same window as the output
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: exactly
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: why? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: he wants to see his commands echo into the comm log?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't want to type additional code to select text, for example
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: why would you type additional code to select text?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just highlight text
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I think we're still confused as to what you could accomplish with a comm log in the output window that you couldn't accomplish with the comm log outside the output window
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: comm log plugin has tons of code that's there just to make the "text" work like text and not just a big non-interactable image
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: output is like that by default.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: none of which matters
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you need zero code to do it today
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ? new miniwindow functions i assume?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: step 1) install client...step 2) there is no step 2, you've already got comm log with selectable text
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: are you talking about ctrl+c not working in the comm log?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i want to make my own chat log. and i was wondering if i could do that using the output.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not a chat log
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the first question was "what abe does with his chat log" exactly because i assumed he didn't use mush/aard plugins.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: output is output
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: you can capture it and send it to another miniwindow but I don't think there's a way to reserve X lines of the main output window for a comm log.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: @raded: that's what i wanted to double check
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so seems the answer is not possible
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm always switching between work computer (big screen) and home laptop (small screen)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i wanted to come up with a way to have my layout autoadjust/snap together to screen size
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: comm log into output would make "adjustment" unecessary
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i can just adjust it to laptop and have it stay there but then i'd just be losing half of my work pc screen :p
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you tried using resetaard on each of them?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: there may be a way to set size and position of miniwindows with a script
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: by default, it has small, medium and large settings
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: resetaard has fixed settings (not smart or screen size dependent)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i didn't know it had smal, med and large settings :p
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, it's pretty easy to do that, raded
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I have absolutely no idea where you would start with that, but it certainly seems more possible than integrating comm log into main output
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: not easy at all though from what i've tried so far
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: since the mush fuctions GetInfo() are not precise at all when asked for screen size, width height etc
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: they should all be numerical values held somewhere. figure out what they are, figure out what they should be on each computer, and set up an alias to toggle between them.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the earlier questions, yes I do capture chat, but I only use the capture windows when doing something "busy"
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't need screen size, etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you just want your two values
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how do i not need screen size when i want to adjust my windows to it?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how do you adjust your windows now?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mouse
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all we're talking about is "size 1" at work, and "size 2" on laptop...
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: true
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I don't think MUSH knows what your screen size is, just x,y coordinates of where the miniwindows are.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your mouse doesn't know your screen res
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Speaking of all these screen things. My winkle winkle gui extener is like draggud up so it's hidden under the mush client gui. How do I reset it into usable space so I can move it?
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mush has GetInfo's that are supposed to give me screen width/height (both with and without client stuff (info/status bar, menus, title bar etc)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: they're not precise
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rune of Ixultar Tech: xset reset gui, Alzar (I think)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Boom, thanks.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: You guys are gentlemen and scholars.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: example: my output's top is next to "mush desktop"'s (area in which miniwindows can move/be visible inside) top. so output's top glued to top. adjusting its height in the state file to set its (output's) height to what GetInfo says it's the height of my "desktop" makes output bigger than what i can see. 
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: last "desktop" refers to "mush desktop" (space available for miniwindows), not talking about screen size or windows desktop size
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and it misses by a margin that's smaller than the height of command input, info/status bar or title bar or anything
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but whatever full screen's broken for ages. i'm not getting anywhere
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nick says it's a compiler version + windows version issue he can't fix without buying new software
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and using new software would probably break older Windows
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: most certainly
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well software is just like that
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right now it works from NT on through W10
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: thanks, Bill Gates.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i use java stuff in my work. it's hilarious how some software depends on an exact version, not older, not newer, not most recent. but an exact version. to work
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: I currently use a piece of software written originally for dos 6.0 in 1990 and 1991, and "ported" to windows 95 in 1998, on my windows 10 laptop
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh yeah, and with Java, now Oracle's installers want to remove the other versions
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: the program was written in COBOL, and I run it with shell commands from inside Matlab :)
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: and the scary thing is that it runs faster that way than it does if I just program the equations it uses directly into matlab.
T3/r7/2016-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LeafGuider Waker Tech: thats cool as heck emm
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LeafGuider Waker Tech: ei8ht?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think using a newer compiler would only break older windows if he didn't start also distributing the redistributable runtime dll
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: something something
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: new MSVC definitely has an XP compatible mode. I'd willingly sacrifice 98 compatibility for a process that didn't require VC6
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what's vc6? and why do you not want to require it?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MSVC6 is not free, Visual Studio Community 2016 is
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MSVC6 was also made in like 1998
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: sorry i din't have this channel on, can someone repeat?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: repeat what?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kylia Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: hehe my bad, i will ask if i have any problems with the GMCP
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: what kind of problems are you having?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i haven't start, but i am gonna try to setup GMCP with tintin++
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: are  you trying to find out how, or just being sure that someone will be able to help you if you run into trouble?
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: just finger Ixle and go to his web site
T3/r7/2016-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: ah sweet
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: my automap window is gone and resetaard won't fix it
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: somehow i am getting "{chan ch=answer}", which config is that?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mowse Tech: tags channels
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: ah, thank you
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dangrim Tech: is it legal to post links to local copies of aard maps on my own website or just links to existing maps?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: links only. or ask very nicely
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: unless you made the maps yourself
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dangrim Tech: okay thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: if you have a new cool way to show the maps perhaps...
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: when you post your own maps dont post maps of areas that are recently added
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dangrim Tech: what is the timeframe for new areas before maps can be made public?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: a few weeks at least. Maybe 2 or 3 months
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dangrim Tech: last question... thanks for all the info btw... all areas atm are more than 2 to 3 months old atm right?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: that I'm not sure of. Might want to ask on Q/A channel
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: my ancient trusty logitech wheel had no force feedback. i went to the forums to see if it still works with w10. there was a suggestion that it might be a power issue. q ri checked - yes, that was it.
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: could mush be used like some skype-like thing?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: yes.  low-res, tho.  ascii-art video-phone... want!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: __m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal points excitedly at Mannec!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: can i set trigger in aardwolf MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: does anyone have python working with mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: Yes, Chou, triggers work in mushclient, if that's what you're asking
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: it's quite different from zmud right?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: I've used both, and Mushclient, in my opinion, is much much better
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: ok, so is there any guidance for MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: but it's not all that different in the way it looks ... and the aliases/triggers are a bit different to make, but not a lot
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: yes! there is tech support :o)
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: Chou ... just the mapper makes it worth getting
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: nothing like the one in Zmud ... makes campaigns/quests so much easier
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: that sounds great!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: so where is the support?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: super easy. alt+enter. there is that trigger section. match the whole line or cut it short with *'s.. as many as you like... for starters 
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: not a graphic map ... but, if you want to find a room you've been to before, you would type "mapper find <roomname>" ... and it puts up a link you can click on to automatically run to it
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: well, here on tech there are always ppl to help, and then also on the mushclient website there is a forum
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: ok thanks a lot guys!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: and we have players here who are very good with it
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: np!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: whos that
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: yep. you just ask for a specific thing and someone usually answers shortly
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: I've never had a problem with mushclient that someone hasn't answered for me on tech
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: thats great!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: .. also, zmud is *dead* ... mushclient is always being worked on and improved
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: and you can get some nifty plugins to go with it
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: ... so ... about that python question 
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: sorry ... that's not one I have an answer for :o(
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: <<-- doesn't know python
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: when i see mobs to kill when levelling, how can i kill and keep kicking until it's dead and do the next?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: it seems trigger cant function like that
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: it is possible
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i don't think its legal in this mud though
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: ok, sorry about that
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: see help autocasting, it is legal in some circumstances
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: might be a smarter way to do this. since we have 2 types of prompt, prompt and fighting prompt. whenever i am i fighting prompt, i check a variable. if the variable isn't there, i kick and turn the variable on. when the kick action it close the variable again
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: so you need to learn #if, #var for that to happen, really easy to be honest
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: ok..thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: at most 10 min read and you will know how to do it
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: not that good in english tho
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i am taiwanese too heh
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: give me a sec, i will look for mushclient guide in chinese
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slasher Phy Tech: im cock asian
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: it's double exp now so 
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: Chou can you read simplified chinese?
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: i can translate it into traditional
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i think this page have all the info you will need "http://www.17mud.com/thread-16415-1-1.html"
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: ok thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i never used mushclient so i can't really help out much
T3/r7/2016-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Locknar Tech: has anyone gotten the mushclient help system to work on windows 10
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: locknar: for Windows 10, try http://abelinc.me/w10help
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or since he's not online, whenever someone sees him ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: when i login i get a the spellheaders noprompt list, any clue what triggers this ?
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: it the spellheader tag
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: my plugin doesnt request it as far as i can see
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: is it possible that the invmon on setting triggers this spellup list ?
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: invmon wouldn't have anything to do with it
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: strange maybe invdata then
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it's not invventory, it's spellup
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: funny i dont request spellheaders but i get a massive list 
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a spellup script is sending "slist"
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: yeah i know ill check other plugins
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're running winkle's or bast's spellups, both of them do it
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: it must be a bast plugin i have some of those
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just the spellup, that's the only thing that will do it
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although it's the "helper" to the main spellup that does it
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: muschlient can only hotkey numberpad keys?  no way to hotkey more stuff?
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can hotkey anything
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Writing-Macros
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: ty, checking it out
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wicked Renata Tech: any of you know a good program for cleanin off malware crap from your phone?
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain Robbo Tech: I figure if I've got malware on my phone, a factory reset is my option.
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wicked Renata Tech: eh i want to avoid that if possible
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain Robbo Tech: Rather than trying to add more apps to remove malware from a phone, I generally try to back up the apps I care about (using Helium if not rooted, titanium backup if it is), then gun the phone and restore the important bits.
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain Robbo Tech: I usually end up loading far less apps back on than I had before the wipe. :P
T3/r7/2016-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wicked Renata Tech: i dont even have more than 2 that werent on the phone when i got it, just sicj of seeing these browser popup bs and play store opening app ads
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: whats the command in mapper to set a room as your xrt destination?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: xset mark
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: of course
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: any mushclient questions?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: can mush run lag free from EDGE (20-25kbs) ?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Nope
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it will be exactly as lag free as any other client
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: 25kbps is actually plenty. more important would be the ping time
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: was wondering, since my blowtorch runs fine on edge
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: ok thanks!
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you can, try running a ping to aardmud.org and see how high it is
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: can i ping from a phone?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like, I'm in Mauritius right now and my ping time is 350ms which is quite high, and Aardwolf works pretty well
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably if you download a ping app?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Fiendish are you part of the Blowtorch development? 
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no. I do the aardwolf mushclient package
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: ok cool, thanks for the help
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the blowtorch guy used to play here. I've actually forgotten his name so I can't check to see if he still does
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Ah, I was just wandering was going to ask when the mini window plugin will be released. 
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: the chat window is released
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: I know the chat window, im talkng about something else. 
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SsuperBosS goes, "OK".
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SsuperBosS Tech: the bt development is dead a few years now sadly...
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: nod, i saw on the forums posts. 
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ah, there we go. I believe Nocilis is the developer of blowtorch. he's been away for about 85 days.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Thank you Fiendish. 
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone know if bast's spellup has the ability to add spells to your spellup?  I seem to be adding them, but when I spellup, nothing happens.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}General Zoot Tech: I always type bsp list if I want to see what's up with my spell list for bast
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfit Tech: I just downloaded aardwolf version of Mushclient, anyone know how to get rid of the wolf water mark?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes!
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one sec
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#how-do-i-remove-or-change-the-aardwolf-logo-background-image-in-the-main-output
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: man people hate that wolf lol
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's not for everyone
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Heh I haven't had a problem with it.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kieran Tech: Aardwolves are much cuter
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think it also depends on your monitor
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: some monitors show it much brighter than others
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I dunno, I like having it back there, it never has bothered me.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Then again I use a Majora's Mask background on my terminal while I program.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I tried to make it pretty faded so it would blend into the black well
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: well, I appreciate the logo, so good job  ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish smiles happily.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kieran Tech: The idea of changing it actually never occurred to me
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can have it be whatever image you want
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: Is there a way to make it cycle through pictures?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: by replacing that file
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: cycle? I think the only way to do that right now would be to have something external cycle that file
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i knew there was something i wanted to tell you fiendish but couldn't remember. it just occured back to me
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfit Tech: awesome.  It looked good, I just didn't like it in the background
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish nods at Misfit.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: Ah. Thanks, Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: gmcp bars on the bottom: why not 1844/2041 (90%) instead of 1844/2041 ( 90%) (notice extra space before number 9)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: placeholder for the 1 in 100?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lobisomem: because when it goes to 100% it will jump
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well does it not jump all the same when my health goes from, say 999 to 1000?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: current and max?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I mean, the most realistic answer is probably because I thought it was the right thing to do at the time
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh i'm sure. :) i just pointed it out as a suggestion to get rid of the space
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i think it looks better without the space. maybe you had centering issues if you didn't put that space there it's what i'm guessing
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: maybe the calculations for centering that text is being done before the percentage is "defined" (and because of that assumed to be 4 characters in length)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oh, something I was thinking about fixing locally. If you somehow end up with negative experience, say fleeing at under 10, the experience bar on the stat bar freaks out. Are the plugins on github where I could submit a pull request if it isn't already done?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and so you might have decided to put the extra space in there just to not break the centering and not having to determine if the percentage is 3 or 4 chars in length and only then calculating centering
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: am i making sense?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Renoir: YES!
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Renoir: https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage   if you make a pull request, I probably won't enforce it but I prefer if you work on the development branch
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ( https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/tree/development )
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I definitely welcome pull requests with a few philosophical caveats
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I won't accept anything that knowingly tries to defy Lasher's desires for the game. I won't accept anything that I feel moves more toward making decisions for the player.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: any bug fixes or performance improvements I definitely welcome
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Sweet. I'll see what I can do then. Have to fork and pull.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: interesting. what would be an example of the former? (i know examples of the latter already)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean defy lasher's desires for the game
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: to be honest, I didn't know you could get to negative experience anymore
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you can and it does make the bar go wikd
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wild*
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lobisomem: someone asked for help recently developing a plugin that would unscramble scrambled GQ/CP mobs
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but doesn't that fall into the latter? (make decisions)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: unscrambling on its own doesn't make decisions. It does however go against what Lasher is trying to do, which is scramble names.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Happened to me a few times on my last(first) remort.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but yeah. that falls even better into the first because if they're scrambled, it's supposed to stay scrambled for the human eye :p
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i hope you don't program an unscrambler!
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: pause for dinner. I should be back later.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Ah, I assume the scrambling is to help prevent a script from doing the whole campaign/quest?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i assume so renoir
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well it will at least make it so people who can't program such an unscramble won't be able to do them like that :p
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: unscrambler*
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and those people (who can program such a thing) don't play for too long i don't think.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what do you mean?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I'd imagine. I could do it.  But I don't see any enjoyment in doing that.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i played a game where botting was allowed (frowned upon, but allowed nonetheless. owner's philosophy). i started to script until i was no longer playing at all, the game became "ai making"
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: here i am :D
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: don't get me wrong, it was fun while i was designing this ai
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: If you're capable of making a bot, making the bot is fun. I'll admit that. But once it works, I never care to keep it running.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: exactly
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's fun while you're making it. then everything becomes pointless
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: But this is a really fun game. I just started about two weeks ago. I wouldn't want to bot it. Make things easier yeah.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: scripting is like that. you make an alias, then you want to automate that alias, then you want to make automation smarter..
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: then if the game allows you'll certainly end up with a fully autonomous bot
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: once there's nothing left to improve, there's no reason to play anymore
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Right now, I found and set up Search and Destroy, and the mapper extender, and I've been setting up Keybinds to send the commands I'm always typing. I make sure anything that is more than getting information requires at least one key press per action.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: That's always been my personal rule for automation. Gives me something to aspire to, without letting myself get too out of hand with scripting.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I've always had that kind of fascination with games, games that allow you to automate and form this perfect system have always appealed to me...it's why I've always loved muds, with their triggers and aliases...course, stopping before "botting".
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah in aardwolf's case there's not much that you can do (legally) besides what has been done already
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's a fun game, fortunately, for those who like grinding heh
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: grinding is a funny thing. it's something peope always say they hate, but if it wasn't there, they would probably not be playing anymore
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: The tiering system let's it be different. If you really want the same old same old, you can stick to the same primary, but if you pick a different primary, you have to learn a new way of doing the same things.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: back
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: for those who use mushclient, does all the text appear properly? as in sometimes it looks like the text just paste on the prompt
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You need %c ending your prompt.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: All prompts should always end in %c
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: That's a MUD setting not MUSH.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: somehow when i added %c, my prompt event don't detect
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't know what that means
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what prompt event
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (also don't trigger on prompts. triggering on prompts is chaos)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i am using tintin++. mushclient should have something similar
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: What are you triggering?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Rather what should it do?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: just auto heal, it works with the messy screen but i just wanna make it pretty XD
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Auto heal is sketchy,unless you can turn it off.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: But you're better off using gmcp.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think technically you're equally well off using GMCP. But using GMCP lets you choose to see fewer prompts
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i am using both actually
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I just prefer GMCP over any kind of screen scraping where possible
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Regarding yiur trigger on prompt, how do you have it set?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ignore typos, on teamviewer through phone.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i use the prompt as a checking point, it will calculate everything and choose what to fire
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm too scared to use teamviewer right now
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: My mom said she was using teamviewer for something the other day and I was like "turn it off. now. I'll explain later."
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Never had issues with it.but now it locks my screen when i exit. i hate that.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: checks for sanctuary, checks if need to quaff etc
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Im just waiting for the bus to Syracuse atm.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/06/teamviewer-users-are-being-hacked-in-bulk-and-we-still-dont-know-how/
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Most likely,unless yourr ysing regex and have regex checked, you have misco figured your prompy.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: ah right i am using regexp
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: that make sense
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Hmm, I'll have to read that.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You have Regular Expression checked?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: see also https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4m7ay6/teamviewer_has_been_hacked_they_are_denying
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: hrm just tried it, when i use %c it doesn't fires my event
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: might have to go old school
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can't think of any sane reason that %c would break a trigger
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: What is your prompt vs. your trigger?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i am just using event heh
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: its like recieving GMCP
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: adding %c makes the prompt event not work, which is pretty interesting
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i will go read up on the forums and see if there is a solution
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I admit,I do 't understa d what you mean by event. Hmm.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: let me lookup mushclient terminology on that
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: does mushclient have something like "session connect" "session disconnect" ?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't understand the question.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Define "something"
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: on cmud there is OnConnect event
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: can't seem to find this feature on mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you didn't say you were looking for an event. the answer is yes, in plugins
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alt+enter -> scripting
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i am using tintin++ on mac XD
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lobisomem also has another way there
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Plugins get these event callbacks http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/doc.php?general=plugin_callbacks
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: think of it as build in function that do something when you connect to the mud, that will be a "session connect" event
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Taliyah You're using tintin++ to connnect to Aard, not running MUSHClient through Wine?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: hehe its ok, i will see if i can solve it, solving is part of the fun
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Session connect events for Aardwolf are actually quite dangerous and terrible for most circumstances
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i can do everything on tintin++, wine takes up too much resource
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what you really want is to know when you've gotten past login, which means you should wait for GMCP char.vitals
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (usually)
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: OnPluginBroadcast vs OnConnect?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: vs OnPluginConnect
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and it needs to be a particular broadcast
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: OnConnect that will be an event
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the connection event is useful only for a few things involving setting telopt flags
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Right. I actually need to update a plugin for that reason.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: yeah, there is also a prompt event too, but that doesn't seem to work with %c for some reason
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if your prompt event doesn't work with %c then your trigger pattern is bad
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: there is no pattern XD
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: its just #event {RECEIVED PROMPT}
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish snorts.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how do you think it knows when you received a prompt?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: its normally by telnet go ahead
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Aardwolf doesn't.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ah, I'm guessing you define your prmpt somewhere and tintin recognizes it internally, then...
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: its build in XD
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: hehe no worries guys, i will try to figure it out
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: thank you guys for your help
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Oh, Fiendish, that explains teamviewer sending emails asking you to add a trusted device if you try to log in on a new device.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Aardwolf definitely doesn't send telnet GA.
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: at least not to me
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: its ok, love everything about this mud. won't be picky with this tiny flaw
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: where should i put "require 'gmcphelper.lua'" in order to use all of its routines everywhere and not have to require it again?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: before wherever you want to use it
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfit Tech: how do you turn off command line echo to your display?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfit Tech: when using aardwolf mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alt+enter: general -> input -> commands -> echo my input
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: erm
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: remove the "general" from there
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alt+enter: input -> commands -> echo my input
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfit Tech: ah thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: mush problem. cant stretch the main output win and the input text is fat now. what did i do?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: can't do what?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mapper portals don't support conditions do they? (chaos portals & gqs)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is that something you advocate against?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I forget what I decided about that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's something that you can work around by curating your own lists of which portals you want to use when
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so it's low priority
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm how can i do that again?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: using mapper fullportal
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm.. an alias that would remove the non-golden chaos portals and re-add them once gq is over you mean?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: two lists of portals, one for gqs and one for not. purge all portals, re-add all from the list you want
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or remove the non-goldens only, however you prefer
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm that's actually enough solution
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean good enough
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: didn't think about that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: btw. let me suggest a "compact mode" for the mapper too :D (and every plugin for that matter)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: compact for the mapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how so
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there's a blank like after every room note
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and after mapper commands
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: like adding portals
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: heh. uhh...why? just cosmetic?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah heh
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'll add it to the list, but like so far at the end that I'll never get to it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i can code it for you
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: at least _that_ is something i can do
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sure go ahead. work on the development branch please.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'll just declare a variable, add an alias, add it to mapper help somewhere, make it check for that variable whenever a blank line is going to be sent :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sounds grea
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: send a pull request for that and I'll be happy to add it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: will do
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what files will i need to edit? mapper.lua and plugin or just mapper.lua?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: depends on where the prints occur, I guess
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and it'll be aardmapper.lua not mapper.lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cool. i guess i'll just start hunting them
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: huh. I should just remove mapper.lua I guess
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i need to pull the whole mushclient folder then i assume?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how well do you know git/github?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem doesn't know how the whole pulling thing works.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i know it's something coders use :p and that's it LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ah. well. it's going to be a pain in the ass then.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is it that complicated?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: git is quite stupidly complicated
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. that's not good
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: once you have a github account, you fork the repository. then you clone from your forked copy. then you switch to the development branch. then you make your changes. then you commit. then you push back to origin development. then you submit a pull request.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ahh so the "pull" request is the last thing?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "pull request" is a github thing
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the first and last steps are done through github. the others are done through your local git
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh so i need to install software?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yup, lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: technically you don't
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can actually edit files directly in github, but man is that messy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hehe i thought i was going to edit online :P but i can do that, just not at work
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can edit online if you want, and you skip all the middle clone/commit/push steps
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: since i'm not going to write too much code, maybe editing online would work for my case?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to do that, make a github account, fork the repository, switch over to development branch via the dropdown, edit the files
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: actually, I think if you try to edit the files on my repo github will automatically make a fork for you
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so you might be able to skip that step even
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there's just one small little "problem".xcp
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i forked it anyway.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: problem.xcp?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: was gonna say i might choose suboptimal places to declare variables etc (not just variables, but suboptimal code in general :p)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: don't care
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: started typing, alt+tabed to fork, alt+tabed back, decided to check my cp = problem.xcp
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably not, anyway. what you described early sounds perfect and quite straightforward
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: earlier
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: where do you store the variable for the "fast" mode for pathfinding?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean where is it declared?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: fast mode?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which fast mode
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mapper quicklist
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ahh
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sec
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'll show you how to find it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in aard_GMCP_mapper.xml search for "quicklist" and you jump to an alias definition. see that it calls script "quick_mode_toggle". search for quick_mode_toggle and you jump to a function that toggles a variable called quick_mode
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: all aliases go into aard_GMCP_mapper.xml, btw
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah awesome
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (I think they have to, because aardmapper.lua isn't plugin xml)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh yeah at least that much i know hehe yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you search around the file for quick_mode you'll find things like....
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: quick_mode = ((GetVariable("quick_mode") or "1") == "1") -- default true     which loads the saved value at startup
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and    SetVariable("quick_mode", (quick_mode and "1") or "0")   in the OnPluginSaveState function
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: this is actually a bit silly of me. there's not a good reason to wait until OnPluginSaveState to store that instead of storing it right away when it changes
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: please switch over to the development branch for your work
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or you'll be looking at a file very different than what I'm going to release next
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Note("COMPACT MODE is ON: Mapper output won't send blank lines. Please report if you see any.") how's that?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. how do i switch to development branch of my fork? (did i fork the non-development branch?)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how do i remove a commit? (i edited the main branch. want to "undo" and edit development branch instead)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: there's a dropdown menu
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: remove an edit? I doubt you can easily
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Where it says "Branch: MUSHclient" change it to development
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: bah i can just delete the fork and refork? is that easy?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: couldn't find the button
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: uh...if you click the Settings gear button, it'll be at the bottom
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: SetVariable ("window_hidden", window_hidden and "1" or "0")
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: SetVariable("quick_mode", (quick_mode and "1") or "0")
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is the lack of ()s relevant?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: in the first
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm assuming it isn't but i wanted to double check since there are ()s for quickmode and shownotes (both default to true by mapper config code) while there arent ()s for windowhidden (whose default is false)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in Lua "x and y or z" is shorthand for "if x is true then the result is y else the result is z"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so if you do, e.g., print(true and "A" or "B") it'll print A, and if you do print(false and "A" or "B") it will print B
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so the first doesn't have ()s on purpose because it defaults to false or something?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: eh, in general extra parentheses don't hurt anything
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah cool. i assume you did the others (quick and shownotes) in a later moment and decided ()s would be nice? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if anything I'd say you can remove them from the second
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alright. i'll add my code without the extra ()s but i'll leave yours so you can remove them yourself if you merge
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: part of what makes this project perhaps not my finest work is that I don't maintain a style guide for it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I just do whatever happens to feel nice at the time
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so variable names have wildly inconsistent style all over the place
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and that's why i would be a slow as f**k coder if a coder that could get anything done at all since that would make my brain go nuts
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to go through it and clean any of that stuff up, go for it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cool
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lemme see if i can manage to add this (compact mode) at all first though heh
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is everything either in xml or aardmapper.lua?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: for the mapper yes
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that was easier than i expected :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well i think i'm done.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what do i do next?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: next you make a pull request by clicking "Pull Request"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it should be in line with the part that says "This branch is 2 commits ahead of Fiendish:development"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I wish zugg would come back :(
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I wish zugg had integrated a real language instead of making his own terrible one that you've gotten used to
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I wish zugg had never called an associative array a database, because it isn't one. I wish instead he'd used the word "dictionary" like everyone else does for the thing that maps a key to a value
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I wish something other than a terrible language like lua were our standard
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lua is a great and very fast language with a nonexistent standard library
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i love lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but then zscript also doesn't have a standard library, so that's kind of a sideways move
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: should have gone with python
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: python is massive by comparison
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ctrl+f "ahead" gives me zero results. i clicked "pull requests" tabs and i have a "create a pull request" link. :p i assume that's the guy?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's not where I'd look
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but maybe
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: look on this page https://github.com/VBMeireles/aardwolfclientpackage/tree/development
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: found it. do you want me to writing anything anywhere? just pull and confirm?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: but I don't like the look of some things and I can't modify them.  Even modifying the stats readout was a gigantic pain.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lobisomem: ehhhh, whatever you think is best
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alright
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hey that was quite fun to be honest lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: and still no good (or, well, no) zscript to lua translation guide I'm aware of.  I'd write it but it would be patchy at best
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i might want to do that more often. i was expecting it to be more complicated. also expected more Note("")s.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Citlalin: the python interpreter dll is 10 times larger and like 1000 times slower than LuaJIT
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: please get rid of the Note function too, just use print.  mush has a lot of these little deviations from standard lua that make learning it harder.  Colour note and the other clunky text coloring methods are all bad.  aard's use of @C is spot on, and cmud's %ansi() is straightforward too.  In mush it's hard to finagle it into making the kinds of colored readouts that I use in cmud.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you don't have to use Note if you don't want to
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the note function is just horrible, can't put color in it, it's so bad
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can use ColourNote or AnsiNote
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: redundant and horrible
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and I've already written functions that convert aardwolf color codes into mushclient styles and ansi codes
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: in cmud I can do all of that with just #SAY (or #SHOW if I want the displayed line to fire triggers)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: they're in https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Color-Functions
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: that's not the issue.  The issue is that to make a colored readout like I use, I have to use long clunky function names to do it, it's awful
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: colournote this, ansinote that, just use print !
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: fiendish what options do i have to use python with mush running on wine... in case you know
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want, you can set print = AnsiNote
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: then when you call print you'll actually be calling AnsiNote instead
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: great, now if the annoying syntax for specifying the color were fixed, it might be ok
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh yeah, I forgot that MUSHclient also lets you use python if you have it installed
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so there's your python
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: but how to use it on wine?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Jedhi: checking 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: zugg gets a lot wrong too I'm sure and some of the finagling you have to do some things in cmud is interesting but the language is easier to learn if you're coming from a background of little to no programming.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish does my work end with the pull request? anything else i need to do besides wait for the release?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: switching to lua from that is just an ordeal
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i think on wine it is not so trivial
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: as i have little use for python install on my linux
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=8400
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: if mush had something like cmud's status window, where you can easily modify it just by adding text and variable references.  you don't need to write a whole program for it the way you would in mush.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: jedhi: ^
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: fiendish tnx... though it is a major hassle
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it seems like a slight hassle
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and it's definitely not easily portable
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I want a pup time readout?  I put @puptime in it, which variable is set via the trigger that goes off when I pup.  That's it.  I don't need to write half an OS to get it to work, in mush you do.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: it would be nice if someone would write platform agnostic mud client
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem lols at "half an os" :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: seriously, writing the most simple readouts in mush feels like that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lobisomem: if I accept the request then your work ends there
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: oh well, mush is the client of the masses, esp. with a large prewritten package
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cmud crashes all the time
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: citlalin check this puptracker: https://gist.github.com/keevitaja/ac5c395e51abf17ed02eb6c64062be20
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: zmud is slow as f**k
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: Everything crashes all the time
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mush doesn't
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: thats untrue lob :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: although I did have this weird random hang that would come up a lot but I fixed that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: it is not as pretty as others, but it does the job
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well that's my experience
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mushclient never crashes for me at least
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i used zmud back in the time.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: nod nod fiendish... we run it on linux. LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and tried using it again a year back or so
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish looks at Jedhi and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it just feels so damn slow
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: see now how in the bleeding hell would I modify that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and i tried cmud. it just keeps crashing
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I think my pup tracker consists of maybe 10 lines
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mush doesn't crash for me
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it has some problems sometimes, but it doesn't crash
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I didn't switch to mushclient because it was easier to use. I switched to mushclient because it can do more.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and the problems seem to be windows version/compiler related
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: It can do more if you can program it, which most of us can't
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: since they're gui related problems (again, that's my experience)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and Nick is a crazy weird old man who gets bored if he's not making something
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nick is awesome
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: tell him to port zscript to mush :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there's that too
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zscript is a terrible language that needs to die
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: nod... 100% of the mudscripts are. they all are useless
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: besides none of your complaints have anything to do with zscript vs lua.  you're complaining about the client API
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the mushclient API is accessible from like 5 different languages
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: each time when i get a chance, i will complain about lua as well. i hate it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: seriously, dump that crap in the toilet and flush it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: somebody join me in pressuring fiendish into making an aard client from scratch with c++ and lua and that's it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lua just happens to have slightly better access because it has multiple returns from functions and is faster and more portable so Nick likes it better
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: but at least lua is not useless
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Lobi, better lets make him to use something agnostic... like electron.js :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: and the way mush yells at you with that awful orange text whenever you mess up, hate it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you know mushclient source code is on github. you can change and recompile it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: at least consider some kind of halfway point between zscript and lua to help us zugg addicts to kick the habit?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I know for a fact that it builds with Visual Studio Community Edition, which is free
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I can't even get a script to store data ffs, how stupid do you think that makes me feel
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Citlalin why don't you start with basics? before you can write plugins you should learn lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: all of the f'ing pricks just go LOLMYSQL which is a programming language in itself
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: you do not have to be an expert...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: i'd love to port away from cmud as much as I like it, because the clock's ticking on it and one day it will break for good.  but jesus christ, the amount of code you need for even the most basic things just gives me a massive headache
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I dont know what you mean by most basic
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I mean basic things like that readout of your stats and whatnot.  I was expecting something easy to modify but it's a huge bloody program.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because, like, maybe drawing a line on the screen is really basic but I don't think cmud can do it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: GMCP is kinda basic, zmud doesn't do that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: read out your stats to where?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and from what?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: just changing the color of the brackets in it required digging through the entire file, making sure I was changing the correct brackets (which were stored as *variables* ffs.  i mean, good lord.  whoever wrote that was insane or just evil
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: what file? you want to know how to receive gmcp data in mush?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can send you what I sent to frostpaw about using gmcp in mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i think he wants to persist some data into a file because he thinks it should be easier than the database
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: don't like all the options on every little thing either.  too complicated.  if I want to modify a display config on my cmud panel I just edit the panel, which is simple and doesn't require programming a variable just do make a [
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i think he is ignoring ... never answers to me :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: it must be terrible to stare at cyan brakets...I feel for you
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: lol, wat?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: the brackets in the stat tracker...that's the color no? :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: eh, i figured he was talking about some highlighted brackets in code
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the section just to display your character stats in that little panel amounts to PAGES.  The stats readout in my cmud window is three lines.  It's just three variables that are set by a very simple gmcp trigger.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i changed mine too. make it more compact (laptop screen etc)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but yeah it's kind of massive heh because of the way miniwindows behave
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: however i didn't care about understanding it all, i just "followed the pattern" and made my modifications
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the code to set those variables and format them is 19 lines
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the program for that tiny little readout in mush is a book
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: mushclient/aardclient is good ONLY IF you have no aspirations to ever customize your mudclient at all.  Simple as that.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: if you are not a programmer, FORGET trying to customize any of the scripts because it's not doable
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: zscript may be 'terrible' but at least I don't need a masters in computer science to be able to do things with it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: that is what is wrong with lua, to use it you need to be a programmer, and an accomplished one at that.  I guess it probably stops a lot of botting if it's impossible for them to write one.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: lua is easy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: that's opinionated
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't think lua is that different from any other language i've tried to learn
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: a single stat in that readout requires LINES OF CODE to display.  What the hell and why?  On what planet does that make any sense?  It's stupid
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: thats a coding implementation, its not lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: well it's bad
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: you could implement zscript in lua, attach it to mushclient and i *think* you would be happy - but its obvious you cant do it, you need someone else to do it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: fiendish's aardclient looks pretty at all but it's like a modern car, horribly complex, impossible to work on
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: and god only knows what kind of hidden logging or similar it has in it.  non-programmer players would never know.  I doubt it actually has any but it could be done and never noticed.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: source code is there. to say that there's "logging" of some sort = conspiracy theory that fiendish and everybody else who can read it are conspiring to f**k you :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: there isnt enough of a need to implement zscript for mushclient (or a simpler interface for non programmers) because the programmers find lua does what they need done
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: only hidden thing i have found in it is keylogger. nothing more
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Happily, Rumour Tech: this is a no curse channel please, don't mask the words either, thanks.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: yes, the programmers of lua and screw the rest of uts
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh. sorry.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: well fiendish and many others have shared their works, hardly doing what you said right?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: IIRC you can also use Python with Mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can use almost any language with MUSHclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: but it wouldn't let me use mumps :(
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: eh i'm not a programmer and picked up lua in maybe 1-2 weeks?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's not really difficult
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I'm not knocking them for sharing.  Sharing is great.  But at least share something that can be easily modified by a non-programmer.  Those plugins that come with mush?  impossible, no way in hell I can hope to ever comprehend that.  it's bloatware 100%.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i dont think its the language, i think its the mushclient interface is too low level for his liking
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vbscript, jscript, python, perl, tcl, php and ruby are all supported by MUSHclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exactly.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: even interfacing with gmcp is a torture
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's because GMCP is a pretty advanced implementation
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: nod korr, i would not say screw you as well... but i could easily say "i think they are trying to screw us" ... refereing to some client or a supllier
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and this was mis
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're dealing with low-level subnegotiation, which really isn't meant to be done as designed, and you're dealing with tables of data...but Lua makes dealing with the tables of data easy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: and I still can't figure out how to take a bloody cmud dbvar and convert it into a lua table containing the same data.  it's stupid, and it makes me feel stupid too.  I know it can be done but it is just so verbose and dense
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i think Citlalin just likes to complain
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: phone calls from unfun uptightonia are never fun
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he does
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: no, I like modifying my scripts.  complaining is just a waste in the end because nobody will explain to me how to turn a bloody dbvar into a table
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he could've had his dbvars all in MUSHclient 6 months ago if he spent less time whining about it and just did it :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since dbvar doesn't exist in MUSHclient, you would do that part in zmud...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so whine about what zmud is doing rather than MUSHclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: RentAnImm Korridel nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we had this same conversation with you months ago
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i think yesterday it was on gossip
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: "since a dbvar doesn't exist in mush" I know that you useless troll.  I just want to create the equivalent of one.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT TO ME are or you just going to give your usual worthless, useless lip?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: O.O
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: what is dbvar?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, if you knew that, then you wouldn't be asking how to turn dbvar into a table USING MUSHCLIENT
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: was that hatelinc? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and as I said, we had this entire conversation regarding exporting your dbvars from zmud and importing them into MUSHclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm...guess cit's got me on ignore...nevermind :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the worst part of learning lua are the people who "help" you with it here.  they are awful.  "Just use SQL"  I can't make heads or tails of it. "hahahaha sux 4 u then!"  worthless.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i can help if you actually want to learn
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you want database functions, you use a database...it's a pretty basic concept...you can approximate some of it with tables, but it's like using a spreadsheet for a database...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: but if you need to rant a bit more, im off to bed :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: might as well go to bed then :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: unless you can dumb your talk down to idiot level, most of it would go over my head anyhow
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: unless you can dumb your talk down to idiot level, most of it would go over my head anyhow
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i wanna learn sql, but i really just need to set some time to read about it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: back from doing something else. reading through history.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: if you want, i can share my db abstraction layer (a small one) with you cit. makes queries and fetching so much easier... though you still need to know sql
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's pretty much about learning the syntax and the mush functions that operate them
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: sql syntax
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: ive been avoiding sql all my life. i dont like the name of it. sounds complicated by itself already
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: can't make heads or tails of it.  took one look at the intro to learning it and i'd have a better chance trying nahuatl
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the gmcp handler is just bad, shouldn't mush support gmcp natively the way cmud does?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: or have an "idiot syntax" plugin for it, the way I can just do %gmcp.char.stats.str here?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: somebody should write a _very_ basic, lobisomem proof (dumb proof), guide on how to read and write lines from sqlite files
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: or point me out to one if such a thing already exists (remember it has to be lobi proff0
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: proof :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't read/write lines from sqlite files...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: there goes abelinc spouting blasphemy again
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you make sql queries which reads or writes to the files
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oddly enough they aren't binary files, but you really should treat them as such
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: abelinc just gives condescending, worthless advice.  do your favor and ignore this troll
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: citlalin?  Hmmmm.... Vapid?  Banal?  Pedantic?  Supercilious?  Feckless?  Pick one or all.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in his presence.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: all you'd need for lob's guide would be things like "Here is a set of data.  To put this piece of the data in it, type this command.  To put the next piece, type this.  To remove the piece, do that.  You don't need to know the entire historical backstory on the 'store' command or whatever.  just simple examples of it, which when all of them are done, store the original human-readable table in an SQL database.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: "then, to read person-X's age and store it in a lua variable, type this:" and things of that nature
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: first you'd need to create the database and its schema...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: not lobi proof then :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: because of the schema
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm scrolling through history. I guess I'll answer to things as I get to them. Hopefully I catch up.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "the section just to display your character stats in that little panel amounts to PAGES.  The stats readout in my cmud window is three lines.  It's just three variables that are set by a very simple gmcp trigger."  - equivalently using the panel instead of a miniwindow would also take about three lines
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the "status panel"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "a single stat in that readout requires LINES OF CODE to display.  What the hell and why?  On what planet does that make any sense?  It's stupid" - Formatting. I guess I'm ok with being stupid.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: for example, an sql database is to contain each day of the week, the number of that day in the week, and which class I need to go to on that day.  what commands would I need to type to make the computer do that in SQL.  I don't need to know that SQL stores lines in a file, I get that.  I dont need to know the technical details of how it works.  I just want to make that table.  Once I can make that table, then I can make any other table I want.  That would be easy.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I format my readout the same way and it doesn't require 12 lines of text to put strength in the right place
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "and god only knows what kind of hidden logging or similar it has in it" - god, and me, and anyone else who cares to look at the code
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and that very table is explained in many sql tutorials...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "Those plugins that come with mush?  impossible, no way in hell I can hope to ever comprehend that." - other people do though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: do you know how far I had to dig into that file just to change the color of a bracket?  but oh, no wait.  I just wanted to change the color of one bracket... but they all changed.  horribly and needlessly complex
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: actually, that's well written
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: if you just want to use it, you're golden.  if you want to customize it, you're screwed.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've customised my package of aardmush heavily to improve my botting!
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you bother to ask? Fiendish changes them all the time based on people's requests...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "even interfacing with gmcp is a torture" - actually: require "gmcphelper";print(gmcp("room.info.name")) seems pretty clean to me
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: tried to copy that syntax to make a different one that I could color separately but nope, orange yelling
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: mush is awful for people who want to learn programming.  it's great for people who know nothing, and it's great for experts.  the rest of us?  shut up and deal
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shorty grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, I know of a half dozen Aard players who actually became professional programmers based on their start with scripting here...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Hypertrophic anal papilae
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "I still can't figure out how to take a bloody cmud dbvar and convert it into a lua table containing the same data" - cmud dbvars are the stupid backwards thing here, not lua tables. I'm sorry you spent time learning something bad.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: " the worst part of learning lua are the people who "help" you with it here." - yeah. we're just awful.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: " "Just use SQL"  I can't make heads or tails of it" - I don't think I've ever seen that particular advice given
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: all I know is I knew nothing of zscript and within a day of opening a zscript scrip in a text file, I was able to modify that script, add new fields to it, change the colors, do math with it, and even fake floating point (zmud didn't support floating point math)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: can't do that with lua.  could spend a year on that and get nowhere.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: " took one look at the intro to learning it and i'd have a better chance trying nahuat" - I know you've managed to learn at least one word of nahuatl though. So that's a start.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: fiendish I didn't ask you for your opinion on dbvars
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe you should 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry, back to channel history...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I asked how do I create a table containing the same info.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Starling: You know that you should just see if you can find it on mushclient forums or ask Nick Gammon in the forum a question when Fiendish is not around.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "the gmcp handler is just bad, shouldn't mush support gmcp natively the way cmud does?" - should is based on preference. GMCP is an entirely arbitrary use of IAC SB, not any kind of actual standard
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I don't care about dbvars, I care about the data they contain.  if I could convert my dbvars to lua tables, I would be able to import everything from cmud to mush, and then forget cmud.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Starling?  Really?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's pretty obvious
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Jesus, makes sense now :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "or have an "idiot syntax" plugin for it" - require "gmcphelper";print(gmcp("char.stats.str"))
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: Look, I don't want to be angry here.  I just want to know how to convert my damn dbvar info into lua table info.  I can already write a script to build text files so if I knew how to convert I would just write a script to do it and be done.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "and even fake floating point (zmud didn't support floating point math" - I suspect you mean fake fixed point. floating point math is actually quite complex, and supported natively by Lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "I asked how do I create a table containing the same info." - I gave you two 5-minute tutorial links for learning how to use tables in Lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what happened to them?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I had to multiply the numerator by 100000, divide by the original divisor, and than make the code insert a period where I wanted the decimal point to be.  It worked, but good lord what a system
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: over my head
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: did you look at them and have specific points of confusion that could be clarified by someone knowledgable like myself?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: have you considered using any other language like ruby, python, etc?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if all of them are over your head maybe the problem isn't with lua
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: i don't remember, the whole thing was just disheartening
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I have other hobbies now so aard has kind of become secondary so if cmud dies it will be less of a loss
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the thing that said "here is how you make a table", "here is how you put things into a table", "here is why you use tables", "these are things you can do with tables" was disheartening, but cmud's janky and terrible dbvar wasn't?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I had no trouble with them
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: then have no trouble with Lua tables too
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the only things I understand is that some tables are more like a numbered list and others are basically junk drawers where items get thrown into it, you can read the list in order but pulling items from the junk bin you just get what you get
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: beyond that, chinese
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: A lua table can either be a sequentially ordered list or a dictionary of key=value pairs
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the difference is whether you use string keys or number keys
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in both cases they're still key=value, just that if the key is a number Lua says "I can sort these!"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MySequentialList = {"A","B","C"} is the same as MySequentialSequence = {[1]="A", [2]="B", [3]="C"} is the same as MySequentialSequence = {[2]="B", [1]="A", [3]="C"}
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MyKeyValueDictionary = {["a"]="A", ["b"]="B", ["c"]="C"} is not guaranteed to be internally the same as MyKeyValueDictionary = {["b"]="B", ["a"]="A", ["c"]="C"}  because when you use strings as your keys Lua doesn't use them to determine sequence
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: they will both behave the same when you look for MyKeyValueDictionary["a"] though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: likewise you can look for MySequentialList[1]
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: that's what I mean by junk drawer
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's actually called a dictionary
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or an associative array, or a map.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: i mean in the sense of no guaranteed order in which things are stored
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: i have no problem with that, it's just the nesting and whatnot
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the difference and why they're different becomes obvious when you stick with the [] lookup and assignment syntax. 1,2,3,4 have a numerically established order. "1","2","3","4" do not.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MySequentialList and MyKeyValueDictionary can store anything you want as the value. It doesn't have to be "A", "B", and "C". It can be MyOtherSequentialList or MyOtherKeyValueDictionary.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the same rules apply, and the same syntax applies
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MySequentialList[1] = MyOtherSequentialList  or   MySequentialList[1] = {"a","b","c"}  and so on
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and since you've put MyOtherSequentialList in this example into MySequentialList[1], you likewise get it back with MySequentialList[1]
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: And in the same way that you use [1] to look at the first thing in MySequentialList, to look at the first thing in MyOtherSequentialList you do MySequentialList[1][1]
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: And I can store those in .lua files, and then in my script file just require them in, and they're now available to the other scripts?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because remember MySequentialList[1] is the same as MyOtherSequentialList and the first item in MyOtherSequentialList is MyOtherSequentialList[1]
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want, I guess
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you have a mytables.lua file in the lua folder and it contains something like MySequentialList = {"A","B","C"} then when you require "mytables" you will have a MySequentialList variable
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to use SetVariable/GetVariable to store it, unfortunately those only support saving basic types and not tables, so you have to convert the table to a string and then convert it back from a string to a table. this is called serializing and deserializing.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you might consider telling Nick on his forum that manually serializing and deserializing is kind of a hassle and wouldn't it be neat if MUSHclient just kinda did that under the hood for you
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: because with what you're describing I could have a list MobsByAreaName, then MobsByAreaName[1] could be AreaAfterglow, and a reference to MobsByAreaName[1][1] might give me the mobname from MobsAfterglow[1].  Assuming in this case that the tables are the first entries in the preceding table?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: it seems simple enough but I can never get it to work, no explanation for it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: MobsByAreaName[1][1] would assume MobsByAreaName[1] is a table
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: maybe I will go download mushclient as a blank client, no aardclient.  that might be easier without all the distractions
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if MobsByAreaName[1] is not itself a table then of course trying to use [1] on it will fail and give an error saying that it's not a table. like you can't do nil[1]
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: probably easier to use key value table for what you're trying to do
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I mean 1 is a key, it's just a numeric key
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: this is why I prever the [key] syntax for both kinds of table over switching between that and .key
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I suppose I can always try to pay someone to write a lua script for me if I needed it.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sure, I charge $200/hour
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: google wallet and venmo transfers both accepted
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: e.g. MobsByAreaName= {["AreaAfterglow"]={[1]={mobname="A mob",mobroom="Room A"},[2]={mobname="B mob",mobroom="Room B"}}
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so MobsByAreaName["AreaAfterglow"][1][mobname] == "A mob"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: something like that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd probably skip the [1]= [2]= part after a while, but I guess it's good for a novice to have them there at first
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I even have the source code right here.  tried to translate it to zscript and almost could, but its dbvars couldn't nest enough levels
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yeah funny how dbvars are pretty awful
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: oh, making them store a third level is hellish.  i figured it out but clearly cmud was never meant for real programmers.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: lua code itself is less confusing, I can't write it well but if I read over it I can guess the gist of what is going on
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: https://gist.github.com/Badgerati/3261142
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: that's the one
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: looks like someone's trying to circumvent anti-bot measures!
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: there is a page that demonstrates its operation graphically, and it made a lot more sense.  cmud can't do it.  maybe cmud lua can, but then you have to use the zs.object syntax to tie it back in to zscript
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: you can probably guess what will happen once i do make that work.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you'll get nuked again? lololol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: lack of millisecond precion timer in much is crummy too, unless they added one
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: 'wildcards' confuses me as well.  I thought wildcards were things like * and ?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: original point stands though, mush is great for people who download an interface and never customize it behind dragging the windwos around.  it's great for programmers.  but for those wanting to write up their own ad hoc plugins, they're mostly stuck.  so being in that group it's frustrating.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: funny, my timers have like nanosecond accuracy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I mean a timer to make a function wait
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: gammon's site has timer script/function on it but it only does integer seconds
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: you can't wait 2.5 seconds, for example
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not sure what you're talking about, but that's not true
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: did he change it?  it used to be integer seconds "because internet links are too slow and you would never notice the precision due to network latency" is what gammon said about it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: timers don't go through internet
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's a client thing
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I know that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: but that is what gammon said
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i wait(0.1) in my cexits
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: some of them
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: works perfectly
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: must be internal to the mapper
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: for writing own scripts there is a wait script but the only one I could find would do integer seconds only
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: require "wait"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish sighs.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: gammon's explanation was "timing things to fractions of a second would be pointless, network latency is so random and so high that you could never precisely time the recept of your message.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: link please
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: for example, autocast is legal here.  rules say so.  A combat round is 3.0 seconds.  If my autocast immediately fires on a new round, I am now lagged from all actions for the next 3 seconds.  But if I make it wait 2.5 seconds before firing, I can still do commands in those 2.5 seconds and those commands will always preempt the autocast's command.  So if I need to heal NOW, I want to do it NOW, not wait 3 seconds for attack lag to clear.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yeah that's great, nobody else has a problem doing that though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: as long as the attack spell is fired within the 3.0 second round, it resolves within that round.  so if I fire it at 2.7 seconds or so, I land the cast.  But if I need a heal NOW, then I can preempt the attack cast and use the heal instead.  No waiting
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and so we go in circles
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: can you provide the link you're looking at so I can find you a newer one that contradicts it?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: this is the one I found on gammon's site  http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=4956
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: where does that say you can only do whole seconds?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: there was some other thread on it, let me see
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: and also, note that he is giving all delays in seconds.  why not milliseconds?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because he likes it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and why do you keep saying milliseconds? you're only talking about tenths of seconds.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I can't seem to find the post, was on gammon's forum though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: this was months ago though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what was?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: no ide
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: fractional timers were added at the end of 2004
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: can they make a script wait before taking an action?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: cmud has #wait and it's actually threaded properly now, no longer screws up script timing
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no idea what you mean
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but probably yes
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: so can it make a function wait for 2.5 seconds?  Or 1.3?  The documentation says seconds, not milliseconds.  Generally you enter such time in milliseconds don't you?  i'm sorry, this isn't for me.  thanks for your time.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: it would be a LOT easier if I could acually play the game while working on the script at the same time but the mush editor stuff and the multiplaying rules kill that :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: how do you edit a plugin once you create it?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you have to edit the xml file. no other way
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: it's just a lua file before you do the 'create plugin' thing on it isn't it?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: before the plugin is "created" (wizard), it's pretty much composed of the stuff that was in your world file (aliases/triggers/timers etc) and the script file that's loaded into your world
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: once the plugin is created. everything is put into one single xml file that you have to edit if you want to change anything
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: is there any way I could look at another player's script file so I can have an idea of what one is supposed to look like?  mine is going to be nigh unsearchabout before long
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what do you mean by "another player"'s script file? that's in their computer? if you mean another plugin's "script file", that's what's between the CDATA tags in the plugin's XML
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: and the plugin and its data are self-contained?  You have to set up the plugin to have a specific 'data port' for each value of information (e.g. health, and mana) and the only information leakage from the plug in is via calls to the names of the 'ports' ?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: whatever is in the script file you have loaded gets put there when you create the plugin (by default. the plugin wizard lets you make adjustements the moment you create the plugin i think)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: exactly
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: variables and functions are encased in the plubin. can't call from the outside. i learned that the hard way
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galadar Tech: anybody good with creating buttons on the andrioid app? its only allowing me to create 1 button on a new set and can only edit buttons on the default set
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you can make the plugin broadcast, or use CallPluginFunction() or something like that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the lua script file that they use, or old version of one.  I have no idea on how to format it optimally, or how long one is, or what kinds of things I should put into it.  no idea what the typical 'requires' are at the top.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no required needed unless you're using routines that are declared/created in other lua files (and so you need to "require" those files)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: in other words, you don't need to require anything until you know you need to require something heh :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I just want to look at a functional setup because the way I set up cmud barely translates to mush.  I do like the enable triggergroup function though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you'll pretty much need to know the lua syntax and the lua functions that mush has implemented. that's what people work with
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that list of functions in mush's website covers them all
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: anything not there that's used somewhere was implemented by third parties in a lua file. have to "require 'file.lua'" use it. for example: tprint, wait
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: serialize
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: the real irritations are not fiendish's doing at all.  they're gammon's.  Note, ansinote... no, sorry ANSInote, and colournote are totally not needed.  If you want to make a function to display a line on screen, it should just be "echo", and color changes being simple sequences like %ansi() or .  Not this [23.66] or even worse, raw ansi sequences.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: hell, for what it does, the aardclient is an amazing accomplishment.  It's probably done more good for aard than any other player contribution by far.  I'm not harping on the aardclient per se, I'm harping on mush at this point.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mushclient source code is on github. you can fix those issues.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I think it was written with programmer-types as the main audience, it's gone more 'mainstream' because it's free, not because it's optimal for the average user.  It's "powerful" but programmers say that.  Zmud on the other hand was designed to be easy to script, while sacrificing power.  If mush had a language like zscript, I'd switch now.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe Nick doesn't want to convert people who think that zscript is good
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I don't care that zscript is useless for anything that isn't zmud.  i like it because it's easy and can do most of the things that I would be doing if I switch to lua, so it makes it harder to justify training to write lua when I would get no substantial gain
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I thought he cared about making something to improve mudding experience
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: adding a zscript idiots language would certainly do that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't think so
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i have to kind of agree with fiendish
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: it would be selected just as python and the others are selected if that's what the programmer wants to use
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't think you can actually script without having to learn how to script if you get what i mean
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: why not?  then the straggling cmud holdouts could finally make the switch
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if you don't know how to script you're not scripting, you're using an interface somebody made so you can achieve stuff his script allows you to achieve
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: maybe allow each plugin to run on its own language rather than all depending on the central language setting
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'll even take the opportunity to say aardpackage is too customizable to my taste
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: maybe 90% of the code is there to allow for customization
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you still don't know the difference between the language being used and the client API
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'd much rather have a more straightforward code that i could modify myself to "customize" it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: note, colournote, ansinote, etc are not language features
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: THAT is the problem, Lob
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zscript, on the other hand, doesn't have an elseif
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: that little stat readout?  IT IS ALL FORMATTING CODE
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which is pretty hilarious
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: every time you ask for zscript, you don't even know what you're actually asking for and are talking about something else
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that bit is true. but since we're talking about the statmon specifically. i don't think it's that much of a work to understand how stuff gets together and try to mod it.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: yes, I know zscript doesn't have an elseif, thank you, every time I have to nest an #if I am reminded
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: to be honest. i didn't read anything else in statmon's plugin but the part that puts stuff in each place. i modified it and i'm pretty happy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: you can nest 11 #if's iirc :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: now if you really want to modify MORE, i don't think it would be fair to want to be able to do it without being able to script
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: now if you really want to modify MORE, i don't think it would be fair to want to be able to do it without being able to script
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sorry
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: about the double com
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zmud and cmud do 2 nice things. #sub and float/lock/dockable subwindows. everything else is pretty bad.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish: good moment to ask this question
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if mushclient abstracted the process of making miniwindows into actual mini windows, 90% of the code would be gone
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (90% of the plugin code)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well, not really, but a good chunk of it would
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is the _only_ output what makes mush fast or something? i mean why no support for "native" dockable windows etc in mush?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MUSHclient was written in MFC. it's a giant task to change that.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MFC just doesn't support that construct
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: microsoft foundation classes?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also the reason why you couldn't build MUSHclient with a free version of visual studio until this year, because MFC support wasn't free until now
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm does that mean i can download mush code, install msvs, compile it and solve the full screen problem? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how good are you at C++?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: https://github.com/nickgammon/mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: what actual language is mush writtnen in?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: Lobi also please convert Mush to QT, so there will be native client for Linux
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i can write a non-gui hello world from scratch. i can't make a windows appplication (with an actual windows) unless the code for the window comes with the template :D
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Trachx: mudlet is written in Qt
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I believe cmud is written in delphi or something like that.  copyright entanglements are what are keeping cmud non-free.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zugg is what keeps cmud non-free
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: there are third party IP issues though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: very unlikely
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Zugg could make it free. He won't. Last time he shared code, he got burned. Heh. At the very least, Zugg should have madezMud free when he created CMUD and went to two year licenses.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: he got burned but it was due to theft.  Releasing something open source and free is different because there is nothing to steal.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: And no 3rd party IP issues at all. It's all Zugg's code.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: oh, I thought there were 'third party libraries' or something.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Zugg believes that free software is what ruined zuggsoft financially
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: he's unlikely to participate in the movement
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: mush didn't help him.  no denying that.  he failed to adapt and he died.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: open source is so superior
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Superior for those whose living isn't based off it...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can make a living, just not from writing it without a patron obviously
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I was hoping he'd be more like gammon and open source it on grounds that people might as well enjoy it if I can't make money on it anymore, there's no reason not to other than to be mad about it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: free software income is always based on providing support
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: RedHat is open source and they make profit on it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and on sold labor hours dedicated to adding requested features
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: open source does not mean free to use - in enterprise you usually want support
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Fair enough.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i wonder if i could buy an f&e with cp/gq name unscrambler off fiendish :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: f&e = fiend and eliminate
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Heh. Lasher already said those are not welcome here.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is that so?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: The unscramble part, yes.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i see
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well i kid at fiendish though. he's already said that was against his philosophy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: if you can't detect it, it's not there
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: his price point is still insane, 30 bucks for a client to a genre of games that is not anywhere near what it used to be.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm not a coder nor an economics expert, but i'd assume charging way less would make him profit way more
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: look at android apps
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: how long does it take you to earn 30$ ?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Way to advertise botting, Cit.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well android apps are used by a bigger number of people though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: anyway, the question is, how do I use that script in mush?  I can't just copy it into my script file and expect it to work.  I would need a table of words and whatnot, and it would be interesting in its own right just to learn how to make it all interconnect.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Alwo, 30 bucks for a buggy softwqre with no aupport is the main issue.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods at Arcidayne.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: anything it actually does will be done completely clientside and as such cannot concern the game at all
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i remember finding zmud to be slow, and cmud just crashed all the time
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mush feels fast
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: back in the day, 20 years ago I had bought zmud...of course 15 years later I forgot my code and they couldn't care less.  told me to repurchase it.  yeah, I'll stick with the awesome product fiendish put together for us lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and absolutely powerful
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: there is one output bug though
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and i'll take nick and fiendish over zugg anyday lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: Fiendish = Nick Gammon ?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: no.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no vost
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: the screen goes black until some line is sent. a few times a day
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I posted a script that executes a mathematical algorithm
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but they have their similarities
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vost goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: ok
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: zmud and cmud were awful. Period. Glad to have mush. Used the xmuds for a long time, and got tired of dealing with them.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: CMUD had its perks.Much easier to capture things to windows and create windowa, for example.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I agree with that
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: full citizen subwindows would be the nicest addition to mushclient if it were possible. in the abscence of that, maybe one day someone or myself will finally librarize my comm log code
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: A GUI wizard for windows would be a great starting point.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I guess rewriting the core program for mush would essentially be starting from scratch?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Probably not.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Only things affected by rewrite.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: citlalin, you posted the levenshtein algorithm. it is not a magic bullet to unscramble mob names
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: is there a plugin that sorts your inventory?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: there is one called container sort.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: checking for a link
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: how do you make your own scripts?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: I can't find a link.  Aardwolf Container Sort on google may help.  There is also an in game command called invsort.  Try invsort bag
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: okay. thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: for a place to start on plugins. http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/ and http://mushclient.com/scripting
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: I just made the assumption you are using mushclient.  :/
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish i wanna push more :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i enjoyed it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: don't push fiendish, he could get mad and stop giving us amazing clients and plugins lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no i'm actually talking about helping him with the package :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: hey now, that's a private convo lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i just made a "compact mode" for the mapper that will pretty much make its code never Note("") (send blank lines)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i thought it was going to be more complex than what it turned out to be (the github thing)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i actually enjoyed it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: coding/scripting is like that....then you look up and it's 4am on a sunday night and you wonder where the weekend went, and what happened to your pants...coding, the more you know.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh yeah. i'm pretty goot at hyperfocusing when i really enjoy something
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Algamemnon Tech: hello all, Im having an alias issue with winklewinkle Search & Destroy.. is it because I dont have an aardwolf subdirectory in mush?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: algamemnon please ellaborate
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Algamemnon Tech: Im new to plugins..when I log in, mush is giving me a runtime error saying Reason proccessing alias ""  and no such column r.date_added
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's because you're using an old winkle with a new MUSH
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winkle did a "very bad thing" when he made the mapper extender, and later MUSHclient packages broke it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger nokfah for the updated version which doesn't "steal" parts of the database
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Algamemnon Tech: okay, thank you much much :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if not compact_mode then check_compact = "\n"    needs an end
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mis
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Fiendish you made my day with that plugin link.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which link?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: The one for programtically installing plugins. I was getting tired of the long way.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh cool
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man i can tell i'm hooking onto something when i hold my pee while at it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hooked*
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oh, does the mapper have a way to show the cexits on entry of a room? Trying to get some of the more obscene door locations, like the Labyrinth decked out in open dir;dir cexits
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i think you have to mod it for that renoir, or write a plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it has no such config option
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: show cexits on enter, huh?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't think that would be something hard to code
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's a ctrl+c ctrl+v actually
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: let me pull this and if you want to work on that after you can
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: from the cexits here alias into wherever roomnote is called
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: along with toggle in config options
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm maybe even i could do that actually :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, since they're stored in the database with 'rm uid', it wouldn't be hard to just pull cexits for this specific room to display.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: merged
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yay! :D
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you can no longer say you "don't get any help at all" with the mapper :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: this time, after you switch over to the development branch, click the dropdown again and start typing a new branch name to make a new branch for the feature you're about to add
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think you should be able to do a pull request against development with it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't get it. is it going to be a branch's branch then?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think it will just be a new branch that is a copy
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so same code as in development but on a new name
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that _should_ make it so that if you want to work on something afterward you don't have to wait for me
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cool. but what do you mean by "this time"? something i still need to do regarding compact mode or something else you're going to ask me to do?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Branches have the branch they descend from, normally it's master. But you can have it branch off of something else, like development.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah i get it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: master is jut the name used for the main branch. git doesn't treat it any differently than any other branch. Just tends to default to it.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I changed it from master to MUSHclient because that affects the name of the downloaded zip archive
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, just noticed that when this talk made me realize that there were other branches.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: would it be an undesired joke if i name it develobment? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lobisomem: if for some reason github fusses at you when you try to do your pull request, it will probably be because I squashed your commits during the merge. I've never used that before, so I don't know how it affects commit parity. I think it's a new feature in github.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean my branch off development
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't care what you name it really. this is more for your benefit than mine
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it will only show up for me right?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: actually. a question. a lot of gags make my mush a lil laggy. better laggy then spammy of course. is there any way to optimize gags? or maybe need some sort of proxy to do gags prior to mush? will it make mush work faster?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yup. and as long as your pull request merges cleanly into the code that is currently in my development branch I'm fine with it.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how many gags are we talking about, and how are you doing them?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: dozens to hundereds. regexps starting with ^sometext some (.*) some text.$
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what's a gag?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: actually now that I've discovered that github has a squash during merge, I might start making feature branches
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: omit from output.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: why are you gagging so much stuff?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: spamreduce options are enough most of the time
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i just gag blank lines and that's it so far
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: to make screen show only required info. i have em grouped to trigger groups. so if i need to see some info i can turn groups on/off.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: for instance sometimes i gag damage/exp/loot.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: won't aliasing chains of spamreduce options work?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: in epics i gag a ton of info. almost all of it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that sounds amazing. would you be willing to send me a screenshot of what that looks like?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I'd love to see that in a plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: ehm screenshot of my screen? or of trigs?:P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: both!
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: plus your bankaccount!
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'm super intrigued
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: The reaches people will go to customize something to suit their needs is amazing, nice Visionaire :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so anyway, about this problem...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't have an exact answer but I have something that I'd try out if I were in your place
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: well i dont quite understand how mush works. i take it it evaluates every line. basically. prior ot showing it.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: so in theory some sort of proxy can sort this out. but im a newb and not too good with em.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: at least to ease gag load on mush. 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes that is about right
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: is there some proxy you can advice for such needs? im a newb and well researching the topic may go far beyond my skills/understanding :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: visionaire: see this thread http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=5473
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: okie looking thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's from 2005, so I don't know if the way triggers are run has changed
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but it's an interesting experiment to run again
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionaire Tech: ooh thanks for the thread interesting results. seems like ill have to spend a few hours optimizing gags anyway :P
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: tai
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oops, mistell.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone else feel like this at work all the time?  https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: yes.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: this video is triggering PTSD
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, I found this pretty funny to.  https://youtu.be/PZbqAMEwtOE
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yes, I can do anything, I'm an expert.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone on for a mapper question?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: anyone on and bored, lol?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: always.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: haha
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: so, I just moved, and hooked up my PC. It was unplugged for at least 2 days
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: it's a dell, i7, pretty decent machine
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: it needs coffee, pour it directly into the cd rom.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: haha, ok you got it
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: keep going lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: whenever I booted it, I got this screen that it couldn't load the bios
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: it specifically said, cannot load bios
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: said F1 to retry (didn't do anything), F2 to go into utility
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: lost connection...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you checked all connections inside were tight, moving can jar shit loose.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: ok, so it listed SSMs and said the 1st one failed
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: internal or external connections?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: internal, if the bios won't load, that's a mobo issue.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: internal, something on the mobo itself
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded nods at Lucron.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: when I was doing this I just had power adapter, monitor, mouse and keyboard
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: but, I just F12'd my way in, and now I'm up and running
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: odd
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: on it now
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: BIOS configuration issue then maybe
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: does not compute...cannot boot without bios loading lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: isn't the first time. It's done it before
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: it's like it THINKS it's not working:)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: until I tell it otherwise
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: comes up, says BIOS load failed, F1 to retry or F2 to configure, then you press F12 at that screen and are able to boot into Windows?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Lol, computers all have their weird wtf moments. 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: message certainly doesn't say exactly that "bios didn't load"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: now that I'm back on, is there a way to diagnose why it's acting strange at boot?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: bios didn't load there'd be nothing on the screen
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: I F12'd before it got to the BIOS failed screen
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Could be its trying to boot from the wrong HDD. 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's probably "boot failed"
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: I suggest not to move/unplug pc cnext time...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: and perhaps it didn't say bios failed, I don't recall exactly and I don't want to poke the bear and reboot lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: boot failed would make sense, probaby a BIOS boot order issue.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: boot failed would make more sense, could be a failing drive, choosing it a bunch finally gets it to load.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nod. specially if it was just a matter of key hitting
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: nod, check your boot order in your bios
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: do you have an optical drive with a disc in it? that can screw things up if your BIOS settings are funky.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: or usb sticks
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded nods at Lobisomem.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: grrr lost connection again
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: hate moving:)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: bad practice, but I always go in and set my primary OS as my first boot attempt and just remember that I need to change it if I ever want to boot from disc/USB.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i do that too
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yeab, but how often do we really need to do that lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Same here. 
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: (last post that didn't go through) that makes sense, it listed 4 SSMs I believe, and the first failed
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: failed to boot is a normal issue that can be caused by a bunch of things, failed to load BIOS would make me think fried motherboard.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: ok, maybe it wasn't bios
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: f2 took me to bios settings so I think I got confused
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: seems like ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: no worries :p
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: can you edit config.sys in windows 10 :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: that's why the error message wording was my first question lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: autoexec.bat? lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: sure, it just won't do much lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: no, like I said when I truly needed help I couldn't get online to say what was happening lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: no, growing up, I had a 386, learned to fix my pc with config and autoexec. then computers got better and started working lol
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: so as long as my comp doesn't reboot, I'll be golden:)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: anywho, thanks for the chat
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: anyone know what the 3rd number means? {sfail}211,0,11,-1
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: I locked my layout in Mush, but for some reason, when I open it sometimes, a few of my windows goes out of place and behind other windows. Any idea how I might fix this?
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: Assertiveness training
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: are they  windows installed by default by mush? I dont think lock applies to oother plugins...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: unless person built it in...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: It's the Stats window and the minimap window.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: the ones that come with Mush thhough?  I know of other versions of both :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: It should be the standard Mush versions.
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: can send Fiendish a bug report then or post as an issue on github site...
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: Thanks, Mendy. :)
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Taliyah: help spelltags
T3/r7/2016-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: got it, thank you
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: So, I know how to set a trigger to mask/gag/omit things from my output window in MUSH, but how can I get the Comm log to also omit it as well?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phantum Tech: anyone know why the plugins wont download ont the site
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: anybody up?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phantum Tech: lol... makes alot of sense
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mordenkaim Tech: how do you add a wait to a cexit in mapper?  Say I want it to wait 5 seconds instead of 2 before confirming?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mordenkaim Tech: oh yeah there it is, thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: wait(#)
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: its there but an example would be better, trying to dig one up
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: mapper cexit open north;wait(5);run n
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: I dont think that's what he wants
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: ohhh
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mordenkaim Tech: actually I need both of those, I think I have it figured out, thanks all!
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: but maybe I'm wrong. At least now he has answers to both possible querstions
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: mapper cexit_wait 5
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: yeah misread what he said
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: thanks for pointing that out kippe
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yea i thought he wanted to add a wait to the cexit direction too!
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: it turned out he wanted that too
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: mapper cexit say i wish to see the genie;wait(5)
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i think just "genie" might work
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i got 6 cexits that use wait
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: sorry 5, one cexit is "enter dumbwaiter"
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mordenkaim Tech: I was doing the innkeeper in annwn so I set the cexit_wait to 15 seconds and then used -> cexit give 6000 coins innkeeper;wait(5);wear deathmask;open w;w
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mordenkaim Tech: worked great, thanks all
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: cool but i much prefer to translocate
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: annwn a little trick with some of its cexits ...
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: tricky
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm i broke my xrt. it's sending me to the same roomid (pompeii room) no matter what. it happens to be the first specified in my areastartrooms table :p
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if i have a "rooms" global variable, and i have a function that gets its value at some point, and then, in a line further down, declare a "local rooms" variable, and get the value from rooms. i mean. is that valid?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: will i be getting the value of the global in the first time (before declaring local) and from the local the second time (after declaring it)?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is there such thing as opening a sqlite db as readonly?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and is there such need? is it not a problem if like 3-4 plugins are messing with the db at the same time?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: teach me how to grab the nearest room of a specified area!
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i tried to grab mapper.find, your dbnrowswrapper etc, but it's telling me to type look :p
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so many questions
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: do you ever chuckle condecendingly?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: im an avid student :p
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i even tried manually ///current_room = 9999 (used my actual room id instead) but no luck. still told me to type look
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can't set a plugin local variable that way. you can use mapper showroom though
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no i "copied" the functions to my local script
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: no plugin involved
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Ontuct: no
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i also mapper = require "aardmapper" to use mapper.find
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: eh, I'll test it once I have a crap ton of hp.  not worth it when I'm so small lol
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: mistell
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is there a specific forum to post questions about making plugins that work with the mapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: should i use nick's?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably tech board here
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is that no to 2nd question too? (use nick's)
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: using basts plugins but my events window has disappeared  -- anyone know how to get it back?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah, got it.. mev events show...
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can a sqlite db be "opened" twice? (by two plugins)
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morn Tech: No
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I use the aarddb all the time
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that was funny :p
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: maybe
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morn Tech: I'm pretty sure it gets locked
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: locked during a lookup maybe?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and freed after it's done?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morn Tech: the mapper doesn't keep the db open AFAIK, just opens and closes it as needed
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I litterally use the aarddb in other plugins all the time
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: each plugin declares their own variable and opens the db in it?
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: @sonet
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I never have had an issue using the mapper when one of my plugins keeps the aarddb open the entire time that the client is open
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the mapper doesn't close the db after queries
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morn Tech: lobi, maybe this helps? https://www.sqlite.org/lockingv3.html
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: opening the db will lock you from copying it or deleting it off your machine, but it seems to be able to be used by multiple plugins at once
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: just don't try to access simultaneously and you'll probably be fine
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: thanks morn
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: will read it after i get back home
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sqlite is just like any other sql database, it just doesn't have a request scheduler
T3/r7/2016-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: gotta grab daughter at school
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: so my mapper associates the start of amusement park with the astral plains...anyway to change the start room mapper knows?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the mapper does not know anything about start rooms
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lucron: ^
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: areas don't actually have "start rooms"
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ImmProper Broud Tech: to be fair, area's do have a 'first room' where a trivia portal may lead to :)
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what is lobisomem's tech note about anyway
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't know how imms classify first room for trivial portals, but you can set your room UIDs in any order when building, and many areas have multiple entrances
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: isn't it just to automatically find speedwalk to an area without stating a start room?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Redryn: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's wrong with that?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it decides for you what room to go to
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which it's something I implemented once a long time ago and then decided to scrap on the basis that I don't want to add anything that makes more decisions for the player
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i see
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well  the player's decision is kinda just i want to go to X area
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not enough for me
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: fair enough i guess
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I want the player to be more involved in the process of where they are going
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I have a philosophical separation into three categories...
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't think that's the appropriate way to draw the line though
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: since you can do mapper find for exact room names
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you know what room name you want to go to
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's a mental process
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and often a player's decision is i wanna go to my cp mob :p
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i dunno where the room is, but my mapper does!
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in terms of mental process, they may not even know what area they're going to
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yeah that falls sadly into the first category, "things I added to the mapper because zmud/cmud did them anyway"
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which if zmud/cmud didn't exist I'd probably not add
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nod
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if I had been the first person to do something called a map for muds, it'd be purely informative and representative, but I'd probably not have added pathfinding except under duress
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it was done to bring parity between haves and have-nots
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and is I think in the long hindsight of mudding, negative
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: only the haves  have an 8th bit  ? 
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so we have to at least ignore that aspect. the other two categories are "things that add to the player's experience of the game world"
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and "things that make decisions about what to do"
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I try not to add or aid in building more things that fall into that third category
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh there's also a fourth category, "things that try to circumvent Lasher's desires". see for example citlalin's goal to unscramble mob names
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which I think is pretty scummy and would merit a second nuke if I were Lasher
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: second? third? who knows. I don't actually know how many times she's been nuked
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: for me S&D actually lands somewhere between the third and fourth categories
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: minor technical correction: there are actually a lot of scummy things that I'd develop in private for myself on a lark and then throw away, just to see if I can do it
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: most of them aren't worth the time or energy though
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Hah, isn't that just how it's done?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no, I mean things like...
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kieran Tech: I suspect that if we didn't have mapper find/goto, someone would add it. Same with other features, many of which have smiliarities to the features of graphical games
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe, but not necessarily. whether or not you can even do it all depends on how the underlying data is structured.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so anyway, this one time I had a "really funny" plan to build an April 1 easter egg for the client that would convert all the text to random colors (see 256colorwuv social for example). I actually hit a technical snag there preventing me from implementing it at the time. of course after by then I decided that I couldn't ever actually add it because it would be a violation of trust to put in code like that
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: there are already enough dickbags saying I might be secretly putting in keyloggers
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh, I ca...I probably shouldn't use that word here 
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Probably not. But I understand the sentiment. I mean, if you're compiling the MUSHclient yourself, it's theoretically possible, but a simple compilation and md5 check would nip that in the bud.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: And as for the plugins, it's all plain legible lua code.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: they don't HAVO to use your plugins. If they think you secretly implement them they should use another client
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: legible for some people. I doubt even people who can understand it look at all of it
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: a prank like that is never worth the lost trust
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Though I do really hate that the code for plugins are inside of an XML object. Screws with my vim settings. I wish there were a way for the plugin to have a rel= or src= for the <script>
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish nods at Renoir.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: amen you can be forgiven for being an idiot  but never for being an imoral idiot  
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's true. I also hate that. I don't know of any colorizing text editor that can follow syntax for multiple languages simultaneously
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I usually force Lua parsing, because the XML and regex parts are generally much less complex
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: That's a good idea I hadn't wanted to cave and do. But it would solve my problems.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: basically any XML file I open in sublimetext parses as Lua unless told otherwise, because 99% of the time it's the thing I want
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: I assume it's possible, but how much work would it be really, to make it so that the plugin would send a keylog file outside Aard? Could a plugin even open a connection to another server? Any "log" sent across here would be easily caught, even if it were completely masked from the sending client output, etc? lol
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Snowolf: "Could a plugin even open a connection to another server?" - easily, yes
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, there are plenty of network traffic analyzers that would catch it easily.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: And be completely invisible to the user?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: completely invisible to nearly all users except the most paranoid
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Snowolf snickers softly.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: task manager is ur friend  :P
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: "A connection to somewhere.com/log_password?" I'm sure that's legit.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you have to remember that the client is _already_ sending HTTPS requests to random servers for update checks
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well, not random, but _you_ didn't choose them
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Personally, I love the scripts you've made, Fiendish. Made it so I had to use MUSH instead of trying to make all this myself in Mudlet.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: I don't restart my client very often, so I can't say I've even seen anything but extremely rarely about an update lol >.<
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Snowolf rapidly nods twice at Renoir, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if Mudlet had come along a few years earlier I'd probably have used it
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kieran Tech: There will always be twits who think you're out to get them if you offer anything for free. I myself wonder how they think using any software at all is safe
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mowse Tech: I use it, I wanted to make all my own scripts
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: Zmud to Mush for me <3
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: amen
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thraxas Tech: I use mudlet too ... hard to beat it
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: The biggest  thing I like about mudlet is just that any modules or 'plugins' you install are all in the same namespace. Which is a good and bad thing.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's always a bad thing
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I wish I could just use \\\ to run a lua function from a plugin. It's what I do when I'm testing things in mudlet.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Plugins should always be namespaced. I don't like that Nick enforces a hard wall between them, but they should still be namespaced.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Renoir: use the CallPlugin function
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you kinda need to remember the ID though :p
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can get the ID from the name, it just takes some extra code
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (because you can get the list of all plugins)
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, I can figure out a way around that, I'm sure. Or just have the id in my clipboard while I'm working.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: Since so many smartypants people are on right now, can any of you tell me how to make it so my "omit from output" trigger is honored by the Comm log and not just the main window? :P A link to a helpfile would do, but closest I found was maybe to edit the Comm log file and add a trigger directly into that, but I'm not at all familiar with all that
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea i know, just a bit painful for renoir's purposes
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Snowolf: the next comm log is going to make that even more difficult because it's going to use only GMCP for channels. you'll have to go through the text substitution plugin I made
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: are you trying to gag people?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Snowolf nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: just me 
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so the text sub plugin I've made replaces text at the socket level before any other processing
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it'll work for both GMCP and main output stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: let me see what's available right now and if it's not actually released...
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sec
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh, it's actually already released. it's not perfect yet. I still have a few plans for it, but...
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you're on my latest release, then you can load the text_substititon.xml plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if not you can get it from here  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/development/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/text_substitution.xml
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: after it loads, type "#sub help"
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I recommend using the form that includes the curly braces
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: Thank you :D
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm not exactly sure how well it will handle gagging though right now. if you use it for that please report and I'll update
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because of like additional blank lines and stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I suppose I can test that while we're here
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm..what to gag...
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: Anything with the word Tech in it ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: me?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: me  :P
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I also don't remember if it will do wildcards or not. I'll need to look at it again. it's really a work in progress
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: Gotta start somewhere! ^.^
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowolf Tech: But, it's late and I was only coming to use my DB before bed when I saw everyone talking lol >.< I'll read how your testing goes and depending on what you think I'll give it a shot tomorrow too, or I can wait if you find any bugs lol ;) Best of luck! g'night/day everyone ^.^
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well darn. I guess I just found a problem with the sub plugin. this is going to be...difficult to fix.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'll have to think about it
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cpt. Vellius Tech: There isn't a plug-in for analyzing poker cards for possible hands, is there?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Probably private ones.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cpt. Vellius Tech: Word
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: I've got a question about mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: we shall do our best.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: is there a way to run a function from the command line? I imagine there would have to be a symbol that you use in front, but I haven't been able to find it in the docs
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: I ask because I'm trying to run GetUniqueID() but haven't been successful so far.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: iirc, you need a plugin that will trigger off <some text you type in command line> and call the function you desire explicitly. maybe there's a way directly, but i think i read you have to go round-about.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: ok, I'll try that
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: iirc, you need a plugin that will trigger off <some text you type in command line> and call the function you desire explicitly. maybe there's a way directly, but i think i read you have to go round-about.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: dammit
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ylar laffs at himself... Maybe he has a split personality.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: just found a different way, while looking for the plugin, using the immediate window you can type functions and run them.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Is there any way to tell if router is causing slow downs on my computer?  For some reason I get a hunch that it might not be comcast's fault this time, mainly because restarting the router seems to fix the issue (without touching the modem)...
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: plug your computer directly into the modem and see if the problem resolves itself
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Duh - great idea!
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I'll just tell the wife - it's not working when she tries to use wireless!
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded fistbumps [Outlaw] Mendaloth.
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: jumped 15 mpbps per second when I connected direct
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: mbps
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: now to elimnate wife's downloading as a cause :)
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jameson Tech: how do i get the screen to stop going up when i touch it
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: how do i disable scrolling
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: i touch the screen and it jumps up
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Not sure - but would probably help if you told us what client?
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: He's on a phone
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: aardwolf client for the android
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LeafGuider Waker Tech: thats what I use, but only for travel
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: i have no computer
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LeafGuider Waker Tech: not to good for serious playing
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahasamatman Tech: that actually happens to me as well when I use the android app
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LeafGuider Waker Tech: imp
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: cant add the buttons i use for playing
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LeafGuider Waker Tech: I bought a bluetooth keyboard just for this
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: theres a way i just dont remeber
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: any ideas
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: how do i create buttons
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: i cant seem to figure this out
T3/r7/2016-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: WindowRectOp, WindowText, WindowAddHotspot
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Angel Castiel Tech: Anyone know if mushclients WindowAddHotspot function is able to use "class"(simulated in lua) functions for drag/resize/etc?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Fun fact: When you migrate MUSHclient between hard drives, it helps if you change the "Start in" directory to match your new drive, and not the old one. Otherwise, provided you still have the old copy on the old drive, it'll load up those plugins, and, at least in my case, cause your MUSH to hang on GMCP requests.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: It literally took me 2 months to figure that out.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: good to know
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I couldn't figure out why my quest trigger (which fires "Quest ready!" upon GMCP request) would cause MUSH to hang for about 10 seconds. I happened to look at my loaded plugins and saw they were all loading from G: drive when MUSH was on C:.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: i almost deleted 12 years of emails because of that phenomenon - i consider it a bug.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne chuckles at Mannec's joke.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: a trigger randomly started firing 3 times whenever it matches, using mushclient, anyone have an idea why that would be?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You have it defined three times.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Or you have poorly designed triggers that match on those occasions.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: is it a new trigger or one that used to work fine? did you change anything?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: used to work fine, its from a plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: bastmush to be precise
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: tried reloading it?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: I've been messing around making my own aliases, but haven't made any new triggers
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: yeah, tried closing everything and reopening. I'll see if it is loading twice somehow in the plugin manager
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: yeah, it was a another plugin doing the same thing, thanks for the tip gorsk
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gorsk bows deeply.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: No love for me, who mentioned the multiple triggers in the first place?! :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I see how it is. I quit!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gorsk goes "WHEE!" and dances around Arcidayne.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: sorry arci, you are very smart
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bladesinger Tech: is there any potion counter add-on for Mush Client, i basically would like to know how many potions remain in my bag
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Bast has one.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: PotionQuaffer v2.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: blumalice has one too, i believe
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Counts potions and has aliases to buy and quaff them.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bladesinger Tech: cool... ill check it out
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bladesinger Tech: thanks guys, ill check them both out
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I have my counts sitting in my infobar.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bladesinger Tech: i just want to have a count... i often run out without realizing :)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: There's already a count. Exam bag shows you a count. :P
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bladesinger Tech: yea, but i dont keep that in mind :)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bladesinger Tech: rather have a little add-on to remind me :)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how do i get a count of rows that match certain criteria in sqlite?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean, what's the statement?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i just need the count
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amalcon Tech: "select count(*) from whatever_you_want
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't need an nrows for that do i?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm maybe i do need it after all
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it will return only one row right? with the count?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amalcon Tech: should return a single row, one column, with the count
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i can include a WHERE at the end right?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thraxas Tech: someone writing sql?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and btw. the low/high case thing. is it just an aesthetics thing? can i use low and high case as i wish?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you kind of have to unless you want a count of the entire table
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hehe. true
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: not sure about the low/high thing
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: notepad++ makes "select" cyan (but not "SELECT") when i type it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is select a lua reserved word or something?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's a function I think
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: https://www.lua.org/pil/5.2.html
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, first result for a google of "lua select" is that page :P
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: that's a pretty bizarre function interface
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: if it's a string "#" count the number of args, if it's a number, return that arg
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sql is not very intuitive to me, but it sounds very poweruseful :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: It has its uses
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what's wrong with \\\Note(gmcp("room.info.zone"))? it's giving me nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: isn't it roominfo.zone?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what's wrong with \\\Note(gmcp("roominfo.zone"))? it's giving me nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: nope your right
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: erm sorry lol
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: its room.info.zone
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: ya let me check
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah roominfo.zone gives me an error
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: whereas room.info.zone gives me nil (but no error)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: did you do the gmcp handshake yet?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: not sure how your are accessing the information
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: http://pastebin.com/xGK68EhR
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: forgot to put in there but map was initialized and is the mapper dp
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: db*
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: why are you iteratiting through a single row and printing it?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: also what does the gmcp function do?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: try gmcpval(
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I am guessing higher up you have something like this page http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/MushclientGMCP 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what would be the other way (without an iteration) to retrieve that count?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that would work for that, sorry a bit distracted with my son on my lap
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Execute("mapper fullportal \{pexe %<id>\} \{"..gmcp("room.info.num").."\} %<level>") <- this works perfectly.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: did you fetch the room table already?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nope. but i don't have to fetch the room table for the fullportal script to work
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: i don't know a mapper fullportal
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Execute("mapper fullportal \{pexe %<id>\} \{"..gmcp("room.info.num").."\} %<level>")
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this works perfectly (see there's a call to gmcp("room.info.num")). i don't need to do anything besides that
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I can't get zone to return anything anywhere
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: also where did you gind this gmcp() function? I can't find a resource on it, like documentation
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think its from gmcphelper script or something
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: require "gmcphelper"
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: ah, that would be why I can't find it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: odd that room.info.zone returns nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Especially when gmcpdebug 2 clearly shows zone is not nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: now if you look at /script tprint(gmcp("room.info")) it shows zone as being not nil also
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it intrigues me that fiendish hasn't said anything about it :p "room.info.zone" returning nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: what makes me most interested is that gmcp("room.info") returns a non-nil zone
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'm barely here
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: send bug reports to github or email. can't field questions right now
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm not writing a bot btw fiendish :p i just want to, whenever i type "explore", below the line where it says the number of rooms i have explored (game-wise), know how many rooms this mapper db has of that area
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: try room.info.name it returns an error
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: to see if there's any async between my game exploration and this mapper db
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: room.info.uid works though
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm not in the room I am in
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it took me hours to finally realize that a problem I'm having writing a plugin is because Aardwolf sends LFCR and not CRLF
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: why would a carriage return precede a linefeed and not the opposite?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because it doesn't really matter except by convention
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralfkayne Tech: how can i get my huntrick to work when i don't have 'hunt'?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: except it matters to me when I'm trying to reassemble incomplete packets and keep crushing my skull on invalid MCCP data
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: matters if you're expecting CRFL instead of FLCR heh :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: LF
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: anyone know why and how to fix the Winklewinkle_Mapper_Extender_2_8's XCP error  "Alias function "xrun_to" not found or had a previous error."?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: finge nokfah. download that
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: @tordan
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: ok. thanks!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I put a few print statements in the helper file and it does return the correct information... the assert statement just seems to break it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: just the nok3_gq_range.xml?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: or the whole 2 xlm under Search and Destroy 2.8 Fix?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: or the whole 3 xlm under Search and Destroy 2.8 Fix?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: It seems that the value of 'value' returns the correct value.. yeah that variable needs a better name ;) 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you talking about gmcphelper.lua?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: @tordan: yeah. the whole search n destroy fix thing
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: brb need a smoke break.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: ok. thanks. 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. i either can't use gmcphelper functions or they need fixing
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: \\\Note(gmcpitem("room.info.num")) gives me error
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you are not passing enough parameters to that function
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: function gmcpitem(fieldname)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: actually you are correct. but the error says a nil parent
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the errors happen in gmcphelper.lua, not my script
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: why the second set of ()s? assert (loadstring (luastmt or "")) ()
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tordan Tech: it worked! thanks Lobisomem.  :)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: i don't know, I need to go play with my son, I will look at it later
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cool
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: see curse
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: care to enlighten us?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i think the problem was in the assert ()'s but i'm not sure
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I said that hours ago :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i just removed all the assert stuff and made it return value without the checks for stment or ""
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean i'm sure the or "" is there for safeguarding something. i just removed it. told it to return value straight away
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's working
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: have you tested with a table?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: if I am not mistaken that is why the asserts are there
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: \\\Note(gmcp("room.info.zone")) -> immhomes
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: test with just room.info
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: and tprint
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: perfectly
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: to perfectly
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i rock too much
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: tprints it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: \\\Note(gmcp("room.info")) -> tprints the table
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: omg i feel fiendelinc
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: back to my infobot :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I just worry that the asserts where there for a reason, I will do a little research on it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I am sure fiendish could tell you once his hangover subsides
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah well. i know too little lua to worry about it. yeah fiendish will certainly enlighten us
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i could try removing the extra set of ()'s. they don't make sense
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but since i got my stuff to work heh. i'll let fiendish say if they mean anything
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: Fiendish is god 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Fiendish wrote Abelinc
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I'm assuming you're talking about assert(loadstring("blah = " .. value) ())?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i am arci
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: The () is for loadstring, not assert.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you just fixed it arci
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you just fixed it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: theres just () in the end (unmodified file)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: assert is simply a nicer way to say "if not this then print(error) end"
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's probably missing the last )
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's () not ())
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: might be why? lemme check
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: Abe reviewed Fiendish's code an   pointed out sever irregularities over time 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: https://www.lua.org/pil/8.html -- read that page.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's some hardcore turing bot compiling. the creature corrects the creator
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: not even turing anymore.. it's a fiendish bot :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alright if my scripts requires gmcphelper. i change gmcphelper. do i need to reload my script?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: arci ssert(loadstring("blah = " .. value) ())?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that doesn't work it would be ssert(loadstring("blah = " .. value)) ()
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Right, I just woke up.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sonet your last statement is what was in the gmcphelper file
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ()s outside everything
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm trying to put () inside now (make them belong to loadstring)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Lobisomem: As I just mentioned, I just woke up. It's supposed to be on the outside.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: arci. there's only fiendish and abelinc above you now
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wait
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i can never tell if my code updated or not
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne smirks.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lemme close and reopen mush. (i put it inside and it works)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne smirks.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but not sure if what's loaded is before or after mod
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Unbeknownst to everyone, I created Abelinc and Fiendish both. Abelinc's become my HAL-9000, and Fiendish has become my Vision.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: if Abelinc is a bot, the programing team deserves a nobel prize and a fields medal.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nah
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ()s inside = error
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: That's why Abelinc is so snarky, and Fiendish is so compassionate. *cackle*
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'll just send the assert to where the devil resides
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's working for me without it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Really shouldn't, but okay.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: (Really shouldn't take it out, I mean).
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it doesn't work with the assert :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it works without. :p easy decision to me lol
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: you know we have to  cover our  mouth when talking about **** and  I'm pretty sure  the Fiend AI will  arive at the conclusion that  Humans  must die .   . I'm a Kitteh bystander   :P
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Heh, with employee perks, I get up to 50% off Dell products and 32% off Lenovo... hmm.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: - 10
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Oo, plus savings on movie tickets at AMC and Regal and other movie theaters... A $15 ticket costs me $8.95... I like.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: map = DatabaseOpen("map", string.gsub(GetInfo(54), ".mcl$", ".db"), Open_ReadOnly)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: for row in map:nrows(sql) do
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: error
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: says map has a number. what's wrong?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Because DatabaseOpen returns a 0 or -6 value...
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So drop the map = bit.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: It should just be DatabaseOpen("map", ...)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but how do i refer to it later? i mean shouldn't i assign that db to a variable?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so that i can db_variable:nrows?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You assign it to map with DatabaseOpen("map")
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Er, without closing )
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So if you did DatabaseOpen("foo", "Aardwolf.db", OpenReadOnly), you'd assign the db to "foo"
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can you give me an example nrows call?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: one i have it assigned to "map"?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you have map assigned to the db then reassigned to the error code
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't suppose for row in map:nrows(sql) do would work?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: do the form or rc= DatabaseOpen("map", ...)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh so DatabaseOpen has an assert somewhere? i mean. does it turn the string "map" into variable map?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: DatabaseOpen("map", string.gsub(GetInfo(54), ".mcl$", ".db")) for a in map:nrows('SELECT * FROM zone') do print a end === not exact, but an example anyway.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: the way your assigning it you are not doing anything with a string, you are making map= number
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh so it's asserted into a variable after all :)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: since when  is this the chan all the kewl kids hang out  on   ? 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: dude
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm starting to learn
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm about to cry
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem ::p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Lobisomem: Have you installed the Mushclient_Helper plugin that comes standard?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i haven't
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Tzadkiel: Since we kicked you out of the kewl kids club months ago.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You need to, Lobisomem.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You can find examples, etc, in your client with mchelp "topic" (like mchelp DatabaseOpen, or mchelp database, etc)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm says map is a nil value :(
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh wait
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: All clickable hyperlinks, displays information in main window, etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: I was a kewl Kid .. dammit and I never got a prom date out of it  ..  robbed !
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: That's because the .db is in the root, not world file.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: DatabaseOpen("map", string.gsub(GetInfo(54), ".mcl$", ".db"), Open_ReadOnly)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Yeah, that won't work because it's looking for the db in worlds, not root. :P
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Note(map) -> nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: and this is why I got into systems and hardware and not software rofl
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: DatabaseOpen("map", "Aardwolf.db", Open_ReadOnly)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Note(map) -> nil
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: DatabaseOpen("map", (GetInfo(56) .. GetInfo(2) .. ".db"), Open_ReadOnly)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: -6 : Database already exists under a different disk name
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's from my statement not the one you just suggested btw
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: same from yours
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: -6
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: why not use db=sqlite3.open(GetInfo (66) ..'\\logs\\aardinfo.db')
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man my brain is frying
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah sonet i've noticed both ww and fiendish use that instead but they use asserts and i didn't want to mess with that
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't like asserts :p they confuse me
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: makes it much easier
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Like I said, assert is just a nicer way of saying: if not this then print(error) end.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I don't use asserts usually unless I think that it will fail
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: assert(false, "This failed because the assert is false.) -- it's the nice angry orange text that appears when something fails.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Very useful when trying to load up variables instead of the generic "xxx is nil"
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You can put: xxx is nil because it failed to load so it doesn't exist and you're a stupid idiot for even trying.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: new errors
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: for row in map:nrows(sql) do ColourNote("orange", "black", row) end
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: says row is a table, expected a string, error
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: what is your sql variable?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: SELECT COUNT(uid) FROM rooms WHERE area = '"..gmcp("room.info.zone").."'
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: Note(gmcp("room.info.zone")) = "immhomes"
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: give me the whole line
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: local sql = "SELECT COUNT(uid) FROM rooms WHERE area = '"..gmcp("room.info.zone").."'"
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: your print should be row.count(uid)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: actually do this, SELECT COUNT(uid) as count ...   then row.count in the print
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm it's a table with one entry
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i did a tprint() instead of ColourNote()
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "COUNT(uid)"=2
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that is how things come back
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man this is brain frying to me
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that is, becuase the row in map:.... returns row as a table of entries
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you just need to print row.COUNT(uid)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how do i index that?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: let's assume i want to colour note
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ColourNote("orange", "black", row[WHATDOIPUTHERE])
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't wanna put a 1 in there. what if there is more than one row?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you are in a for loop...
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: for a in db:nrows(sql) do ColourNote("orange", "black", a) :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: local count = 0 then count = count + 1? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's what i was doing arcydaine. doesn't work
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: gives error. says colournote expected a string, but "a" is a "table" :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: a table with only one row
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I literally gave you two different ways to take care of this...
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: funny thing is i'm supposedly iterating through ROWS, but turns out each row is in fact a table
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sonet can i colournote it?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: i give up
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i saw your print solution
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: ColourNote("orange", "black", row.COUNT(uid))
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: What was inside of the Print is what you'd put as the last variable in ColourNote.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So then: for i,v in pairs(db:rows(sql)) do ColourNote("orange", "", i .. " returns " .. v) end
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: alright. solution applied and working. now back to learning :) -> is COUNT() a function in the "row" table?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: And when you're getting things out of a database, each row is a table, because you might have done a SELECT Count(uid), name FROM whateveridontcarewhattable
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm trying to understand the syntax now
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne has never really worked with SQL. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: It's a common function most every SQL database supports.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: https://www.sqlite.org/lang_corefunc.html if you're looking for some more information about the various options.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: as i expected
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ColourNote("orange", "black", row.COUNT(uid))
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: [string "Script file"]:25: attempt to call field 'COUNT' (a nil value)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i know count() is an option in sql statements. my question is if it was a field in the "row" variable somehow. turns out it isn't
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: go back to my first solution
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: in your SQL statement make it Count(uid) as count in table_from_hell where WHOCARES
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: then you can use rows.count
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: lua might be not liking the whole fact that your making a function call of count
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: master sonet
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you could even make it count(uid) as mymommylovesme then use rows.mymommylovesme
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: grandmaster sonet
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sonet skywalker
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Quit feeding his ego.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man there's so much to learn
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: There is, take it slow and you will do fine
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there's something mysterious about nrows
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, SQL is an interesting beast.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how was i supposed to know it will make the AS a field in rows?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: row i mean
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Practice, experience, and failure. That's how I learned SQL. :D
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you could always give up and play fallout 4 for a while
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: isn't nrows a lua thing?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean. sql statements have nothing to do with nrows i assume?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: nrows is a mushclient thing I think
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: It is.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: exactly
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean. it's "nrows" the guy who is making that "as" become a "row" field
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: It's a function of the Database module that Nick put together to make it easier.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: correction nrows is a sqlight thing
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ergo, you should read the help files on it.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i wonder what is the "AS" for in pure sql
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Actually, the SQL database parses the as statement to name the column.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: http://lua.sqlite.org/index.cgi/doc/tip/doc/lsqlite3.wiki
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: as is just a naming thing so you can easily read what you are selecting
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Then when the results are given to whatever language you're using, all it's told is 'this column is named somecrap' not whatever you used to get it.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Example in mchelp for nrows: db:exec[=[CREATE TABLE numbers(num1, num2); INSERT INTO numbers VALUES(1,11); INSERT INTO numbers VALUES(2,22); INSERT INTO numbers VALUES(3,33);]=] for a in db:nrows('SELECT * FROM numbers') do table.print(a) end -- returns num2: 11 num1: 1 num2: 22 num1: 2 num2: 33 num1: 3
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Time to go babysit for a bit, then gotta shop, then gotta prepare for my date tonight. Heh.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Hmm. Mis.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: woot!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: enjoy arci
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: First dates are fun. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Was texting her all night until 6 am.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I'm going to be extremely tired.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I figured arci would have just written a loved one by now
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A macabre Sonet beams with pride at Arcidayne.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne snickers with A macabre Sonet about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I have written a loved one. His name is Melvin, but he's male, and incapable of that loving touch.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: [Melvin]: You hush your mouth! I can be whatever I want!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: [Melvin]: Arcidayne: Go ahead, tell them everything you know. It'll only take 10 seconds.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A macabre Sonet  likes this Melvin character!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Cold. And hurtful. :(
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Used to be able to chat with him, but the API used is defunct now.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So time to seek out a new API!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: melvin, get weather for 13760
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Oh yeah, won't work on this channel.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Anyway, later!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: later
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Whoever asked why all the cool kids hang out on this chan now, well the answer is simple. Only programmers are cool!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hm
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hm what?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is OnPluginInstall() called every time i open my world (and the plugin was already previously installed)?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I need a new laptop... stupid continual crashing. *sigh*
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: in mushclient, from an alias, how can I set a variable?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: SetVariable("varname", "value"), and Send to Script.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: alias is doing other things...so maybe call another alias from that alias that does that?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You can do it all in the same alias.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Just change send to script, and encase all your commands with either Execute (if they're clientside aliases) or Send (if they're commands).
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: same idea with having an alias enable or disable a trigger?  send to script?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lucron stares at the sky.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: EnableTrigger to 1 or 0
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: abelinc are you a professional programmer?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope, I suck at programming
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "i suck at programmer" that's.. not true :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: programming*
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, assuming I didn't wanna redo my entire alias to send to script, my alias can call an alias that sends to script and does this.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i know a lot less people are using mud-lua, but i miss a chan to talk about aard's lua triggers, functions etc
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, to cal another alias, just send to execute
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean way more people making plugins etc than building areas
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this channel's just as valid to talk about the mud-side lua
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is it? well. here's a question then:
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (I know nearly nothing about it, though)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how to trigger the social'ing of a mob by a player?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean. i want a mob to say something when a player bows to it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can watch for foo bows before you.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: the only way to do that is a mob generated in your manor, the imms have to put the mobprog on it
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh i'm talking about building. i'm doing stuff in the other port but nobody's ever there for me to ask questions :p
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: help mobprog
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's actually why for the goal guys that want a handshake, you can use either *shakes bob or *handshake bob, because they have the same output 5
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: @abelinc: that's exactly what i did, but i was wondering if there was a better way.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and the code is just looking for the output
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this is the trigger
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: 2 - Act          lowlands-3           0 gives you a BIG high five!
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so it triggers whether "highfive" is used or that expression is emulated (emote maybe)
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i was wondering if there is a way to "require" the use of the social "highfive". there's trigger on "room commands", but i wanted a mob thing
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if i open a db with sqlite3.open and mush crashes. does my .db file get corrupted?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Probably not
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lose changes since last db open i assume at least?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't suppose mushclient closes the database (and executes the "merging" of those 2 additional files) in a crash?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: It shouldn't lose anything. Each update or insert statement shoud have committed to the file already. If it was in the middle of an insert or update, you might lose that data.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: But just that one statement, not more.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: using send() function in mushclient, how do I seperate commands? tried , and 
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: and \
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: huh, can't espcape semi colon
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: From what I can tell, you have to use one Send per commmand.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: oh ok, thats clunky
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Execute("west
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Execute("west;east") works though.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: I should just use execute then
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Cause you're sending it through MUSH's processor as if someone typed it.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: thanks, I also forgot the double qoutes
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: is there mush for windows 10
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well. mushclient works 99% perfectly under win10
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: everything whites out sometimes on my end but it works 99% of the time
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: how . do you fix the whiteout if it pops up?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: reboot
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fravardin bursts into tears.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: I guess its the only way
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: thanks guys
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: system reboot btw
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: close & reopen mush doesn't fix
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: what about other clientz?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: like cmud or something
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nokfah Tech: I've never had an issue with MUSH on win 10 for what it's worth. Even seems to be a little snappier on 10 than 7.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: the mush provided byAardworlf or another one of some sorts?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nokfah Tech: the AardMUSH package the Fiendish hosts on GitHub. Not sure if that is the same on linked to on the aard site.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: I'll get that one to avoid complications
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: with which mushclient script command can i send tells to the mud with collor tags ? i mean the  etc tags
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: w etc
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Have to put a second @ to make it show.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: with Note ?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: are you talking about ColourNote and ColourTell?
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: maybe those work
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oh, as for a print with colour tags, I know there's ColourNote, but I haven't bothered to look into it.
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: i catch inventory with invdata tag
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: the eq name is there with the w g etc in the name
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: ahhh its TextToColourTell
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: TextToColourTell is from Bast, it first converts the string to styles and then uses ColourTell with RGBColourToName
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish has written what i think you want tufke but i can't recall the function name unfortunately
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm pretty sure it's one of the plugins or "requires" in the plugins or lua folder
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: i think i have the solution from a bast script
T3/r7/2016-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah cool then
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: isn't assert'ing the only way to dynamicize lua code? i mean, since whatever's the assertion is going to be in a string. and the string can be made up of variables... that's why i thought that was the point of asserting stuff (and not of "catching" errors)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: heh, its a longshot but anyone know of any job postings that are remote or in PA?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I should specify that the job I am looking for is for a programmer
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: fpga programmer ? or be more specific :P
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: however I thought there are plenty of web pages with job offers for IT
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Indeed there are, but as I said this was a long shot. I was looking for one that might have not been posted or one that was in a smaller company
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: This would be my first job as a programmer, since the career change, so I am a bit at a disadvantage heh
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: tech -h
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emeris Tech: how do I move my s&d window when it gets too high on the screen?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can the mapper tell me the distance to a room?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what command?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and will it take my portals into account?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: command? no. when you have quicklist off and you find things it will sort by distance
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: note I don't actually recommend turning quicklist off right now
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh so i can't actually know how many speedwalking/portaling steps it takes for me to get to a given roomid?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and why not?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mine is off. i have no issues
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it can be slow
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: changing subjects a bit i had to remove the assert from gmcphelper's very first function last night
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: made it return value right away
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: in order for it to stop giving me errors
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think I've already done that. 
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway, if it gave you an error it was because you called it at a bad time
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: data not there, etc. anyway like I said I think I've already relaxed that (not released)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is the pathfinding algorithm the most complex thing in the mapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh and about gmcphelper, how is the data not there when without assert it gives me the info? (and with it it gives me an error or nil)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not anymore (unreleased)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and I don't know without a bug report
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: something about an unexpected symbol somewhere :p
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: actually, pathfinding might still be the most complicated part
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway. no more questions tonight. too busy to answer them
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: send to email or note
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: does anybody else's output screen go black sometimes (question not directed at fiendish)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: never
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}General Zoot Tech: mine used to when I played on an old laptop
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it goes black for like an instant. seems mud input (incoming data) solves it
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: or if i scroll the output
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is it what happened with your laptop?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}General Zoot Tech: yup
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: #laptopthings
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not so Smooth Tech: is there a plugin for mush client that creates a mini window showing mobs/items in your current room?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: Out of curiossity, is there a such thing as a trigger or something, that rt campaign
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: lol, oops distractions
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: that matches off what you type and plays a sound rather than what comes in, like recalling?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You can do that with aliases.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: you could set up an alias that turns on a sound trigger, I guess? I'm not 100% sure what you're asking
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you could make an alias to do a runto and play a sound.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: not sure why you need the sound if you set up an alias
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I never understand why anyone would want sounds, but that's just me lol
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I was imagining a alias trying to do something that played a sound when it completed
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You're not blind, either.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: very true.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Blind people rely on sounds. ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: I might kinda use sounds a little more than necissary...
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne grins evilly at Pyra.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: lol, it's okay pyra, to each their own.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: Lucron i
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I'd stay and help, but work clothes are calling me, and work is needing me, and I can barely keep my eyes open.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: put your work clothes on, go to work, and nap.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: for a trigger a sound is a good idea, not really needed for alias since you type it in to invoke it
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: sound advice from tech.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded nods at Zetkax.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Zetkax: Unless you're blind and you want to make sure you typed the correct word. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: but alias turning on a sound trigger to make sure it completes makes sense
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: na don't really need it  LOL. like recalling in battle for instance, screen reader can't keep up
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: aricidayne, they would use a screen reader to play back everything
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: I'm slower listener than most screen reader users
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: it's okay pyra, if it's what you need, we can help ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne smirks at Zetkax's saying.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I'm well aware of that, you know. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: But screen readers do have a bit of lag since they're reading everything.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: you should see the vi soundpacks in other muds. LOL, I'm spoiled I had sounds for every little thing
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I feel bad for a screen reader trying to keep up with this spam lol
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne giggles at Pyra's actions.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: They bypass a lot of it, and use spam reduce.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: lol used to it
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I've listened to them before - dated a blind girl who used one for the MUD. Was quite interesting.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: the point im making is sound for an alias is not really necessary - pyra asked for a sound off a trigger, not an alias
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I'm pretty sure neither of my windows ever stop scrolling lol
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: what I don't get is how you sighted people read this fast! LOL jk
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Zetkax: Read what she said... she asked for something that matches off what you type and plays a sound rather than what comes in.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: lol, pyra, I don't get it either, so much happening lol
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Eh, I can read several hundred words per minute. *shrug*
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: problem is there's no set string for certain things like recall, unless I want the sound every time I came into aylor
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: working off this -> Pyra Tech: Out of curiossity, is there a such thing as a trigger or something, that rt campaign
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: lol that was a mistake
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: k :)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: zet, it's fine, we can all figure out what he/she meant lol
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: go off the next one
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: someone called me and i forgot I had a full light and typed rt campaign
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I still think an alias for RT that parses runto %1 and plays a sound is best option.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: not unto
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: a full light?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: full line. I had stuff in my input
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Later, all. Enjoy!
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: pyra, so give me an example of what you'd want this for.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: say something rt campaign
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: no. Say I wanted a sound when I recalled
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: do you want a sound when you attempt to recall, or when you attempt to recall and succeed?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: there's no set string for recalling, but sometimes recalling or fleeing in battle works and I don't hear it yet and I'm still spamming it
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: ooh, good one.  hrm.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: can't count the times I get about ten things of "you are already in your recalll."
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yeah, maybe if you triggered off of that?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: instead of the recall, on the subsequent stop spamming recall messages?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: guess. If no way to do it then I might. 
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: that'll work
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I can't think of a way to have it beep or something if you succeed with triggering off of the room name, and it would then beep every time you went into that room.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: I could use that strategy with healing too...
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: could also work with the absense of sound.  trigger of of all the failed recall messaages, and when you DON"T here the sound, then stop.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: true
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: man, I like this, making me think outside the box and be all creative ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: try making sounds and triggers for VI and you will. What really bugs me is that people have already done this junk, just don't know how to do it.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: not for qaardwolf, but the same client.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: Aardwolf
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: for the campaign question, i use an alias cpr to stand, "xrt campaign, cp request" - if im already on a quest it says "You are already on an active campaign!
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: test
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: it works!
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i get the message "Commander Barcett tells you 'Good luck in your campaign!'" when i successfully get a new campaign
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: anyone using compact mode?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: me
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ultracompact mode actually
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: ultra?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: compact mode + gag blank lines (little trigger of mine)
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: ok, I ain't using triggers, but compact seems great at the moment
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: pretty simple: regexp "^$". omit from output
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: I play on 4 different devices so i like it simple and clean, only using things I can set online
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: Is it allowed to make a trigger farming gold? Killing some mobs in the same room over and over. 
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: you cant make a trigger to kill mobs
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: sorry, not allowed to
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: No? I use Search and destroy, and have Accelerator keybinds in a script so Ctrl+Q finds something, and Ctrl+W and Ctrl+E does a  go 1;ak, and a ak;nx respectively. That way I'm having to manually do the hunting, it's just less typing to do it.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kieran Tech: help policy7
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: ok, thanks.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: its not legal to stack go 1 followed by ak, you need to wait till you reach the room before you ak
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Is it okay to have ak followed by nx?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yes, but does that work?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: yeah, if the mob is in that room, the fight overrides the attempt to move.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: for when there's multiple options where a campaign mob might be.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: removed the ak from my Ctrl+w.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: But my triggers are only sounds. Everything I do requires a keyboard input.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: what is the best setup for aardwolf on an andriod LG tablet?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Is there a command to show available colour names for colournote?
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: There is a colour picker ALT+6
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: \\\world.Debug "colours"
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Click on one of the colors and you'll see a full list, honestly not sure if there is an easier way...
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Also, ask Abelinc, he knows all!
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Thanks, Abelinc!
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: That's beautiful.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: You're beautiful~!
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: great, now that song's in my head :P
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: And now it's in mine. Thanks again, Abelinc. :X
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r7/2016-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Do a good amount of people use Basts plugins? I'm writing a plugin and want to make use of the phelper Bast uses for the plugin settings and management.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what is xmapper move -1?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: I need some belp
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: help*
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: Im using blowtorch and I have the latest version of blowtorch... my only problem is whenever i backspace I have to press a couple of times before anyhting actually happens... anyone else have this problem... same thing with the actual aardwolf app as well
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: latest verson of google keyboard sorry
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shotgun Tech: any blowtorch users around?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: looks like there's about 15 on
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Anyone good with SSRS?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Never heard of it
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Sql Server Reporting Services. It's a report maker so to speak.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Hmm looks interesting
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: how do you reset the display in mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: resetaard
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: thank you!
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I think.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: that was it
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: is there a way to check whats using my internet connectioon most?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: i only want aard to use it
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I use wireshark to monitor my internet connections, it's a free download.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: how large is it?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: trying to minimise data usage since im using a stick
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: what do you mean?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shotgun Tech: how much data do you have on it?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: an internet dongle
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: like 300mb
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: if not less
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: still, your quota is in the gigabyte range. That's more than enough for most uses.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I am on aard 8 to 10 hours a day every day and my usage for the connection is about 1Gb
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shotgun Tech: i used a bit over 500mb in a month...about 6 hours of aard per day plus checking maps online
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: yes but something else is chowing data and i dont know what
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: steam is off
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: you have a 300Mb monthly quota?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: as is updating of my virus program
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: i dont have a monthly quota :P
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: its pay as you go
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: so i have to buy datra at insane prices
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: there are system updates, if you have internet access the operating system and other software may do downloads
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: those have also been turned off
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}General Zoot Tech: I used to have an app in the windows menu that would download games just randomly it came with the computer and the only way to stop it was to uninstall it. was a real pain
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shotgun Tech: where are you from?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: south africa
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: unless you have some software running that you don't know about, there shouldn't be a drain. Not from aard anyway.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shotgun Tech: ahhh...data is sooo expensive here :/
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: use the task manager to see what's running in your system.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: OK
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I would load the system monitor from sysinternals, it's a microsoft sponsored exe which gives you a lot of info on what's running. I think it has monitoring capbilities, too.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: it has a small footprint
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: looks like it is only aard thats chowing
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: gonna have to minimise data usage then
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: make sure you have mccp on
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: type mccp to check status.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: saving 76.41%
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I don't think that aard is a data sink. As I said I use it for 300 to 400 hours a month and the usags is around 1Gb
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok, remind me again what i have to send my trigger to in order for an if statement to work?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: script statement? send to script
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: then what am i missing....:if %1 > 10 then echo %1 else echo nope end
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i am too tired to be doing this..
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: %1 and 10 can't be compared i think
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: that could be it.
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: try if tonumber("%1") > 10 then echo "%1" else echo "nope" end
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but wait. are you using Lua?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: then yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i didn't know about an "echo" function, but assuming it's like "print". then what i suggested should work
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: [string "Trigger: "]:1: '=' expected near '0'
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: where is the 0?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: part of the 10?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: pastebin it
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you have the entire contents of the trigger
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: http://pastebin.com/gnGFNrQ7
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you're missing ""s
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: see my suggestion
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if tonumber("%1") > 10 then echo "%1" else echo "nope" end
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: should work if echo is a function (never seen it like i said)
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: that was it, thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: echo doesn't work for me btw
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: its not in lua, so had to fix that as well
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: not a function on my end :p
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Are there any Postgre/SQL people around? I have a few questions about different flavors of SQL
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I am curious how popular CitusData is and how the company is differentiated from other versions of SQL/etc/
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's my understanding Citrus is a postgres plugin, not a replacement
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: OK. Any chance you can give me a high level overview of why this is cool or doesn't matter?
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I dont know that much about this space
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm afraid I'm not really one to talk about Citrus, I don't know more than I've already said
T3/r7/2016-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: OK thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: There is a drowned body in the Hotel area,full of maggots.It is mistake - if body was long in the water,at depth,there can't be ANY maggots !!!
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: they are magic maggots
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: ... !!!
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: the maggots formed before the body was submerged .. the maggots are dead too 
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: That explain the stuff ! That easy ... !
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Snowangel Tzadkiel puts her CSI kit back in it's case and walks off to the next scene
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qbano Tech: does anyone have a plugin to manage Aarch pieces?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: they posted an alias that sorts your stuff.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: pamphlets only
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qbano Tech: shouldn't be too hard to modify, i guess?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: how can i also capture echo channel to the aard comms log?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: doesnt seem to be an option for it
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: So much troubles with those debian/debilian databases for recomp and overall linux code troubles ! Is there is a SIMPLEST MUD source available,on a normal human C or java language ?!?!
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: circle mud is c based if i remeber correctly...
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: yup,got that ok. but is there is a more SIMPLE ?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: not that i know of.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: With CircleMUD had to plow off half of code as unnecessary
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: unnecessity
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: Suppose it is better to start from plain scratch...
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: better pick other game type than mud
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: forking is the reason you would want to use something already made...
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: unless you only want single player
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: Coop ?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: Already got experience ages ago
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: I really want to get a knack on a multiplex socket handling
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: with modern tech
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: Suppose,java does ?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: ...oh well,maybe i should begin study with simple chat progs...
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avram Tech: But LINUX is a headache for amateurs
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: to say amd's higher clock speed = better is like saying food with higher calories will make you fat faster
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: not so simple
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there are more factors to be taken in account
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Hahaha I feel the same Lobisomem :P
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i mean, yes? but for a layman, the more subtle differences in architecture, core count, size of caches on the chip among other things are not meaningful metrics
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: and as long as someone is buying in a price range as opposed to direct performance considerations, these secondary benchmarks are relatively the same in each price bracket
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i've heard alternative (amd/ati) stuff has higher benefit/cost ratio
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but that mainstream (intel/nvidia) is higher performance but a lot more money
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: At the end of the day it all depends what you're using it for.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i've only had intel/nvidia so far because i'm affraid to change
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and i used to live in a hot place when amd = higher temps. not sure if that still applies
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: in my experience, heat isn't as a big concern for CPUs since the industry moved away from the clock speed race around the pentium 4 era.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but what about graphics cards? (ati)
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Now thats a tough one, but Nvidia still trumps ATI at this given point in time.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: graphics cards are more about board manufacturers than chipset. you want to look for people who benchmark or review them as having good airflow and temps
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: also, there is a bit of an anti-competition problem in the graphics chip industry that heavily favors nvidia right now
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: mostly has to do with physx and trade secrets on tessalation rendering
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Principium nods at Mr. Dash.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's why i usually play safe and buy nvidia
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Though you cant go wrong by buying a High-end ATI card.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: ati is safe also. but they dont do high end cards:)
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Guess it depends on what you classify as high end.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: ive bought 3 cards in 10 years. after each hunt, ati always won. but low-mid range
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: i mean.. that physx. what is it anyway? they compare games&fps side by side and both look exactly the same
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: physx is an engine for using the GPU to generate particles
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and other physicsy things
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it won't change the frame rate. it will increase the effects levels
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you think they look the same, then you're not looking at the thing they want you to look at
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone around for mush client questions?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Depends.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Just ask your question.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I made an alias to disable a trigger.  trigger name is what you are triggering off of?  do you have to name it?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I was typing, and checking my triggers/aliases lol
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: It's the label of the trigger, and yes, you have to label it if you're going to enable/disable it.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, next question, I get a lot of runtime errors when swapping eq from aardwolf_weaponswitch.  how can I find out why?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: The errors themselves will tell you why.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: attempt to index local 'witem' a nil value
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Example: [string "Alias: "]:11: 'end' expected (to close 'if' at line1) near '<eof>'
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Yep, tells you that witem is not being set for some reason.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: My dad would call me on the phone sometimes before he died. He would say things like "I tried to check my mail but got an error message." And I would say "Did you read what the message said?" And he would say "No. Let me try again."
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: wow, just got called a user by fiendish..I may go drown myself.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne snickers softly.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You need to go through the code and find out why witem isn't being set, or if it's a typo, etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sounds like good memories :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wtime sounds like a typo
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean item
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: witem
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you sound like a typo
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: w probably stands for weapon
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: well...that sounds like a hoot.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Is it a plugin you created, or someone else?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: someone else, it's the weapon_switch plugin, probably from bast or built into mush lol
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Probably neither.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: The plugin will have an author, of course.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: onitosu2 or something
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Yep, neither.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh man. anything written by onoitsu is wicked old
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I've only adde din bast, the normal stuff in mush, and winkles.  thiws was there lol
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Look for where witem is set (probably a trigger) and see if that trigger is still applicable, or if you have to change it.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: talking about plugin someone created. i might have made something that could be of general use. i'd like to ask you guys if it's worth packing it into a plugin and "releasing"
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's a "tool" to aid the creation of mapper portals
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: How does it aid?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: for example, "padd worn" (the nicest feature imo), will add the portal currently worn with current room as destination. besides. one can change portal bag at will (using the right command of course) without need to redo all portals
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: also something i like a lot (pretty simple though) is "prem <no>". will remove portal #<no>
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: well the rest is pretty basic. i like "padd worn" though. "padd <id>" also works
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Not bad, really.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I think there are some Swalec plugins.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you think people would want to use that?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I also hear the price of tea in China is exhorbitant at times.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I don't know. I'm not other people.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hugotski Tech: Ohhh....... all the time you spend on MUSH......you could actually play instead. ;) I rest my case.......you love that thing I guess. :()  
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: people keep telling me that
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "pbag <id>" will set portal bag's id, and "pset <id>" will set "permanent" portal (the one you wear for the stats)
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: do you have a similar tool for managing your portals arcidayne?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Should add the ability to change upon level. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I have an alias, and that's about it.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i might reach a point (i guess everybody does) where that will no longer be that useful (once i have all of the portals set), but i quite like it
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: cough, it's included with bast.  so there ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but that's a good idea. i'll probably do that once i'm changing my permanent portal heh. :p atm is always aard amulet
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i can only wear the tiger of kai when i'm close to drag
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, so since this weaponswitch plugin is really old, I'll remove it, it was the disarm plugin included with bast...no sense trying to fix it.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I wear three different portals based on level. At level 1-20, I wear aard amulet. Level 20 to 112, I wear Gladiator Pass. Then Tiger of Kai.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm gonna do glad's goal at t9 for the 100% exploration
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Get the portal earlier, then go back for the 100% exploration.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Much easier.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can do it at T7 I think.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. aren't you able to user tiger of kai sooner arcid?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Nope. My Kai is level 182.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: !! why haven't you gotten a 177 yet?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So I wear it at level 112.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Because I don't really need it? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh yeah it's just that i'm a bit perfecompletionist :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Then why haven't you got one at level 172???
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: because it's impossible :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: No it's not.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ah
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: objlower. ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: a mob kill =/= spending of qp :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: reply seriously? :p nobody at all?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that was a mis :p
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: reply seriously? that was a mis?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Arcidayne's head.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Anyway, getting close to dinner date time, so adios.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone have a current disarm plugin?
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: using mushclient have a question about for (numeric)
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: must be a serious question if you are still typing it up
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: I want to access the step it is on, using the i variable, but it isn't letting me do so, just says i is not defined.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Let's see your code
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: for i = 1, %1 do
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: sorry, copy and paste didn't work
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: for i = <somenumber>, <tosomenumber>
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: pastebin or gist.github is good for multilines in a channel.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: for i = 1, %1 do Execute "where .%2" end -- for loop
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: haha it took the \ out
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: should be i.2%
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: also an @w
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: like suggested, perhaps let us see the whole function in a pastebin link or something
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: ok... yeah it is confusing this way
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i'm losing interest. how long does it take to copy and paste a block of text and then copy and paste a link to us? O.o
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: sorry, never used pastebin before, if it is bothersome then don't answer
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: http://pastebin.com/UHfUZW55
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: what I'm trying to do is make an alias that will repeat x times and tell me the locations of monsters bearing the name y
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: how do i turn off the vibration on my phone for text
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: first, that's not your phone.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: second, probably under settings.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: oh no
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: when using a function like AddTrigger(BSTR TriggerName, BSTR MatchText, BSTR ResponseText, long Flags, short Colour, short Wildcard, BSTR SoundFileName, BSTR ScriptName) what do I put if I don't want anything for a given argument, for instance if I want to skip long flags and go to colour.
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: sorry for the spam, thought I should include argument place holders for clarity
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: just use ""
T3/r7/2016-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: anyone here modified fiendish's comms log to make it tabbed?
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (if they did they never told me about it)
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I am super disappointed that Apple didn't make any MBP or Air announcements at WWDC
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: how do you reset the eqdb file with bast pluggins?
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: anyone on that can help me with some bast plugging issues, i cant seem to use get # to work...
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: anyone able to help with a pluging issue, bast pluging not using get # 
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: just finished #sub/#gag plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nice
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's one thing where I do think MUSHclient went overly-complicated on
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it was a crazy amount of work to get right because it accounts for stupid things that are possible but that Aardwolf probably will never do
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/development/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/text_substitution.xml
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: geez. thanks for that!
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like if I did it right it will handle GMCP messages (stupidly) wedged in the middle of incomplete lines
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and restricts gmcp edits to only the comm.channel.msg body
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm sure there are some bugs in there. probably related to newlines
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hehe, lobi will take care of the newlines ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: looks like I just found a newline bug! lol
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I wonder what causes it
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Angel Castiel Tech: Anyone know why WindowAddHotspot is returning an eOK, but is not actually creating the hotspot? (WindowHotspotList isn't showing it, just other ones i had setup previously)
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: Comcast "did work" in my building, now internet is dead. Jacob from Comcast says they need to send a tech out here. anything I can try beyond powercycling and using different coaxial ports?
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: probably not much, modems aren't designed for much more than that
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: didn't think so but I'm frustrated and want to take it out on something with blinky lights.
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: if its your modem you might be able to get into a web interface and test a few things, but if you dont know anything about that you'll probably do more harm than good :p
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: happen to know off the top of your head what IP Cisco modems use? :p
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: just point your browser at your local gateway ip
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snub Tech: check ifconfig if ur on windows
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: the part like 192.168.0.1 usually when you are 192.168.0.x for example
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snub Tech: ipconfig*
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: nod, I know my router is 192.168.1.1
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: load up firefox and put the numbers in if it does anything interesting you will know
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: ehhh, just says scanning for downstream
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: might be a problem in hardware or something stupid on the isp end
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: interesting modems have neat webpage interfaces usually
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I didn't bother to log in as admin
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I'm about 90% sure the techs working on the building shut something off for the building
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: ...but odd that we still have cable TV, so who knows.
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: they prolly have a server in the building
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: thats what they had in a building i lived in
T3/r7/2016-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: dont pay your bill they unplug it
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: does gmcphelper.lua not provide a gmcp() function?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: gmcphelper.lua is not the gmcp handler plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess the handler plugin includes gmcphelper.lua though...
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but you'd have to use the callplugin interface
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: he was probably referring to gmchelper then because that has a gmcp() function
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which is not apparent from the note
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's the one i use to retrieve gmcp data
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but he's comparing both
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: saying there's a difference, but showing the same code for both which I don't think is valid
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "x is broken" is never a useful report
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: esp it its the gene
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aezure Tech: is there a client we can download on phone so we can play aardwolf?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aezure Tech: a decent client?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I wish where was alphabetized...trying to find a tree, and had to go through 8 tree nymphs first.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anders Tech: I made an alias to simplify that, you can give it a number and it will where that many mobs like 1.tree 2.tree 3.tree etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: with the bast plugins you can just use get item# and it will get the item out of qhat ever bag it is in, this is not working for me, anyone able to help me with this?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone have a good disarm plugin?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: so, question, if you've got a box that pops up on your screen every few mins but it goes away so quick you can't read what it says, if it's an error message, or some other message, how would you go about tracking down what it might be?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: every few minutes?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: well it's actually probably less than 2 mins... I haven't timmed it so not sure if it's at regular intervals
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: just wasn't doing it yesterday and windows did an update last night while I slept... 
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: watch the taskbar for a flashing icon, do automatic screenshots
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: when it happens can you see that there's text or whatever? I would try setting up a screen recorder and then play back the recorded vidoe
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh crap, you got the W10 virus? :P
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: not on win 10
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I reformated and went back to win7, didn't like win10
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (was a joke about "windows did an update last night")
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: and of course, it's like a sick kid, when I start talkin to you guys the shit stops, *grumble*
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd still set up a screen recorder to capture video of the desktop
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nod, looking for software for it atm
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'll be curious to find out what it is
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone know of a good disarm plugin?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: to clarify, one that requips after disarm, preferably updating when weapons are changed...possibly even including a changing weapons part.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kylia Tech: you could just make a trigger to get all, wear all
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what am I, a barbarian? rofl...if I have to make it myself, it will be more refined than that lol
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kylia Tech: just seemed strange that you wanted a plugin for it
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: well it's recording now to see if it will pop up lol, it stopped once I started talking to you guys
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kylia Tech: maybe if we leave the room, it'll start up again! lol
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: LOL maybe :) maybe I just need to shut the channel off for a bit, lol
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kylia Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lucron: Bast has a "weaponswitcher" plugin which includes rearm trigs
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I use 4 separate triggers for disarm/rearm, personally
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: wake
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sleep
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: rest
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: which plugin does the "time to tick: *" thing at the status bar?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WIBBLING Bastra Tech: stupid question time kinda, i'm a very very new win ten user, how the heck do i create new folders? the ribbon is confusing and i can't find that option in the file explorer
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: someone had have problems with win 10 and mush detected like a virus?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: http://imgur.com/AQM0ivh
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: WHAT
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish sighs.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well that's annoying
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: I had have to restore it, because deleted the file
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: no, I haven't had that, and I've downloaded and ran it a dozen times.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: just today, I used it lots of times, but just today it wasn't there where usually store it
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dzelgo Tech: I had the same issue. Had to download MUSH again and copy the exe file over. 
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: also, don't use defender, it kills kittens.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: my anti-virus is regular software updates and disabled flash/java.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bishoujo Raded crosses his arms and nods sagely to himself.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: also, raded games on an etchasketch.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: that or one of those punchcard driven sewing machines
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: does microsoft have a way to send them an exe so they can verify that it's not a virus and remove the bad definition?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I've already had to do this for symantec once. goddamn overzealous piece of garbage software vendors
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: can i hijack this conversation for help on something else now?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: is there a chance that an actual virus replicated the path and filename in a temp folder?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: Bode: go ahead, there are simultaneous conversations on here all the time :p
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: i upgrades my client and now i cant use "get #id" to get stuff out o fbags, anyone know how to reset this?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: whats your question
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: (i was typing :P )
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: all my portal aliases are set up using this feature.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish it would be awesome if chat plugin supported background colors to easier differentiate between stuff like FT and TECH
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: they do
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: dont remember how but they do
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: if "get itemid# bagid#" isn't working, there's either an alias getting in the way or you're using the wrong ID#s
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: i dont use the bagid# bast plugings keep track of inventory so its that piece thats not working
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: oh, I got it. no idea then.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: sigh, day 3 same answer... unless i go back to my old client.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: bode: is overloadinventory set to true in "eqdb set", if not, try setting that to true with "eqdb set overloadinventory true"
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Anyone familar with a SSH / terminal program for Iphone that lets you create buttons on screen?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amarufox Tech: .ap
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I could never find a ssh app for iphone that I really liked
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Amarufox blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: (Semi-related, juicessh for android is wonderful)
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Yeah looking at an iphone for mudding through SSH - but doesn't seem as handy as a full keyboard where you can create macros...
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't think I'd want to mud on a phone without a bluetooth keyboard
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: I have a hard enough time on my laptop! ;o)
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: It's fine with a keyboard and tintin...but yeah from little I've tried on iphone not as handy.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: don't you guys think the screen is abit small on a text base game? XD
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i don't see myself mudding without a keyboard and at least a medium-sized screen
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: An Ancient Moofie is agreeing with that Lobisomem person again...
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: my notebook's screen seems too small already
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Just gotta temper expectations...don't expect a mini-windows and such...
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: a 720p projector pic may seem huge but it doesn't fit all the stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if anyone sees bode later, another thing that he should note is that when he upgrades his client, he needs to move Bast's database files over from the Logs folder
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for ios devices, my preferred client is iSSH...it's not free, but it's very featureful for my purposes...it does ssh, telnet, raw socket, Remote Desktop, VNC, Xwindows, and can tunnel all of the visual ones through an ssh connection
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I have a bluetooth keyboard about the size of an iphone 4s
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: issh lets you create custom keyboards as well as buttonsets
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the buttons that you create for it are in the form of what it calls a "pie menu" rather than "press somewhere on the screen to make a button" like blowtorch
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you can cretae multiple 8-button "pages" of pie menu, so I have the "move around" page with n/s/e/w/u/d/hom/enter, the "move around the screen" page, with arrow keys, pgup/dn, home and end, etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: Hey I was wondering if I could get a bit of help making spell macros?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: its way faster to just ask the question you want to ask :)
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: What do you mean?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: be exact
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: he probably doesn't know what questions to ask yet :)
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: Well, I've never used a mud client before, so
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: I'd like to be told how to make a macro for the spell soulburn
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What do you want the macro to be?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: cast soulburn
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: cast soulburn <target> to be more specific
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: a macro is when you press one key, and the client sends one or more commands for you.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: the problem is, you have to know in advance all the variables you want to include in the command, like target.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: <target>
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're making it overly complicated. Get combat started, then you can cast without a target.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mannec is agreeing with that Birdbrain Metria person again...
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: a macro is handy for that
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: safer that way, too - harder to accidentally initiate combat.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Abelinc - issh appears to be no longer supported...
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: well then, I'd like to make a macro for "Cast soulburn"
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I meant what key do you want it to be
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: it _is_ possible to build a combination of aliases, triggers, and macros that will automatically choose your next target, and make that one button-press do the right thing - but thats a little more advanced.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: alt+q is fine
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Are you using mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: Cliffie, a macro is what we call pressing a key and having a command executed. So you have to choose which key (or key combination you want). Something liek alt-s
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: I'm using the one gotten off the aardwolf website
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zengo Tech: mostly you can just type "c " and an abbrevuiation for the spell, then if you press enter it will repeat the command
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: In that case press control-shift-2 and then you can edit the definition for alt-q
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zengo Tech: why make things complicated ?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: He didn't ask how I'd do it, he asked how to make a macro.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: does anyone have -or know of- a good campaign plugin?  I cant get the one on the muchclient forums from 2011 or whenever to work, and I am expecting that theres probably something newer out there
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: Zengo, let him try it with a macro, after he uses it he can decide if that is what he really wants.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: he got both answers - its almost like educational.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zengo Tech: sure, 'risto, no problem
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Patiently, Anaristos beams a smile at Zengo.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cliffie Tech: Alright, thanks for the help guys, I've got the macro I want now
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: don't forget to use google to find mushclient scripting tutorials, they may give you some (better) ideas.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dzelgo Tech: I tend to use winkle winkle's mapper extender. It adds campaign functionality.
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: thanks, I will google/find that one and check it out
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: anyone use prompt2 for ios?
T3/r7/2016-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiweida Tech: oh man the moment I remove ad hoc debug statements from some complex code, a bug shows up in that code
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: anyone free to answer a question?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: no I charge for answers :)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: ok :(
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: also probably better to specify the general subject matter as I have heard everything from car repair to rocketry questions on this channel
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: need help on plugins
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: ahh yeah that isn't me :)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: okie np
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: all I know about plugins is how to download and enable them
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I'm no Fiendish, but I can try and help yah.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: I have a new computer now and lost my old mushclient with the campaign and speedwalk pluggin 
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: Oh
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: no idea how to get them back again
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: Search & Destroy
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: You should be abvle to find that plugin by searching for that string
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, S&D is the common one.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: ww winkles are the ones I use, thats mapper extender, S&D, and spellups
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: https://code.google.com/archive/p/aardwolf-scriptalicious/
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: You can find pretty much all of the plugins you mentioned on that page
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: thank you so much
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: Happy to help! :D
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: once i dl them how do i install the pluggin? sorry im really noob in IT stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: drop them in MUSHclient/worlds/plugins, and then in the client go to File -> Plugins. Click Add, then select them and hit open.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: thanks alot renoir 
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm fiendish!
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I don't believe you.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Renoir: if you want you can be Fiendish too.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oh, Hrm. That's a tempting prospect.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I just did #sub {Renoir} {Renoir (no fiendish)}
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh man, that sub makes it hard to know if I pasted the sub in right
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I wonder if I should color flag subs
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe I need to make an on/off toggle
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I think you're overthinking this a little bit.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no this is definitely a good idea
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'll be so happy once I get all the kinks worked out of this sub plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: color handling and lua pattern limitations are a thorn in my side
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I just had to refactor aardwolf_colors.lua to canonicalize target color codes to 3 digit x values
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and to insert ansi bold into x256 ansi values 7-15, and some other stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: 8-15? 8-15
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: quick question, anyone know where I could find a resource on using an android phone to scan for local phones and routers that are broadcasting? I want to write an app that scans for this and uses levenshtein's algorithm for calculating the distance to the node. Then display it like a radar on your phone so you can pinpoint phones and routers that are near
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I found stuff on finding routers and broadcasted SSIDs but I can't seem to find anything on finding just phones that have wifi turned on, not necessarily connected to anything
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: that's probably because having wifi turned on and not connected doesn't mean anything, why would you even want to report on that?  you couldn't connect to them.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I know almost nothing about Android, but I think you cannot really detect idle phones
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I mean at least till they try to transmit / advertise / answer specific packet
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: plus showing a list of all phones around you, with any level of identification, could really only be used for negative reasons, and would probably not be allowed anyway.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Lucron because I want to write a small radar looking app so you can see the physical location nearby of handhelds
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also I think that phones are really not expected to answer any communiation that was not first initiated by them
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I am not attempting to interface with the other phone at all
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I am just trying to determine the location of them.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what he's saying is just having wifi on isn't something you could track or trace outwside of that phone
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: if they were a hotspot, then it would work just like a router
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: and you could track those.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: so you mean you want to intercept their communication ? or want to make them responding?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I don't want to interface AT ALL with them
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, to detect phone you need to receive its packets, right?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: unless something is actively broadcasting a wireless ssid, you can't really detect them...there you go.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I mean that phone needs to transmit something in order to be detected
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: only its broadcasted packets searching for a network to connect to
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I don't want to do anything other than look at the signal strength and signal, so I can determine the rough location
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: sonet, if you make your phone advertise its a hotspot im pretty sure you will detect all the nearby phones - you can kind of work out distance by signal strength but i think thats pretty inaccurate - for direction, you would have to move your phone around a bit?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: you would have to move a bit but that this is just a proof of concept
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: seems like an invasion of privacy to me if you are tracking other peoples phones without their concent
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thraxas Tech: you're trying to create an application that can treat nearby phones as homing beacons so you can find them? who are you trying to follow?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: +1 ralyn
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: app would never make it to an app store, and probably get you watched by the fbi rofl
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: you going to the FISA court and getting a warrent to track these people?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: I can't spell this morning :P
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thraxas Tech: hmm if you dont trust your partner just ask them
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: or use friend my friends :P
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: lol, so the answer to my question is no, no one has any relevent resources you all just want to look into my motive and speculate on the ramifications of this? Am I correct?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: which they have to grant you the right to see where they are
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: well, either way it's most likely illegal
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: It is a program to enable us to play manhunt at night based off of our phones, but way to think of it as some type of spying thing
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thraxas Tech: yes its technically possible ... no I'm not going to help you ... does that help? :)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: then use friend my friends
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: oh that's ios, sorry.. don't know a similar andriod app
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thraxas Tech: if thats what you want to do ... easiest way is all create a google account set to track location give each other passwords to accounts and use google locate
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Thrax I was asking if anyone knew resources off the top of thier head, not for help with implementing it
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i use wifi analyzer by keuwlsoft (not sure of spelling) to show me signal strength of wifi routers and channels, have you seen apps like that?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I have, they even have similar things like 'wifi radar' on android to what I am asking about, I was just interested in the how.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i havent seen anything give direction though
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Zet look up wifi radar
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: k :)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone have a good stat tracking plugin?  for as much as possible, qp, exp, kills, damage, whatever.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone have a good stat tracking plugin?  for as much as possible, qp, exp, kills, damage, whatever.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: oops
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I really like Basts stat tracking. Shows level details, quest rewards, cp rewards, qq rewards, and kill details. And it shows averages and such. But all the data is in a sqlite3 database, so it's not hard to factor whatever other sort of statistics you might want.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yeah, but all of his are intertwined, and 2 stopped working, and now more aren't working, and just meh.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: how many kilowatts of power does a computer use in general if all im doing is aard, approximately
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I don't think that question has an answer we can give. There are special devices you can put between your computer and your power outlet to measure that
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: damn
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: cuz my landlady is freaking out and its gertting on my nerves :P
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: one way to look at it and gauge, is what wattage the Power Supply is. Assuming a 750 watt PSU, if it were running at full capacity, you're using .75 kilowatt/ hour
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: And if its just running windows, a browser, and mush, it'll be using significantly less than full capacity.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: i have a 450 watt
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: then assuming the psu were drawing and using max capacity, (which it isn't) you'd be using less than half a kilowat per hour.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: i assume significantly less is like 100 an hour approx?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lighthart Tech: if you want a somewhat better estimate of what its using, you can get/borrow a clamp-around current meter and do some math. Clamp around your power supply ug line
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lighthart Tech: -plug
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: put it this way... im basically just running aard... nothing else
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: at a 450 system, I wouldn't expect that much less, I'd estimate maybe  200-300. Cause windows itself does have overhead.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lighthart Tech: You can also check out powersupplycalculator.net
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I think it is more close to 100-150 if you use integrated graphics
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: good point. I always forget how much less those chips draw.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: But yeah, as the others said, getting a wall plug meter is the way to go, for more empirical proof. With that PSU, it physically can't be more than 10.8 kWh a day.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: for example dual E5-2430, 96 GB RAM, 6 HDDs, 2 * 900W PSUs  draws 180 Watts
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if you have a laptop then according to http://www.ehow.com/facts_7368460_average-power-consumption-laptop.html it is 15-45 watts (and according to that page 60-250 watts for desktop)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: That does also appear to be assuming that you're letting the machine go fully to sleep, which you can't do if you're intending to be always online on Aard.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: your computer isn't drawing that much power as to significantly impact a power bill.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Yeah, that's honestly the long and short of it.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you can tell your landlady you bought a special high efficient plug and it now creates power and doesn't draw...since she sounds like an idiot anyway.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: is a foxconn H61MD-V motherboard considered standard or high end?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: looks pretty standard to me.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: coolbeans thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emeris Tech: My S&D window still got moved somehow to the top right and I can't move it down, how do I fix that?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rune of Ixultar Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Emeris thanks Rune of Ixultar heartily.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emeris Tech: Thank you :)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: shot in the dark: my Windows account at work keeps getting locked out in Active Directory without me actually failing a login attempt. there's no log of any failures on my account. any ideas?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: only thing I can think of is that my laptop that I use offsite has a password cached somewhere, but the no logged failures is weird and there are no cached passwords under "User Accounts" on the local machine.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: is it possible to make a macro like alt+m to check mana?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: In mush, yes.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: how?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: I've done triggers, but never macros if there are similarities
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: CTRL+SHIFT+2 brings up Macro options.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Not sure what you mean about check mana though you can easily make it quaff a mana pot.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: no. just to report my mana without the dumb prompt telling me every time I move or checking score and getting too much info. Easier for screen reader
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I suppose an alias that extracts the info from gmcp could ge written. I don't know if it is worth the trouble, though.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: Pyra, the aardmush has plugins that give you a visual of status? Are you using it? It's a default plugin.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: I'm VI.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: He is using a screen reader so won't help.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: she. lol
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: pyra you can turn prompt off and just type "p" whenever you want prompt info
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: oh didn't know about p
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there you go :)
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: thought I just had to turn it back on
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: ah, I see. My apology.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: But you can get the data from GMCP with maybe 2 lines....wouldn't be hard if you just want to print mana.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: yes, then the gmcp route is the best.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: not really sure what gmcp is bessides that it gives me quest bonusses
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: That's MCCP.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: All GMCP is a way for the client to communicate with the MUD behind the scenes...
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: oh. Omg I really need a very comprehensive in depth mush guide
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: gmcp can be described as the server-client communication channel.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: various data is pushed by the server automatically or upon client request.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I know that Fiendish has been trying to make Mush more VI friendly, can reach out to him with a note.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: I think there should be a vi channel. You know how many times I've had to ask for this kind of help?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Honestly, neither of us are VI (that I know of) but we can help so I think that might be better option than a channel someone might not have on :).
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: Pyra, we apologize. We want you to paly comfortably here. Any ideas you have on how to improve the VI experience here please post on the ideas board.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyra Tech: oh ok. No need to apologize. Just that I'm having trouble figuring out where to put stuff like this when I'm not sure if it's going to be a techy answer or a question channel answer. Getting awkward every time I have to do it
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: well, client questions would be on this channel. Play questions on question/answer.
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Any SQL/similar DB experts around? Want some advice on how to structure a new DB
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emeris Tech: I not too bad with mysql/postgresql... what you needing?
T3/r7/2016-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you're putting the same data into multiple tables, you're not doing it right and need to normalize things
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lechist Tech: I've just upgraded to win 10 and downloaded the latest Mush client. Is there an easy way to update all my old macros etc or do I just identify the right files and copy them across? 
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you go to aard's website, click on the screenshot of the client and click download client, that page tells you which are the right files
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lechist Tech: Oh  right thanks. :)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the only other files would be the ones in the Logs directory if you use any of bast's database stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lechist Tech: I think the standard files will be great thanks. :)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: noexp
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: mis
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: NOEXP!
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is there a way to force the mapper to assign a specified ID to a room that receives no ID from gmcpw
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: in other words: how to manually assign id to a room (and ignore id mismatch :p)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: based on what?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the room beside it tells me its id :p (list of exits)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: How would it know that room without a id is the one you chose?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the room beside it tells me : exit - e - id 9999. then i go east: noid_etcetcetc. then i go north: exit - s - id 9999
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's enogh for me to know that room's id is 9999
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: enough*
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: honestly, the proper solution is to make the room next to it NOT tell you. that's actually a bug in the Aardwolf nomap code
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: besides which you'd only ever be able to make the match when going directly from the room that tells you to the one that doesn't
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you were to portal in, then what information do you have about the room?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish your imm application is long due :p you're no longer a player. you're an imm by heart
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: imms don't get to make code changes. only Lasher does
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but anyway, i don't think an automatic thing would be good. i'm wondering if i can set it *manually*. like i can set exits manually throug "mapper cexit e" for example and tell it to ignore mismatches
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it doesn't make sense
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you still need a way to identify the room without context
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: currently the mapper uses area and room name. it _could_ go a step further and use description too.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mapper calls (id-wise) this room "nomap_Larger cave_annwn". i want the mapper to assume that room is roomid #xxx
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but again i don't want the mapper to do it for me. i just want to be able to assign numbers to rooms manualy, just like i can assign numbers to exits manually
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but it is possible that i got it all wrong in my head too
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean, about the possibility of that working
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: because like you said, that could actually not changing anything really heh
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i think i understand why you said it doesn't make sense
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'll put it this way...what is the difference in your head between number 9999 and "nomap_Larger cave_annwn" ?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah that's exactly what i just realized
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now you could answer a few things: 1) it is next to room 9998, 2) no difference, 3) there is another room named "nomap_Larger cave_annwn" and I want to differentiate them
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i guess it would only help in the few cases where the neighbor room's gmcp gives me that exit's rid. in this case number 9999 as rid to "nomap_Larger cave_annwn" would allow the mapper to draw it (and speedwalk to it). but in the cases where there are 3 or  more of such rooms ("black" rooms), it wouldn't help at all
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: 1) you can't use that information. it's not reliable. 2) then don't worry. 3) do the rooms _look_ different? if not then you can't do anything. if so then you can look into expanding the placeholder name
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: true true
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and besides, i can use "mapper cexit <dir>" and ignore exit mismatches to link them together and get the mapper to draw them all the same
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: as long as it has a unique name
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you know, this little piece of software of yours never ceases to amaze me :p
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to look into extending the placeholder name to include room description go ahead. it's slightly problematic both because a description might change if a typo gets reported in it and also because descriptions aren't sent with gmcp room.info so you need a second mechanism for capturing it
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think neither of those are huge problems. just a small amount of work 
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nah. i don't think that's necessary. i'd even say it's a bad idea exactly because of the fact they're more prone to changes (besides the necessity for a second mechanism)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: realistically, no room is actually prone to changes
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i started mapping when i knew very little about the mapper and about the areas
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: typo fixes on any particular room are quite rare
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm looking forward to restart from scratch once i have everything explored and goals done
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i hope i'm not going off chan, but mandorallen amazed me too
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: One thing I've been looking at is preventing duplicate cexits. I have a few rooms with open X;X twice or so. Probably just going to delete them manually with sqlite3.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that one is a rare type of intelligence.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the mapper won't add duplicate exits
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oh, okay. Nevermind.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: though if you already have them it might not get rid of them
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish what determines priority for pathfinder when the same room links to same destination through 2-3 cexits?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Once I get the passdoor wish, I'll be deleting all the open door cexits anyways, and remaking them as I go.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess it will let you set more than one cexit to the same destination though. that should be changed.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lobisomem: if you want to do something simpler, ^ would be it
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you mean work on the mapper code?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: awesome
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: make it so that two cexits don't go to the same location
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'll see if i can do it
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but cexit = exit in this case?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: hey fiendish, is there any way to search through mapper notes to find a particular string other than manually?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if a cexit lands in a location that already has a cexit to it from the start room, overwrite the original one instead of making another one
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: ... and you can test it out at Faykeday.  :D
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean. should the mapper allow a normal (gmcp provided) exit AND a player set cexit?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there is none gorsk and last time i asked for that fiendish threatened removing notes from the mapper
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Gorsk: search for a specific string? no sorry
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gorsk nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so i never mentined the word "mapper notes" to him ever since
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Gorsk: sounds like a useful feature though. if you can think of how it should work
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Lobisomem: yes because the mapper draws normal exits
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: mapper note search <string>?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mapper searchnotes here {<string>};mapper searchnotes {<string>}
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: or that
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe searchnote is better so you can still start a note with "search"
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh wait
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mapper note isn't a thing
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mapper note search would work I guess
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: searchnote would maintain "addnote" style
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's true
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mapper addnote, mapper searchnote
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: more intuitive
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lobisomem: one letter exits get drawn, longer ones don't
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cool. i'll put that in my todo list. omg i have a todo list! :P
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think length is also how the mapper prioritizes which exit to use
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: seems so fiendish because it's never let me down
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the pathfinder i mean.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: at least it used to be. current pathfinder might not use exit length any more
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I forget
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and by current I mean next
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: there's no way to force the mapper to count a cexit as more than 1 step, is there?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: was hoping. atm my workaround is to make cexits from all of the affected rooms to the intial room
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if there's another way in, don't set the cexit
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: that's not the problem
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: sometimes the cexit is a series of steps that take a while to do
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the mapper pathfinding does not have edge weights
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: so i don't want to redo em cause that's 2 steps and i'd rather run 3 rooms
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: so i set cexits from each individual room past it to the room the cexit leads to
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: helps alot in places like knossos and tir na nog
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: anyone on who understands mapper, specifcally bounceportal/recall?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what's up?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: sup fiendish...so I'm currently in a noportal room, pk room, I have probably not set this up right, cause my stupid mapper keeps trying to can me out of the rom.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: room
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: advice on what I did wrong?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: try to be more specific and technical in the description
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ralyn Tech: prolly bouncerecall/bounceportal stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: describe what you type and what happens
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: as detailedly as possible
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, so I've set the garbage can and my clan portal as recall portals, and bounceportal as the academy portal.  my bouncerecall is actually wrong, it's cast word, which of course I don't have yet...but should it see a noportal room and not try and portal me?  or does setting the can as a reacll portal make it try and portal me out of noportal rooms?  so confused.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: setting a portal as a recall portal means that it works in noportal rooms but not norecall rooms
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you shouldn't set either of those as recall portals
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, so taking recall portal off of those made it try and cast word first, which NORMALLY would be right, and I can live with that.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "recall", "c word" and "home" are recall commands. you should set those as "recall portals" in the mapper
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean not all three, but the ones you have access to
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right...so set a level on the c word, and also make a "recall" recallportal
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: Does the Mush mapper have a command that emits the output of 'mapper thisroom' of other room?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what's funny is I have c word portal set to 17, and it still tries, probably cause it has nothing else set yet.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it's not because it has nothing else yet
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's because you have it somewhere else as well
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not using the level-17 one
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it has nothing else, it'll just fail to find a path
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: hrm...when I do mapper portals cast word only shows up once with a level 17 entry
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it might say something else, and it might not be a portal
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could have a cexit, you could have a mapper portal which uses an alias not called c word, etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: stars: try mapper showroom xxx, then mapper thisroom
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh yeah abe i think that's a bug to be honest
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: because if i try to speedwalk after "mapper showroom xxx" it thinks i'm in that room :p
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mapper showroom basically changes your perspective to room xxx
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: Thanks Abelinc :)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and yeah, as lobi mentions, you'll want to type "look" (or move rooms manually) between doing that to find info, and actually using the mapper to move around again
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, if it's a bug rather than intended feature, I hope it's never fixed...it's how I test things without ever connecting MUSHclient to Aard :P
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's not a bug
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: showroom is there for virtual presence
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: has anybody made triggers to omit the -<[=-+-=]<:::<>:::> <:::<>:::>[=-+-=]>- stuff out of damage lines?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i hate those lol
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i wonder what's the most efficient way of taking those out
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i just use damage 5
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah but i'd lose my per-source dmg/round
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: There really isn't an easy way to sub stuff in Mush - you basically have to gag the line and replace it with whatever you want...
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: working on that right now
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what happens with damage 5 when a mob is invuln to a specific damtype
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the code is actually quite complicated
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i just get [0] damage shown at the end
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: gotta match the line and reprint with colour codes but omitting the rainbows <#!\\-++ stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: i think there is also like a immune msg
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can get 50% there with like 5 lines of code, 80% of the way with like 30 lines, 95% of the way with 500 lines
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: haha
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm working on the last %
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: is this to add a sub functionality to Mush itself?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. i wonder why is it that big? are you not making a trigger for each posible "damage name" line?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: that would be amazing!
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well, via plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: and that last 1% only takes the addition of several orders of magnatude lines of code
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm actually still doing it in Lua, but most of the complexity comes because of features I want to have
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I've never talked to developer, would it be easier to convince him to add it :P?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like I want you to be able to have pattern captures so that you can preserve original capitalizations
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and color code resets
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Oh yeah - can see what that get's complicated when you add color...
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there have been threads with gammon about it
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it usually gets mired in the "what ifs"
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: my current test #sub is "(bastra) #nocase #alone --> %1 (blind)", which does a case insensitive match and then keeps the original case while setting the color and then setting it back to whatever it was before
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ugh
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that always gets me
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one sec
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: my current test #sub is "(bastra) #nocase #alone --> %1 (@Gblind$C)", which does a case insensitive match and then keeps the original case while setting the color and then setting it back to whatever it was before
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and I'm doing it with only lua patterns, no regex
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (which is kinda hilarious in itself)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i have the skinned i might be skinned alive for asking but.. wouldn't it be "easier" for lasher to implement that as a game option? (no <*><*><||--++'s)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I had to write color code canonicalization functions to make it work
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: starts "i might be..."
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if the original text is a gmcp comm.channel.msg then it sends colors raw, and I canonicalize those to 3 digit x codes. Likewise for the ANSI codes sent in main
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Sure, but that would only help you, a sub function in Mushclient would change the world!
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lobi: for that one use case scenario, yes
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: You should suggest it as an additional damage type.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but wait isn't that what the plugin is for? supressing the added fanciness out of damage lines?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that way I always have a consistent pattern to split on so that I can look at single color substrings (after of course pulling out all subnegotiations and checking only for comm.channel
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the plugin is to implement #SUB
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh substring?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: substitution
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in a way, implementing #sub actually got significantly more complicated after the introduction of GMCP
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh cool. so it's way lower level i take it (code/structure wise i mean)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: to affect both main and gmcp data you have to work directly on packets, which of course then means you have to account for partial packets and subnegotiations
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would let me, for example, nickname you as "Fluffy"...anytime my screen would show Lobisomem, it would say Fluffy instead
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it would be nice if a regex trigger without ^$'s with omit from output and sent Tell()'s would do that already wouldn't it? :D
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would, for a non-flexible thing...it's the flexible thing that makes that not work
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: haahahahaha triggers
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: next aard client release will have channels only over gmcp which triggers can't touch
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, you can't receive channels without receiving them non-GMCP, so you should still be able to trigger (just not for your #sub)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want that you need to get Nick to add gmcp as a natively supported object instead of just a plugin inspecting packets
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not true
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: there's a gmcp only channels mode now
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, when the heck did he do that?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: see protocols gmcp
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't know, three months ago?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe longer
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: damn...and it's really there?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's the mode I've been running in for a long time
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (I just ask that because there's usually some config options before the backend exists)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: a few of my bug notes are caused by it...
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: see bug note 16650
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, one of these days I've gotta get an IMM to do one of their socials while I've got my gmcp debug on...I'm not actually sure what the multilines would look like if I echoed off that
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: \n\r probably
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: too spammy to leave my echo on all the time, and I never think about it until 3 secs after I see the social
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Mendaloth applies to immhood, so he can flip you all off properly!
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at [Outlaw] Mendaloth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Major Guinness Tech: I have a spot waiting for you! :)
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the funniest thing about line endings here is that Lasher decided he didn't like CRLF so he used LFCR instead because why the hell not
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that was actually the first bug in my #sub plugin because I never remember it
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: of course now like everything else I do the plugin is a behemoth
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: do i get output 
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: this if i do a LF but no CR?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: with apologies to citlalin
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: she probably will not be able to learn from it
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can do LF without CR, but CR without LF isn't what you think
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: do i get output 
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ________________like this if i do a LF but no CR?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, my stuff's pretty good for learning
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i mean if aard sent lf without cr
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lf on its own would work fine for mushclient. it would break my stuff though
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: inconsistent line endings are a nightmare
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what you'd get would depend on the display client...those used to be very normal case scenarios in line-based terminals...so you'd get stair-stepping for just lf, you'd get overwrites with just cr, and you'd get normal output with crlf
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man telnet protocols do make some stuff complicated
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: all for compatibility i guess
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: aard is big enough to be worthy of its own dedicated client
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: telnet is reasonably ok. I slightly hate that ANSI codes are a state machine, but I have an ANSI to aardwolf colors converter now
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah abelinc, that's what i thought. i assume telnet (the .exe) would behave like that
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: when I emailed Nick about bumping my head against a wall with this stuff the test packet he sent back to me had LFCRCRLF in it. I nearly strangled him over the internet
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, it's not just telnet...just text files have original Macs using just CR, unix using just LF, and Windows using CRLF
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I was like "look I got it working!" and he said "doesn't work for me?"
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: of course he was testing on a server that doesn't do GMCP and I don't activate anything until after the first broadcast happens because that's how you know you're actually in the game instead of, say, negotiating MCCP
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: man when i think about what working with packets would be like my brain shivers
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: best of luck to your session if you start replacing things in the binary compressed section of a packet that negotiated compression half way through
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to test #sub/#gag, you'll need these two files in your plugins folder https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/development/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/aardwolf_colors.lua   https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/development/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/text_substitution.xml
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: how the heck does he drop the mic like that and log off lol
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shelp micdrop
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: does anyone know why 'bigmap' command is getting sent after i finish a runto?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: anyone know how to reset the window position of winklewinkle's search and destroy miniwindow?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: word!
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: one day i will remember that
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Grease?
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mique Tech: AC h elp. I wiped down my screen with windex and a rag and now the top of the desktop is on the side, how do i get it backto being on the top of the laptop screen
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: every monitor is different sounds like you hit a button to flip the screen
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mique Tech: I finally figured out how to rotate a laptop desktop with win 10, ctrl + alt +directional key
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mique Tech: - h 11
T3/r7/2016-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I mean when i started even the basic concepts of the maps were confusing...if you have never seen a cexit or a portal, it's very hard to understand what is happening...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: is there a good way to detect "the lizard                     Pathway around the academy"
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dzelgo Tech: winklewinkle's search and destroy does it. If you look at ww's code, the relevant parts are in `create_quick_where_trigger`. The key is that it's enabled immediately before the command that you expect that output from is called, and then deletes itself after it matches.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: yeah, i am going with that solution
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: it just pop up in my mind XD
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WIBBLING Bastra Tech: does anyone know how to control microsoft silverlite in terms of raising and lowering volume and so on? it used to pop up in a window seperate from firefox but now it's......not
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: vlua Note(GetVariable("portal_bag"))
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oops, nevermind me.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I was going to ask about a way to get variables in a script, but google answered for me.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chou Tech: how do i automatically open the closed door while seeing the message The door is closed.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Anyone do freelance coding work? Looking to hire someone for a fairly simple job - send a tell for details
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I love it when people who can't program tell you it's going to be simple
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I can program, I just don't have time
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I love it when people assume other people are stupid :P
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Principium Tech: Bah dum tssss
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I stand corrected. But yeah, I assume everyone's an idiot until they've proven otherwise. Don't get let down quite as often that way.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Quadrapus grins evilly.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crimzon Tech: I cant code oh no
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: If I had a penny for every time a customer said "But it should just be a simple if-statement"... I could probably buy myself an icecream.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I can believe it
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: a lot of programming work is just prevention of human irresponsibility
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: And dealing with SISO.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what does lunk's mapper ninja do?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Looks like it handles the need for a portal alias, and has a lot of shortcut aliases.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish does the mapper have some "verbose" mode where it tells you everything that is happening? like for example notify the user when a room's exits were changed due to mismatch?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sort of, but it's probably not consistently applied and it's not accessible without editing the plugin body
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: at the top of the plugin there's a line that says show_database_mods
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can set it to true instead of false
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So, what's the preferred email client these days?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Nylas
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: For Windows 10, I should qualify.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: pretty sure my answer doesn't change
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: N1, thouch i juse gmail webclient myself
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: n1 = nylas
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Nylas is actually a startup by a friend of mine
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: looks purty
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Interesting.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yeah I should have said N1
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Downloading it now.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: dafuq is nylas?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: What makes it best in your opinion, Fiendish?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's super programmable
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i think it is time to write a electronjs mudclient
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: checking it out! thanks!
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I have Fozzila on my old laptop, but since I have a new one, I want to change some apps around. Heh.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Moofie: it is just a modern client that gets work done at looks very nice
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and it is OS agnostic
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Hrm... Electron Mud client.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: All this talk about building one, yet you never do. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: yeah, imagine how easy everything would be... 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i just played with electro, and node, last weak. never used it before. but like 20 lines of code i had a gui app and it connected to aardwold and showed the login screen
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and i think it would have run on mac, win and linux
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now make a Lua plugin API and you're all set
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: using lua when you have nodejs would be just silly
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and make it do the most used functions of the MUSHclient API because I really don't want to rewrite more things :\
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think LuaJIT is still much faster than javascript engines
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I could be wrong. And js is a more complete language.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: we're talking about a mudclient. in this context javascript would have no perfomance issues
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: everything has performance issues
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you underestimate the number of draw actions the mapper makes
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: though in that case it's not actually the lua side that has a problem, but the windows draw side
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i do not... i played with BFS algorithm with my mapper database
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i used lua, golang and also PHP ... lol
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: BFS isn't drawing
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can't a fully cached set of world rooms to draw in a miniwindow in much under .3 seconds
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: N1 looks nice. Only thing it's lacking so far is a message pane.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because drawing a 15 thousand squares one at a time isn't fast enough
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: searching 15000 rooms is actually very fast in my development branch
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because that's all in Lua and doesn't poke through the API boundary
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but every time I have to call a function that goes through the API there's a rather big hit, and I imagine that if Lua were less fast it would also affect things. but maybe not
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if i turn off mapper ui/window. does it still "draw" stuff behind the scenes?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no that would be silly
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so while my ui is off it's pretty much as fast as a no-ui mapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: only the pathfinding itself being executed?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: though realistically the mapper display should always be faster than you can move around Aardwolf because it only pulses 8 times a second
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: but anyways is someone is willing to entertain the electronjs client idea, count me IN!
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sounds like you're willing!
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's someone
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm willing to use it when you get it working if it doesn't suck
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: that wasn't very nice...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Found a way to interface with lua in node. Might entertain this as a more concrete thought when I'm not sleep deprived.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the problem is not really Lua or JS or anything like that
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: node can "interface" with all apis... like c or go as well
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the problem is reproducing the most important bits of the MUSHclient API
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the language is such a small part of the functionality we create
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's just some loops and strings and stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oh of course. that's just a matter of setting up the right APIesque things. The package I found allows you to register functions into the lua environment.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: btw, in case you do not know electron... with one command you would have quick builds for mac, win and linux
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: it is amazing
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: the same N1 mailclient is also build with electron js
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: I know, first time I found electronjs I about lost it.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Wow, I really kind of like N1 mail client.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Just need them to get horizontal reading panes, and we're good to go.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Arc, most people do :)
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: check this: http://pastebin.com/sUQWzyf5 , this electron app will create a gui window with a working menu. and it runs on mac, win, linux
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: hard to beat this!
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so did anyone test the #sub/#gag plugin yet?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: what does it do?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: #sub and #gag for mushclient that works on gmcp channels by inspecting packets before anything else has a chance to
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: works _also_ on gmcp channels
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: basic replacements only via pattern. you can't yet use arbitrary functions for conditional substitutions
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: got a link?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but I'm thinking about how a player would interact with that
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: is there an eventing system (observer pattern) for lua and can it be used in mush... so different plugins could talk to each other?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: these files both go in plugins:   https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/development/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/text_substitution.xml   https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/development/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/aardwolf_colors.lua
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: plugins can talk to each other via CallPlugin and BroadcastPlugin
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i know, but this is not event driven approach
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: BroadcastPlugin is, just one step removed
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: all plugins get all broadcasts, you just register intent for a particular piece of information by checking manually which plugin sent the broadcast and what it sent
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's a bit less efficient, and a bit less automatic, but it does accomplish the same behavior in the end
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you could create a mini framework for streamlining this
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: really all you need is a table of sender:data pairs with a common vocabulary 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: so i could have my own "text ==" events in pluginbroadcast?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: oh, did not know that. how to achieve this? it is not the observer pattern, but very close
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and you could make a table of things like my_events = {[sender1_dataname]=callback_function}
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and then your standard basic OnPluginBroadcast routine could be my_events(text)() or whatever
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (obviously that's not safe because you'd end up doing nil(), so maybe wrap it in pcall)
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like I said, it's one step removed but you can get it really close
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: call it a publish-subscribe messageboard with only one message slot
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (lol)
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's actually not that either
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: eh
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyways it can be done
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so anyway, back to my problem
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: btw talking about gmcp. at some conditions it send out invalid json
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: aardwold does...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: could be a decompression error
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: bad link?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: if room name is in colors, json contains ansi color codes, which is not valid json
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nope
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: run 10s from recall
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the aardwolf mushclient package activates gmcp rawcolors
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: yeah, but still this json is not valid. 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: gmcp rawcolors won't get ansi codes
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: at some point mushclient strips the codes... or perhaps alters them
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i do not know where this happens.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe you have loaded an old bad substitution plugin? room names over gmcp is Welcome to Grandmarket Boulevard!
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: urgh that gets me every time
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: pretend I did color codes instead of colors
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i have no issue with aardclient. the issue is with other clients like tt++ and mudlet
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because they aren't activating gmcp rawcolors
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but uhh
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't see why you'd only have that problem with a room name and not constantly over channels
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: also the comm.channel sends out colored messages. like tells etc. mushclient strips the colors and you get plain text
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not my mushclient. I get colored text
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and i think tt++ did handle them... mudlet didn't. but never the less according to json specs this is invalid format 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Perishing Starphoenix Tech: anyone know of a -reliable- method to recover and restore an MP4 file that was corrupted due to a power outage?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what's invalid format?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: in mushclient the comm log does not get the info from gmcp
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes it does
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: json should be plain text. no ansi colour codes.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: There are no ansi codes.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: http://www.json.org/ , check the value there
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: JSON is reporting what is sent to it via gmcp.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: please... you do not see the raw json with mushclient. check the gmcp with tt++ and you see i am correct
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sigh
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Jedhi: mushclient activates gmcp rawcolor mode during negotiation. it's an option. Aardwolf actually sends @ codes to us
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: at least the aardwolf mushclient does
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: nod, mushclient does. not aardwolf
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Type 'rawcolors' and you'll see what is actually sent through GMCP.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Aardwolf SENDS @ codes
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: rawcolors is an Aardwolf feature, not a MUSHclient feature.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mushclient just activates the feature during connect
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: aardwolf sends out colors as ANSI escape codes
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and this is invalid json
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: No, it doesn't.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Jedhi: which of us writes a client for aardwolf?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish raises his hand.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: even though you're a jedhi, the force is stronger with fiendish
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Jedhi: Let's put it in dumb terms. Rawcolors (a command here on Aardwolf) is activated through negotiations to send the color codes.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Jedhi: type 'protocols gmcp' and you'll see a setting for rawcolor
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to receive atcodes, toggle that setting
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kerno Tech: i'd support jedhi's version  - i tried using jackson java lib to parse aardwolf gmcp and it's like he says - it's invalid characters for json,unless you weed out the escape chars
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: If you really want to refute Fiendish's statements, log into test port, turn on the debug.json and argue there that Aardwolf JSON is invalid.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Kerno: exactly! at some point mushclient strips the colors as gmcp in onpluginbroadcast is plain text only
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: jesus christ
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm literally the only person here who actually knows what he's talking about and you're not listening to me. So I'm just not going to say more on the subject.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: ok fiendish. do you say that you get colored gmcp data in the OnPluginBroadcast ?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so back to my #sub/#gag problem
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I have this plugin that you can do, for instance, #sub {(fiendish)} {%1 (@Rjust some guy)} #alone #nocase
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: argle
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I have this plugin that you can do, for instance, #sub {(fiendish)} {%1 (@Rjust some guy$C)} #alone #nocase
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and it will find fiendish on any line, including comm.channel.msg gmcp packets
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and it will look for only places where it isn't part of another word
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Jedhi: Long before I'd ever trust your information, I'd trust the guy who actually writes the plugins and knows the inner workings of Aardwolf MUSHclient.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and it will replace it with the original captured capitalization and do colorization and then a color reset (using Aardowlf's wacky $C character that should have been @d
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and right now that works really well
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I'd love to see the final version.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but now I want to have it be able to run an arbitrary function where you could, for instance, check your character state before doing the sub
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and actually doing that is trivial
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but how do I do the part where a player has to actually write the function and put it somewhere?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Callplugin supplying function name/plugin id?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: interesting, not bad
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: return values are a pain though...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you're returning just a string anyway
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so that's simple
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: But that would probably be the cleanest, futurest proof!
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the function would return a string that is then used in place of the pattern
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: via gsub
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like, right now, it's just a table of captured pattern -> replacement pattern, and the code finds all the right pieces in all the right places and does string_section:gsub(a,b)
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and this will do string_section:gsub(a, function_prototype)
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now this is badass https://github.com/a1studmuffin/SpaceshipGenerator/
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: Hey Fiendish ... in that N1 client, on the plugins page, I have no sidebar and can only see the top few plugins. Am I missing something?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You can't scroll down the list of plugins? And for the sidebar, you just click on the Person outline.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne sees 14 built-in plugins.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: person outline?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Up in the top right, next to the hamburger you click for settings.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: interesting ... it's blank from teh hamburger all the way over to the inbox on the left
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: reinstall maybe?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Maybe.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: unless you can think of some setting I've missed which would put the person there
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I don't know. I'm new to it myself.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: Okies ... I'll just un/reinstall .. and thanks, Arcidayne! :o)
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne smiles happily.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Anyone know how to make an alias in Tintin not have a wildcard?  I tried adding a dollar sign at the end, but didn't work...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: it seems no matter what I do a single word alias, includes a wildcard...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i think ^somealias$
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: interesting observation I just made because sometimes I sit here and watch gmcpdebug, auction comm.channel gmcp doesn't fill in the player field
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: tries that Jed - didn't work.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: in Estonia if you can't make the payments, you will loose the realestate, bank will sell it and how still have to pay the bank the amount they lost with this transactions. 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: miss
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: how do I get my communication window back? My computer crashed and when I restarted, my communication window is gone.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: anyone used freedome as vpn? what kind of block does it have?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: as bittorrent. I use Bt as main alternative for linux and such distributions so no illegal meanings here. They just say that if they notice any behaviour in that department, they close those ports... is it actually vpn if they monitor it?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Aside from Pidgin, what non-bloatware multi-messenger is your fave?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Windows 10 Messenger is supposed to be "great", but it doesn't even run on my system, which is weird.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: is there a mud command to show the prompt ? or do i have to build it up mself ?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Type p
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: ahh that easy lol 
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: can i toggle "group monitor"'s window off?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Disable the plugin?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i was hoping to do it without having to disable/uninstall it
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rexyl Tech: Putting a switch between the modem and router wouldn't work properly would it?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Depends on what you're trying to do, Rexyl. Most likely, that's not what you want.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rexyl Tech: I'm wanting everything on the same network but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't even work for routing packets for any device hooked up to the switch and not behind the router.  Thought it was worth asking about though.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: does anyone know how to get the communication window back up?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rexyl Tech: Save me from having to run a second long cable or from having to source another router.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: either reinstall or "aard layout reset" or something
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: @drykwyrm
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: resetaard, I think
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oh that heh :p
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: should be "resetlayout" :p
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: resetaard moves the windows around, but doesn't get my communication window back
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Where did it go?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: then try uninstalling and reinstalling it
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: where can i get the search and destroy plugin?
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Finger Nokfah.
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: https://code.google.com/archive/p/aardwolf-scriptalicious/
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: i apologize..but i forgot how to add the Search and Destroy thingy to the client
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: i downloaded it to the plugin thingy
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: but i forgot how to enable it
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: File menu
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: oh..
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ctrl+Shift+P, Add -> File
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Plugins -> add
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Alzar is agreeing with that Arcidayne person again...
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: yup got it.thank you so much
T3/r7/2016-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Meowshin Tech: i must admit, this is my 3rd time to ask that same question
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: WTB trigger that autoquaffs while roomie is playing darksouls so I don't die while I watch said darksouls.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: check tech board.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: WTB automatic nuke for Alzar.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: BentAnImm Dreamfyre coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Dreamy Dreamfyre to the rescue! *beam*
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: 1) You can't actually code a trigger to detect when the roomie is playing dark souls. 2) Twas a joke.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you could tie it to a webcam that watches for your eyes to move away from the screen.  but...you know...don't do that ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: I mean, potentially you could sniff the network for packets that are heading to the darksouls servers, I suppose.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: is there a simple trigger to figure if i'm fighting or not in mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you can check GMCP info - just like aard_health_bars_gmcp.xml does
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: ok
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: this morning my pc screen did not want to show anything aven though the pc was running with no beep codes... i reset the cmos and switched my ram to another slot and it seems to have worked... is this a temporary thing is is it something that can be related to some more obscure but larger fault?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if it happens again it wasn't temporary
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: OK... then on the other hand, what could possibly have caused it?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: did putting ram back into the original slot  cause it to happen again?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: actually you'll want to switch back and forth a few times in case you're accidentally touching something or not seating it correctly or some other difference
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: actually no... i put it in a different slot and the pc wasnt doing anything... so i tried putting it back in the original slot and thats whwen it worked
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: which, i assume, means that slot doesnt work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: which is a tad worrisome
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe your monitor doesn't work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: nah it appears to be fine
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: except that it sometimes doesn't turn on
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: or resetting cmos helped
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: i also thought so till i plugged out the vga cabke
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: vga cable loose?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: it said signal not found once i plugged it out so im certain the screen is OK
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garrot Tech: When you fail to get a screen can you toggle caps lock on and off?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: no actually i cant
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: i tried to turn on the LED backlight for my keyboard and it stayed off
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: as did num and caps
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garrot Tech: Do you have any diagnostic software?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Form Aldehyde Tech: such as?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: is there a way to get my communication window back up?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: my computer crashed yesterday and now it's gone
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: is there a way to get my communication window back up?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hm?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Drykwyrm: did you try reloading the plugin?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: or resetaard if it thinks it's off the screen
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: My computer crashed so hard it shrunk my screen
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish: Ouch.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: no, which plugin is it?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well do you have Aardwolf_Chat_Capture_Miniwindow loaded?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: fiendish did you have a new years resolution
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: no, just the chat echo
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Dolt: what he said
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Drykwyrm: load aard_channels_fiendish.xml
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: my new years resolution was 1920x1080
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I didn't have a new years resolution, just the chat echo
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: after you do, Ctrl+S to save
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because which plugins are loaded is saved in the world file
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: thanks Fiendish, you're the best!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: he really is
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: indeed!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: how would you get mapper to xrt to your clan hall...any way to make it figure out to take the portal on it's own or anything?  it keeps trying to runto and hitting the cmaze lol
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shotgun Tech: i think you can use the 'mapper portal' command
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yeah, it's a portal, but since clan halls are nomap, there is no roomid for it to try and figure out a path to.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Use cexits. For instance, if your hall is linked to your manor, you can do something like: mapper cexit run e2sue -- to get to a portal area.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Anyway, off to work.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i am trying to get gmcp working with a custom client. i will send IAC DO GMCP to the server, but only gmcp debug protocol gets activated. what else do i need?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the dark side
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: jk :p
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and in case i do not send it, then debug is not enabled. so i guess server recieves it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: jedhi: you need to send a GMCP packet subscribing to modules
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: do you know how to do this?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: biker is an alt of abelinc, which in turn is said to be the guy that knows everything
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and so far i can't refute
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, I send Core.Supports.Set [ "Char 1", "Comm 1", "Core 1", "Debug 0", "Debug.packets 0", "Debug.json 0", "Group 1", "Rawcolor 0", "Room 1" ]
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 1 to turn on, 0 to turn off
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "prot gmcp" to see what options exist
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: ok, tnx. i will try to figure this out
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I would send rawcolor 1 instead of 0, but that's just me
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (and yeah, Jedhi's pretty familiar with my know-it-allness ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, you wanna handle them yourself
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mine's a lot less sophisticated than yours ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: color codes are actually a lot easier to deal with than ansi patterns once you start wanting to do things with it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: thought i'd add that abelinc/biker is also the avatar of humility
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can add Magna to that list as well ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nice to know :p
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: speaking of which, until I fill all my slots I should add magna to flist so I can track which char you're on at any moment
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess I can't now though
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: has to be online
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: is there a way to reinstall a plugin using 1 liner?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Negader: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is, but I forget what it is...iirc Fiendish posted a link to it recently
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bast uses it in his stuff, Bast adds a command to reload any plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: my consider all, stops working time to time.  and wanted to just alias the command to restart it.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: i think bast has that in hin pluginhelper
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't even know what board it was on
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the one caveat to the reload plugin command is that you cannot have the command within the plugin you're reloading
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which is one of the reasons Bast has a pluginhelper abstracting that out
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: simple enough to wrap it in DoAfterSpecial
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anything can be done in DoAfterSpecial
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc that doesn't work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: so the pluginhelper is at bast's website?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: bast uses it to install his updatechecker plugin when you didnt add it yourself
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the function is ReloadPlugin
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: DoAfterSpecial runs in the main context, so it doesn't care what plugin ran it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you can have an alias ReloadPlugin ("123abc")
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hold on
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: is there a way to share ONLY the mapper database between two computers? \
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes koopa
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: use dropbox
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: configure dropbox to only sync the db
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note that if you go to the aard website, click the screenshot, click download client, that page tells you which files hold what info
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: ahh snap! thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: n
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oops
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=9615...you suggested doafterspecial, and it was pointed out that it IS within the current plugin's context
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I thought I remembered reading something about that not working at one point
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: doafterspecial is just a timer within the plugin context
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess it's only the solution for everything else
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doafterspecial and simulate ;-)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one day Nick will give up the "simulate is dangerous" fight since it's defacto necessary now
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ok. looks like that was what i was looking for.  thanks guys! :)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you find the note I wrote that abelinc was talking about, you'll get a function that something something plugins
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: i just let my main plugin broadcast my other plugins when they have to iniitalize
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ah. general board 26592
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think I just discovered something very annoying about lua patterns that is going to make me have to replace them with regular expressions and more work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the #SUB?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: \\\print(string.gsub(" hello hello ", " hello ", "hmm"))   <- does not do what I expected
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, that forum link from the general board...I see that it scans the folder and install all of the plugins there...that might not be a good solution in the current environment
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no no
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i see that.  nice.   thanks. 
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: just the reload_plugins function
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it says reload_plugins   -- Reload all plugins, in case you downloaded a new one
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: a new version of an existing one
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: look at the code for the function and it scans the list of installed plugins, not the list of plugins in a folder
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: check_plugins is for scanning the folder
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway back to my new problem
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: \\\print(string.gsub(" hello hello ", " hello ", "hmm")) results in something that is very annoying and probably not technically classifiable as wrong
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but damned if it isn't not what I want it to do
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Biker: got this gmcp thing working
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nice :-)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what else would you want that to do fiendish?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: replace both of them!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: there are two places in " hello hello " that match the pattern " hello "! :\
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the replacements need to be done one at a time. once the first is done, there's nothing else to replace
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe I just need to think of a different way to handle aloneness
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I know, it's just annoying and not technically wrong
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also I'm not actually convinced of the rightness of your statement re: needing to be done one at a time
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you could scan the string for matches first, mark the locations, then do replacements in order, and every time you do a replacement that changes the length you adjust the later locations
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: changes the match, not changes the length
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: http://pastebin.com/XCsJZe3A , "fully" functioning mud client with gmcp support! lol
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I want it to produce hmmhmm counting the middle space twice
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define "support"
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: lol, it supports gmcp, displays data
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: gmcp isn't a real thing
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it supports telnet
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm guessing from looks that it logs all subnegotiations indiscriminately
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway, this is all rather exciting and I hope it gets much more complex
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jedhi laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: can electron do floating subwindows?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what language is it written on?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: nodejs (javascript framework)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: so interpreted language?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: once you get that going, this will be significantly sweeter
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: yes and no
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is it a precompiled exe?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: if i use electron js, then it will have binaries. yes, precompiled exe
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: electron is a framework for producing native-ish executables from javascript
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: cool. asking cuz i had never heard of it. i'm not a programmer though
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: nice. looks like a hybrid between compiled languages and interpreted languages?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: yeah... i just touched it last weak first time
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish is looking for a heir sort of. he's old and he's tired
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: but it's bit more xomplex
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm old and I'm tired
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: you can tell by the way he breathes between sentences
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Principium snickers softly.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: it's a mud thing i guess. i guess 95% of the people who mud today are old and tired lol
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm. that's false though
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: they're old.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: bunch of old farts!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the people who burned neurons making the game what it is today are tired
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rune of Ixultar Tech: back in my day, whippersnappers had more respect!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: the people who played it are just old :p
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: lol guys we are all old coming from the pre internet age
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm newish i guess. my first computer was a 286
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyone over 18 is old to anyone under 14
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and 4 years change technology a lot. now imagine 20
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tufke Tech: well 33 isnt old for a tree
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: last 4 years haven't changed very much
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: aardwolf is a bend in spacetime
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: true fiendish
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so back to my problem, here's how stupid this gsub thing is though...
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: \\\print(string.gsub(" hello hello ", " hello ", " hmm ")) still fails to replace the second one
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because it just doesn't care about me
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but there is only one " hello "
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no there are two!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: they just overlap
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: fiendish. i believe you have found the solution to your problem
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: now it's time to chain gsubs together
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: grumble
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's horrifying
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i agree
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd be looping over every string so many times
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'd expect that to work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah gsub doesn't to it else that'd work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: of course it would work and I refuse to do it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but i think i know why
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i didn't go far into computer science but...
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: if gsub did what you want it to do in this case
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I know why gsub isn't doing it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wouldn't it have to have a higher complexity (by n)?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: not sure if the word is complexity, but execution time. it would have to go over the string again
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: seems it only goes through the string once
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: eh, it would have to backtrack
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: yeah. well maybe you could make a fsub.lua and require it (fiend's gsub)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: wait, you know what...
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I remember I already wrote gsub without gsub a while ago
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: https://github.com/fiendish/funny_little_Lua_things/blob/master/pcre_gsub_without_gsub.lua
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: let's see if this works
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: ahhh, but can you hold both tea and no tea at the same time?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: te ikka kõik merge vastu?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: mis
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I hold no truck with no tea
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: noooooo
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it doesn't work either :(
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ok you might be right. I need to implement something that either loops a bunch or does backtracking 
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: would a chaining of gsubs impact performance negatively?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: obviously
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the question is always how much
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: does gsub tell you if it was succesful? looping wouldnt be too bad in the average case, if you could like - stop when you were definitely done.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I wouldn't do it that way
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: dunno when i was in my second year i'm confident one of the teachers (one of the big guys in the univeristy's research department) said: "first you make something that does what you want it to do, then you worry about performance" :p
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: replacing with something that matches would have poorly constrained behavior
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: too hard to use
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's good advice, but only if you actually go back and fix performance
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hehe true
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: otherwise you end up with a word processor that takes a gig of ram
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: http://xkcd.com/1695/
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: from where aardwolf takes the client name for the clients command. it does not seem to be GMCP Core.Hello
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: it is core.hello
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: case sensitive?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Core.Hello
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Core.Hello has both client and version fields
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Quadrapus goes juppjupp.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: in aardmush client the file aard_GMCP_handler.xml , correct?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but why ask me?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: apparently I don't know how aardwolf and gmcp work
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I do not know how it works. I am uninformed and education in these fields on topics.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Core.Hello { "client": "MUSHclient", "version": "%s" } , but the clients command shows  Mushclient-aard
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard should be using the response for terminal type for the clients command
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the clients command shows a mapping
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you don't think any client actually sends "Unidentified Clients" do you?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish: many clients don't send the field...
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not what I'm getting at
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it takes the value from termtype, THEN it does a lookup on known
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for aardMUSH, it's configure -> appearance -> output
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unidentified don't tell the server what they are...unknown tell the server what they are, but are not listed in Lasher's table
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i tried sending LobisMUSH. all happy thinking my name would show on the list *snif*
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Jedhi is asking why Aardwolf says "Mushclient-aard" when the client doesn't send that. the answer is that it's just a mapping.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lobi: that's exactly why it doesn't work :P
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the client DOES send that, Fiendish...
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although not in that case
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the client does send that just by not sending that, eh?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the value you send to the MUD is MUSHclient-Aard
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: his question is because you guys kept pointing him to GMCP rather than telnet :P
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I still have a spreadsheet of player's IP addresses and client responses from when a debug flag was left on one day...although that response isn't the cleaned-up clients one, it's what the client actually sends
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fiendish at that time was sending "LOL_Hax!!1!one!" :P
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh that's true I remember that
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: man that was a long time ago
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: back when I used zmud probably
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Is zmud still alive?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define alive
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it didn't stop working
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's still used by lots of players
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, more zmud users than cmud users
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lots of players on other muds maybe, a few here
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: last i checked, the zmud/cmud author just gave up and moved on with his life.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: and there was pirated zmuds (and old one being free) so .. that may factor in too..
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zugg was pretty bitter toward the free software movement
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: I can understand why. zmud was the main client for almost a decade
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: I still used GMud during that time.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, he started by ripping off the free software movement :P
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: zmud would have continued to be the main client if he'd bothered to fix bugs in it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note the syntaxes for zmud and tt++...
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I only moved over to mushclient because of color bugs in sub and psub
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: true that fiendish. I had zmud. never bothered with cmud 
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: zmud felt slow and and glitchy too iirc
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so apparently the answer to my problem is to use a frontier pattern. thank me.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: frontier pattern you say? hmm.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: poorly documented
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, gammon's on http://lua-users.org/wiki/FrontierPattern
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yeah http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=6034&reply=3#reply3
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: any tips on optimizing a lua function? I have one that is running really slow, around 7 seconds. 
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: What's it do
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: buy a supercomputer
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: makes several sql calls and returns a table of data
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: is the sql the slow part?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I am trying to figure out which part is slowing it down so I can fix it
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: It's probably the SQL. It's almost always the SQL.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: one or many sql calls?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm, any tips on making that faster? I am using :nrows building a table then iterating over the table
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: it makes 3 I think
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: try to time how long the 3 sql calls take
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: only one is nested but it only returns a single value
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: That doesn't mean much if it's doing a full table scan or something.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: sounds like alot of data?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I used os.time to do that but couldn't pinpoint the slow parts
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: over 3million entries in either of the two .db files it scans
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: That might be the issue
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: well. if nrow is used... something must use it.. have you checked there?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: 7 seconds in nrow.. that's .. well :)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: nrows is being used in a for loop
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: check the result handling. nrows (even if sql) doesnt take that long. it's the loop and how it's used.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: ok... im adding it to my note this time... to reset window position for ww's search and destroy its xset ........
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: can someone help me complete that command?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: It's 'xset reset gui'.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aisling Tech: No problem.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: its in my notepad now
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: ww help for all commands in all plugins you have from winklewinkle
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: so i typed ww help, and i didnt see any gui commands
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: it's in green one
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: oh snap
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: good call
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: ww help lists all commands in all plugins. just scroll upo
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: any idea why my MUSHclient mapper only shows maps for the continents?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as in it doesn't show anything when you're not on a continent, or as opposed to showing the continents differently?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: or maps showing up in different window for full continent?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the latter, try toggling "bigmap on" or "bigmap off"
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Odorless Nuanse nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: It stays on the Continent,  If I haven't left aylor yet its blank.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, type "prot gmcp"
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that command should have "ON" next to Room
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: it does have on
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you tried quitting and relaunching the client?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Biker does his IT Crowd impersonation "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I tried that with my wife, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to turn her back on :/
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: I'm quit and relaunched several times, I'm considering re-installing mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swiftly you jerk open your jacket, trying to get him to notice you.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OK, let's narrow it down. Has it EVER worked? Was it working, and then it stopped?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: a quick question.. have you tried to bring the real mapper front?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note that MUSHclient doesn't acually get installed, it's just a standalone folder that you can put anywhere
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: or put the continent on back?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: it worked for a long time, then just quit.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you remove or disable any plugins?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: I don't think so.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: oh. it's metria AND malkar.. thought I was reading somekind of twisted thing here .. :)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all those "M" names look the same
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: just thought I was reading metria alone :)
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: a quick question, while restarting does do the reload for plugins. 
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: .... I don't follow your question, sorry Nuanse
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: have you tried to reload the mapper plugins while online?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: sorry, two part question and got distracted by biker girls :P
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: in the middle
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: have you tried to reload the plugins while online?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, did kharpern mess with me? :P
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You proudly proclaim your womanhood!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: oh no, I was saying that you have a fanclub!
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: ... all one.. kharpern
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Malkar Tech: I just tried reloading some of them, doesn't have much effect.
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Does anyone mud through an RDP session?
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it wouldn't really be any different than doing it natively, unless you're trying to use a mobile device, in which case IMO doing it that way is too wasteful of real estate...you'll either miss too much stuff offscreen or it'll be so zoomed out that you can't read anything
T3/r7/2016-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: I sometimes MUD remotely through my phone, but only for a quick quest or two.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Genos Tech: I turned on tags roomdescs, but I don't see the {RDESC} when I look in the room. Am I doing something wrong?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: you see them when you move
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: after that you also see them with look
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: I think
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Genos Tech: I don't see it in look
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Genos Tech: or when I move around
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: guys, how do I use in mushclients gmcp requests such as "request room"
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: You don't, specifically. You need to develop plugins to use the information, and you can find that information on Aardwolf's wiki under Client Protocol -> GMCP.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Actually, I take that back - you don't need to develop plugins for it. You do, however, need to CallPlugin.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: so including the gmcphandler and using sendgmcp should work
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what do you want to request room for?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: just making an example, was thinking of triggers on gmcp variables, and sometimes you are not sure if the current status is correct
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you won't be able to do that outside of a plugin anyway, so you may as well do it in a plugin in the OnPluginBroadcast call
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'll give you an example...
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yes, but I am a bit tired of adding the same code to check when for example status change (8, 5, etc) since the broadcast flash everything. Was thinking of triggers on specific gmcp variables you are interested
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: say you make a trigger, a regular plain old trigger, and you say "I want to access gmcp char.status.state!" and then you say "but what if char.status.state is wrong?" so you sendgmcp "request char"....and then what? You can't look at char.status.state right away. You need to wait for the message to come back to you. And the only way to know when that is is to use OnPluginBroadcast
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: I use res, gmcparg = CallPlugin("3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264","gmcpval",s) to get what I need. don't need to wait for a broadcast
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: ullin, i think fiendish is saying is that the gmcp data you are accessing may be stale
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: agreed, that's why I want to refresh it :)
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i dont think you can trigger off the gmcp data unless you build a plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yes. agreed.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: who is on first?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taliyah Tech: when you get the gmcp data, on the same code block where you convert to variables, you can chain it to trigger stuff
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: wu?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yah, I think I got what I should be doing
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: thanks :)
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morgase Tech: how do i set a universal trigger for all questors
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: did something change in gmcp? I no longer am getting OnPluginBroadcast updates
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm, my one plugin keeps failing to retrieve data
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: does the mapper and other GMCP stuff work?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: it does which is what is confusing me
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I can't imagine this would be it, but type "prot gmcp" and verify that the category that you're looking to retrieve is ON
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I threw a print statement outside of checking for anything and it does nothing
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it should still have a check for what kind of broadcast it is, I'd check there, or maybe turn on GMCP debugging by typing "gmcpdebug 1" (2 would give more detail, and 0 to turn back off)
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: how would you guys edit a db file?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I actually use the sqlite browser extension for firefox
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: is that to my question like 200 hours ago?  ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry it took so long
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm like ultra busy and on very bad internet
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and like a thousand people are throwing questions at me
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which is great! but it does mean I'm slow to answer them
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: it's fine, I just wanted to make sure it was to me lol
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I use SQLiteBrowser
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: It is just a little light weight program
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: thanks guys, you're the best.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: How do I query the mapper database? For some reason it seems like it's not saving a path
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what type of query do you want to make?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper database doesn't really save paths, it saves exits/adjacencies...
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it constructs paths on demand
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Yeah, but I can query the path I take to this room to find out where the link is broken/if it's really not saving
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: there might be a cexit on the way that needs to be defined
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use "mapper where xxx" to see what steps the mapper would take to reach room xxx
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: where are you trying to go?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Soldiers' Tents in Call of Heroes
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: ya, that's a cexit
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: All the 3 beginning cexits are mapped, friend, foe, fun.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: you need one to get into the area, i believe
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: normally, rt takes care of it. but mapper doesn't
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: true, knock door cexit to get to the area at all
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you stand in the main chick's room, what does "mapper where 33076" say?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: say fun
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: say fun;run 4ese
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ok, then it's good from that room to soldiers' tents
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so it wasn't reaching that room...gorsk's comment is probably the sticking point
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Alzar nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Alzar thanks Gorsk heartily.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Alzar thanks you heartily. 
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gorsk smiles happily.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "speedwalk call", manually run to just before knock
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then make the cexit
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: does aardwolf support MXP login? (mushclient autoconnect/reconnect)
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mxp isn't needed for anything related to connecting
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: aardwolf uses Diku style login
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: what does HDTC mean in a movie up for download?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: high-def tele-cine
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: TC = telecine i assume?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's them saying how it became a computer file
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as opposed to a cam
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: How many people use VPNs?
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: about 36%
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: in general, not to aard
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I occasionally use one for work.
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: same
T3/r7/2016-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: seems to be a fair amount of discussion now for using them as a privacy option
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: http://baconipsum.com/
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: you are welcome.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Alzar enthusiastically high-fives Mannec!
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: I have a process in my tasklist, but everytime I try to kill it I get an error: There is no running instance of the task
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Any ideas?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: I've tried with the pid, and the image name
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: os?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Windows
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: I'm pretty sure you don't tasklist in linux, unless I'm mistaken. :P Windows 7.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: it has a thing pretty similar.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: are you trying to kill it via the command-line? normally in windows i would expect some clicking on a window...
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Yes, I am.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: try clicking in task manager instead.  that should avoid any possible syntax errors.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: It's not a syntax issue and it wont close via TM.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: different error via tm?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: No error via TM. Just nothing happens.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: huh.  you should be receiving some kind of error message.  insufficient privilege, not killable, something.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: sounds like some kind of malware.  i would format, upgrade to xp, and call it done.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Well a reboot fixed the issue.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Happened after I upgraded skype. probably the upgrade that caused it.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: when i try to go to a room in aylor it runs me to touchstone and i get an sw fail cause its not the right sw... how do i fix/reset that?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Hmm. Have to keep UAC enabled in order to use Windows 10 Store Apps. I hate UAC.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: have to keep uac on spellup
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: have to keep uac on domain machines as well for nonadmins to get admin prompts
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Heh.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: So distracting to have to approve everything. "Did you mean to run this?" -- Yes, I did. I clicked it, and I wanted to run it.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: just keep it on the first level and not the fourth lol
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: "Not recommended. Only use this if it takes a long time to dim your desktop." -- WTF? Haha.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: That's the first level UAC, where it doesn't notify you when you make changes.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Is the Windows license key stored somewhere in the registry? I can't boot to Windows...
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miasmal Myel Tech: anyone know if there's a way to not make lines added to the input bar in mudlet be highlighted when I press the up key to recall a previously sent command?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: sorry no, do you have a working mapper in mudlet? including hand-held portals?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: didn't that get sorted out on the mudlet forum?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm pretty sure there's a thread about how to add support for handheld portals
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: is there any way to see room flags like noportal or norecall without actually trying to portal or recall?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nokfah Tech: mapper thisroom
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: mapper thisroom
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: the skill recon will show you flags if you dont already have them added to the map
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miasmal Myel Tech: I assume since you're asking on tech, that's the answer you're looking for, but there is also recon
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: correct me if I'm wrong, but that only sees flags you have enabled for that room, currect?  thank you talli, that's what I was looking for.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tallimos Tech: np
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: anyone here use Kodi?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: any EE/CE or computer hardware folks here?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: depending on what you need, yes.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: if you need straight EE stuff, then not me lol
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: actually I can handle most of the EE stuff, I am just trying to check that nothing has changed since the last time I dealt with this issue
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: my issue is my inverter for my laptop failed and I can't get a new one that actually meets my specs until Thursday because I am in the middle of podunk nowhere
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: but I can get a universal adapter with the right voltage, but its an amp short
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: about 20 watts short of the rated demand on the laptop
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: my understanding is that it shouldn't be a problem as long as I don't try to draw full power out of the thing
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: as long as the volts are the same, you should be okay, it may not charge well during heavy use, but eh
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: that's what I learned in class back in the day, but I didn't know if there was something with modern laptops that made this no longer true
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: the only thing I could find on techie forums was to use the lower amp charger to charge the battery with the computer in sleep mode and then unplug and use the laptop without it in so that it never tries to draw too much
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: nah, volts are still the scary one for equipment, amps the easier.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: but it seemed to be concerned primarily with overheating the brick not damaging the computer
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: not bad advice, but yeah, it wouldn't hurt the laptop, but it could fry the brick lol
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: thanks just wanted to confirm my understanding
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: gonna go buy the stupid thing, if I fry the brick it doesn't matter as I will be getting a new one that's actually the correct specs in 2 days anyway
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emm Tech: and its only 22 bucks anyway
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: sheesh, I wanted the starting to write a note gone.. and you gave me same answer :P
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: learn you some context
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: I figured it  out.. aliased .  to You stupif F***, listen Fiendish!
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: starting to write a note message is unique. punctuation isn't.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: how many commands start with .?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: or !?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like a dozen commands start with .
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: so use ^
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: not in game. change client if it bothers you :P
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Odorless Nuanse snickers softly.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: like a dozen in game commands start with .
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in a bunch of different contexts
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mostly in editors
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: I agree with you though. Punctuations should be removed and maybe give way to use them if wanted (channel options system) use . or gos as way for gossip. and etc
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the game needs fewer smart options not more
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: what we need is smart quiet system where none of the channels come through in any way
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: we have that. type quit
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: not that smart
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: you dont have to use any punctuations either. just type .quit and listen all the spam you get :)
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Piffaron covers his ears and says, LALALALALA
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Odorless Nuanse pats Piffaron on his head.
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: no!  do not do this to my precious tech channel, this is a gossip conversation rofl
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Odorless Nuanse Tech: anyone familiar on freedome?
T3/r7/2016-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: Windows printer drivers - I'm in Printer Properties, Advanced tab, Driver dropdown menu. how do I get/find the file for the driver selected?
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: windows is evil
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: I agree. but I need this stupid driver.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Does OnPluginBroadcast for listening to plugins only work from another plugin?drink
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: Oops, had that sitting there while I googled it. Answer found.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: was the answer yes
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vost peers intently at Zetkax.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: yeah, it was as far as I could tell.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon peers around herself intently.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Need some help optimizing a SQL query... in the interests of avoiding spam, could helpful parties send tells, please?
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: quick question for the Mudlet Aardwolf GUI on OS X - there appears to be a panel for a graphical mapper but just says "No map or no valid position". I have the mini map, which is great, but is there a trick to flicking on the Mudlet Mapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: According to the output of the 'clients' command, you're 1 of 2 people using that client. I doubt you'll have much luck getting the question answered and you should probably seriously consider running MushClient instead of Mudlet.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: thats important news! Thanks Ixle. Is there a recommended source for reliable MushClient without running Parallels? I just found Wine, looks promising...
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I don't understand your question about Parallels
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: But in general you can get reliable assistance with anything MushClient related on this channel or on the tech forum.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: sorry Im on OS X and the only MUSH Clients I found at first weren't available. I could run Parallels or VMware or something emulate windows but I didnt want to go that route
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Oh, yes, you'll want to run the custom version of MushClient called "Aardmush" under Wine for the best experience on a mac.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renoir Tech: MUSHclient runs seamlessly under Wine, it's what I'm doing to run it from Linux.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: BOOYAH! Thanks Ixle
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: thanks Renoir
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Mac-and-Linux
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: extra booyah points to you my man! finally a github link!
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That's where the entire AardMush package lives. Tons of useful information in that wiki.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: I should have thought to search the git space. Thanks again!
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: man good call on Wine and the aardmush guys. Thanks again. Its a little glitchy right now but I'm sure theres a way to fix that
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, the guy that develops the aard MUSHclient package uses it under wine 100% of the time...he recently set up a Windows VM for the first time in a few years while trying to track down a glitch which Windows users were seeing but he couldn't recreate under his MacOSX or Linux environments
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: thats Fiendish?
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazrus Tech: Aardwolf just gets better and better
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Indeed. Wait till you start finding out about all the pimp plugins created for Mushclient :P
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: how many crashes have you had with w10 by now?
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: about 50ish here
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: 3 today.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Angel Castiel Tech: None :P
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: i have an ancient soundcard that causes them. worked flawlessly in w7.
T3/r7/2016-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: its a nice one. so. hell with w10... soon
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Anyone try out Fedora 24 yet?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Oh, I have it up in a virtual box right now, it looks nice
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Sonet: are you coming from F23?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how do i make it so no two rows can have the same combination of field1 + field2? (sqlite)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: sqlitestudio btw.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: put a uniqueness constraint on the pair
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: how do i do that?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: do you know how to put a uniqueness constraint on one column?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you do it the same way but you put both columns
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: here CREATE TABLE name (column defs, UNIQUE (col_name1, col_name2) ...
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry, here CREATE TABLE a (i INT, j INT, UNIQUE(i, j) ...
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: hm yeah. my problem is making sqlitestudio do it. :/ i can't seem to select two columns and then creating the constraint to them
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2701877/sqlite-table-constraint-unique-on-multiple-columns
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i know that's how i'm supposed to do it through the syntax.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think I just found another bug in mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now to work around it
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Oh? What bug is that?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/forum/?id=13687&page=999
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Possibly need to EnableTimer? Shouldn't, I figure, but maybe that's it?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: timer_flag.Enabled
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Oh, missed that.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also it prints twice
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which means the timer is running. it just doesn't run again
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it runs only once
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Yeah, did the same on my end.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: test workaround...call it test_timer_$times_fired (not sure how you tell it that)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it may be that the one-shot flag doesn't exactly say "delete after firing", but instead says "after firing, delete timer named XXX", in which case it's deleting the new one
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: plausible, but it should do that before the function call not after
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's a reasonable workaround though
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I was going to make a permanent timer and toggle it on/off. your suggestion is less work
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Biker is lazy
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yup works
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ok thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh man. now to stop this damned timer.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Haha.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can't just call DeleteTimer. it's a freaking moving target now.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do timers have groups?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I suppose I should have put in a kill switch
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh well. I'll just quit
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You cannot contain your hatred of The Jerk Fiendish. RAGEQUIT.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: exiting mushclient fixed it
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I have a trigger to "on disconnect reconnect" in tinyfugue...if I don't turn that off before reconnecting a new instance, they'll have a little race war bouncing each other off
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the reconnect also texts my phone that aard disconnected, so my phone blows up when that happens
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: What do you use for texting your phone, anyway?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: he hires it out overseas
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if this then that
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ha.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: he actually has if this then that detect disconnects and send an sms with twilio which then fires another if this then that to reconnect
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: imagine the fun af amazon turking to watch when there is a disconnect, then fire off a text
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I just email ###@vtext.com, although my company does have a true texting product with API
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: til biker works for twilio
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, I have an ifttt account, but I've never used it
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: That's the weirdest phone number I've ever seen... ###... I'mma try calling it now.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (heh, and that's why it's what I put :P)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne snickers softly.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ya'll can reach me at 607-722-5321.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I text myself on disconnect, when reboots are announced, and when raidparties are formed
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what number is this?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: /sys mail -s "Reboot" 2155551212@vtext.com < reboot.txt
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: looks like the fbi
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: 555 1212 is a really good number
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, rapper tweeted a contest to call him and gave out compton PD's number
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: police chief tweeted him back "knock that sh off"
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ha!
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: turns out I can't use the suggestion after all. it breaks timer_flag.Replace
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: looks like I'll need to make a permanent timer and toggle it on/off
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Can't do if IsTimer("mytimer") then DeleteTimer("mytimer") end ?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: wut
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Then you won't need the Replace.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: same problem, really
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: When you call the test_timer() function, the first line could be: if IsTimer("mytimer") then DeleteTimer("mytimer") end, then proceed as usual.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Remove the "Replace" flag, since it won't be replacing anything.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh I see. hm. maybe
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ah, yeah, stopped at 2.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the problem isn't the replace. the problem is the oneshot
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: And you're right, Abe's version would break Replace, since it's mytimer_1, mytimer_2, etc.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I have an idea
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: But would that even matter, considering the timer is removed after the oneshot anyway?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ehhhh
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Seems to work for me, anyway.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: http://pastebin.com/jj7925Qs -- that's the code I'm using.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably not
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: No additional timers added, just an incremental value.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Only thing I can imagine causing problems, though, is if the times_fired gets too big for MUSH to handle, which, firing every .1 second, probably will happen.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Also, quicker way to disable the test_timer, instead of exiting out MUSH: \\\test_timer = nil
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Unless you had it in a plugin.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not necessary
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess I'll use this for now and see if I notice anything
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: meh
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so using abelinc's workaround does cause one extra function call. but it only takes an additional .001 seconds so I guess it's ok
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (because at that point there's no work left to do)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: there is another hideous problem though
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Uh oh.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hotspots are incredibly slow to create
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I wonder why
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: making hotspots takes a bit longer than drawing the same number of brush textured rectangles if the mouse is not in the miniwindow at the time
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if the mouse is in the miniwindow at the time, though, it takes 30x longer
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which turns a .12s draw into a 3.4s draw
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: only one of which is acceptable
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Possibly attempting to compensate for the location of the mouse pointer, having to check each coordinate if the mouse is there or not? Shouldn't really be that way, but I don't know how the repaint works.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think it might be because of this http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11197
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Ah... 
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now I have to look at the hotspot code 
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now way I'm rolling back to 4.75 to test 
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: someone told me to check out mush but its not loading on my computer--any suggestions would be appreciated
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: where did you get it from?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: the aardwold site like I was told to
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: and you let it update?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: I can't even get pass the un zip  phase
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, what are you seeing?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: maybe its becaue of the type of computer I have --- I have one of tose convertable one.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: is it a Windows computer?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: ...soft top or hard?  I'm joking.  If you are running full windows you should be fine, if you are running RT, yeah, might not work.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: yest--but I can take the screen off off for I pod
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: full windows
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: no its a soft windows so I can hit Mudders with it LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: have you installed programs from compressed files in the past?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: can you normally open up zip files?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: actually I don't think I have--I use zmud right now
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what if you installed win rar.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you can google it
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: are you able to extract the .zip file to a directory?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: when I click it something flashes and pop jsut the files there
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: should I download rar??
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: if you click on the mushclient zip, and you see the files, then you are fine with zip programs.  can you put the files on your desktop?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: i vote for 7zip
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jakke Tech: you can right click on the file and extract it
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: it won't give me that choice
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: okay, so you open the mushclient zip, what does it say from the top of the window down, just write it all out.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: fonts licences locale logs lua mime names scripts socket sounds spell worlds Aardmush aardwolfPac Dina  ===  Do you want me to continue  
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: that's not the top of the window.  that's the middle where the zip contents are.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: thats all I have
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: I can't get any further than that
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: so you see nothing at the very top that says file home share view extract, and under that, if extract is selected, extract all?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: do you have any nieces or nephews under the age of 10 that can come help out? ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: No but I will ask my Nerd Baby who is 44 LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: thank you for the help---Srry today not my day---guess I stay with zmud
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: don't apologize, it's fine...you can drag and drop all of those files into a new folder somewhere, but I tihnk waiting for your "nerb baby" may be a good idea ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: if only that was a d.  oh well.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: ----LOL its ok not my day either.but I am actually still happy with zmud--but I guess MUSH is supposed to be so much better 
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: it's different, what's better about it is fiendish, and how many people code plugins for mush for aard.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: you mean triggers and alias
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jakke Tech: I really need to install it but don't want to mess with wine
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: and no I have not re-figured out how to to scripts and Triggers with zmud again LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: my nerd  baby says she will take a look at it for me tomorrow thank you all for you help
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: my nerd  baby says she will take a look at it for me tomorrow thank you all for you help
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: all
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jakke Tech: your
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Hmm. apparently -h turned into all.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: anyone know why when i use ww s&d i get the following error when i do an xrt (area):  Alias function "xrun_to" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: the previous error is coming... hold plz
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: summarizing.... Run-Time error.  xrun_to called by alias
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The database schema changed. Are you using the fixed version of xrt from Nokfah? (Or whatever his name is)
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: no such column: r.date_added
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: that would make sense
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: i doubt it, i got it from the ww page
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: use 'finger nokfah' and follow his web address
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: word! thanks all
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: awesome that worked, thanks everyone!
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Krung Tech: hello, my 'friend' has a work mac with a work email, she has bought a personal mac and wants to delete the comapny emails on the personal mac after bringing over most of the files from the work computer, she doesn't want work to know this is happening, any tips?
T3/r7/2016-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shelkin Tech: Anyone else get sent a DTA box now that Comcast owns TimeWarner?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i'm trying to create an interactive database with questions (with either 5 answer alternatives or true/false assertives). i want the application to allow me to insert new questions (and answers), edit existing questions and create tests/exams. is php a good choice?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i kind of want to use sqlite (not sql) though, my hosting plan supports everything however
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: yes, php is extremly developer firendly
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: with a huge community
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i was going to make a local C# executable but i figured i should make it an online thing so my brother (who's also studying) could benefit from
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: any remarks on the sqlite/mysql choice?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: MySQL is really the only way to go
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: most apps prefer mysql, but sqlite is on for smallscaled apps
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: Fantastic choice for both stability and ease of support
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: php + mysql i guess then?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: sqlite is stable as well. no issues there
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kafur Tech: i would use sqlite, unless you have hundreds of people writing to your database mysql is overkill
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: that's the point. me (and *maybe* my brother) are the only ones who's going to use it (write/read etc)
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: and the writing will only last until we finish adding all of the questions (they're maybe 1000-3000 no more)
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: then it's only reading + solving questions
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: Lobisomem: have you use PHP before? if you already know the basics, check out some framework. like Laravel
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: i've played with many languages. php was one of them
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but playing = writing a hello world mostly lol
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: ok, then perhaps frameworks are for you. at least not in a while
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and in case you need any help ping. i am pretty sure i can answer to lot of PHP related questions. 
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: maybe you could just use wordpress? pick a suitable theme, create a specific type of mail for your question format, and off you go
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: that's is bad advice. really bad. sorry Ullin
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neclord Tech: Wordpress is the devil
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: aardwolf.vbmeireles.com is a wordpress installation
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: sowwy
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: but i didn't think it was going to be "easy" to insert a custom php of mine with the same layout etc in it
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: is laravel the most friendly of its "family"?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: there's hairy people everywhere
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: ops mischan
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: well it is currently most popular and with very nice community. check out laracasts.com, they have some free screencasts + payed ones and complete free user dicussion forum. and it is extremly active. simple questions get answered if not in seconds, then in minutes for sure
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: just do not go to phpfreaks , it is full of "oldschool" coder and that is not good
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: oldschool has its downsides yeah
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: "oldschool" is usually good only for the oldschool people heh
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and stay away from wordpress. each time when wordpress get installed, 10 kittens die. if you need a cms, use pyrocms, octobercms etc
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: Kittens dyin !! damn that !
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: wow! 10 kittens die? omg. i only have 2 installations. i'm going to make 50 more wordpress sites...
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: jk :) i'll try to go custom (i want to learn a bit of coding too). if it doesn't work i'll try laravel
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: id hoomans die  is OK 
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: for a beginner native PHP is a way to go for sure. you need to get the basics first
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: the next step would be to use composer, like some ORM and template package. and after that some full frameworks
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and after 10 years you can say that you know many things about PHP :P
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem :)
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lobisomem :)q r
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lobisomem Tech: mis :p
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: so a client calls in...this is what he says: 'Yahoo has disappeared - all history is gone'
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I guess we should alert the FBI?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jakke Tech: heh
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it's about time
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: Party time
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: my boss goes "If only they took aol with them"
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: ugh.. everytime I try to highlight and copy anything MUSH frezzes and stops responding and I have to force quit.  Annoying.  :(
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: What is using all your memory? Firefox? Anti-virus scan?
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: mcafee is horrible. Assumes that the only function of a PC is to run antivirus scans on it
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirCanada Tech: go to youtube, type in uninstall mcafee. enough said :)
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I am a 10-year customer of McAfee. Never had a problem.
T3/r7/2016-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: it beats the hell out of Norton.
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: just curious, is it against the rules for people to share their mapper dbs?
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: no
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: i didnt think so, but i find it odd that in all of my aard reading and googling, that i dont come across one
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's frowned upon
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: of course!
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: id honestly think things like S&D are frowned upon too, but everyone has it
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and there's plenty of incentive to not give other people what you can perceive as an advantage
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: ya
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but there's also the fact that things like portals don't transfer well
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KoopaTroopa Tech: thats true.  i was only asking because someone on gossip had mentioned that they typically didnt even konw what area they were cp'ing in...  thats kinda sad
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: they will be cping slowly. plugin only takes you so far, especially in higher level areas.
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: KoopaTroopa nods.
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantik Tech: Does Aardwolf allow a SSH connection? I don't care for telnet, especially using it on public wifi.
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: get over it, it is a game
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: lol
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jakke Tech: don't save your bank passwords in mud notes
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: or ssh into home server/use vpn
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: i think I quoted that verbatim from 2009
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: Where are aliases saved?
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: alias church
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: You're helpful. :P
T3/r7/2016-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snowangel Tzadkiel Tech: sorry couldn't resist:P
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard doesn't allow SSH connections, but also realize that ssh/vpn home won't make your passwords to aard more secure, it'll just change the entry point...from your home to Aard's servers will still be cleartext...don't use important passwords on anything aard-related (iwuvaard actually stores user passwords in cleartext in a field that anyone can read in the database)
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and non-plugin aliases are stored in your world file
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you go to aard's main website, click the screenshot, click download client, the page that takes you to explains which files contain what information to transfer to an updated client
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Abelinc are you just putting out an fyi? Or is this a questions from before my tech -h can list?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's questions in "-h 15", so dunno what your -h lists :P
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: not the ssh part, the updating mush part
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that was in -h 5
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: my client crash the other day now i get "Got a bad item, rerequesting inventory data for Inventory" every time i type inv
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the question was "where are aliases saved"...the short answer was my "your world file", and then I gave the better answer of "where is any xxx thing saved" with the description of the website page
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sounds like bast's eqdb needs a refresh
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: tried that...
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StormGiant Tech: just reinstall xeqdb, and refresh
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: still no good.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: is there a way to find out what state file is linked to it?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's nto a state file
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: eqdb stores its information in a sqlite database file, stored in your logs directory
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok rebooting, brb
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok, purgeq the eq file , reinstalled, and refreshed (including a restart of the client) still no change, 
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then it's probably not related to the crash, but related to a funky item you have
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: when i uninstall eqdb i can see my inventory
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, the item would show there...there are 2 places where eqdb gives that message...one is when checking items from eqdata, and one is when checking items from invdata...there's a checkvaliditem function, which checks for serial, level, type, name and cname
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: any more ideas on resolution?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd look closely at items in your inventory or bags for something weird
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i will just know it when i see it?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you'll have to pay attention, it'll probably be missing a piece of info, or it'll have a really weird character where a piece of info will go
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the things which are validated by the code that prints "bad item" are serial, level, type, name and cname
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok, with nothing in my inventory i get the same error
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have no bags? the plugin read the contents of bags
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i dropped them all
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and nothing equipped?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: still had gear on
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Biker points to Tormat and orders him to strip!
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: though i can type eq  and see my gear
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: seeing the gear isn't a test
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok, nothing on, nothing in inventory (detects up) same error... Got a bad item, rerequesting inventory data for Inventory
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you said that you purged the database?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yes, and deleted the file.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (for future reference: move files, don't delete them)
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: with my client crash i had a few croupted files...
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: on day 3 trying to fix it...
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: this is the last piece.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I can't see anything in the state file which could cause it (as the real data is in the database), but the state file is the one whose second half of the name starts with aaa and ends with abc
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd try downloading a fresh bast folder
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i have a second copy of bast i replaced files from that.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok uninstalled eqdb, pulled stat files and dp, going to restart client and then reinstall
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ok, replaced the bast folder, still same issues
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: anyone have experience developing firefox webextensions? i'm trying to write a file to disk from the extension, but having some trouble.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varrion Tech: does anyone still manage the android app?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: which one?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varrion Tech: the android mud client
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: blowtorch?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varrion Tech: yes i believe the modified blowtorch one. the latest android doesnt allow me to use it
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: google is evil...
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varrion Tech: very evil i love the app , i prefer it over my computer.. but cant 
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm, stuck on a regex problem. It keeps popping up a window saying reached matching limit and failing. I have that trigger doing things with the wildcards, namely printing, nothing is printing though
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: what's the regex? what are you tryong to match?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: ^(.+){30,30}(\s)+([0-9]+)(\s)+([0-9]+)(\s)+(.+){25,25}$ I am trying to match the output of lastkill 1
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Not an Imm Erikson boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: mushclient right?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: what do you want to get from lastkill?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: the name?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: A small coral fragment             33  131  The Maelstrom  
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I want the name, level, and room
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: err area, I think that is area not room
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: ok you want the whole line xD
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: pretty much
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: wait a moment let me test
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: First off, {30,30} is an excessive spelling of {30}.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Second, (.+){30} is a _really_ odd construct, and liable to cause a crapload of backtracking.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that name part will only put 30 characters of the mob name at any time
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: there are 31 chars thought
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: nevermind taking the {30,30} and {25, 25} out gets the correct info
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elemmiire Tech: Is there a way to make the AW client not put commands in the output window yet repeat the command when pressing the up arrow or ctrl+r?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: mushclient?
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elemmiire Tech: Yes.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: Alt + 0 check auto repeat command
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: same windows uncheck first option on the center it reads : echo my input in...
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elemmiire Tech: Thank you. Yeah, I saw that option and unchecked it--the one about echoing my imput commands.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: that was the command that drove me batty on mush  so i decided to wait
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elemmiire Tech: Thank you, again.
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: yes thank you I can not try it again LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: haha not problem :)
T3/r7/2016-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: your guy's talk helped out LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: any reason all my colors would turn green
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you are using an old mac
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: Gnome settings
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you had a stroke, and only see the color green.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: nop brand new computer...was ok untile about 30 mins ago and than blam everything green
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oak Tender Arnica Tech: FYI, that will get you through ER admitting instantly
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: is it only in whatever client you are using to mud?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: could you by chance have been cursed by a leprechaun?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: i think his whole computer is green XD
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: is it a laptop? or desktop?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: oh no! you've been leprecursed!
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: brand new laptop
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: mac or pc?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: try closing it and opening again, could be a problem with the flex
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: hp pc---was playing on here for several hours and then everything turned green on here....just on game...turned off and even reloaded zmud
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: ewww.. zmud... :(
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: ohh is it on game only?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: I was working with mush--had it and the short cut for it disappeared too LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: not your whole pc?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: just this game 
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: is yellow but rest is green
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: your scheme pulldown menu
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: don't ask me where, since I won't use zmud since those greedy f....iends wouldn't help me locate my key from a decade ago
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: and on my old computer color is ok weird
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: strange is only green on here 
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: with mush its say that luna is missing 
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: is tech guy gone
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: what's up?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blackshield Tech: did you try typing color to see if your ansi is actually on?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: ok zmud fixed...now on to mush---norton doesn't like luna file???
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GutterMind Morgase Tech: how do i check how many megs my line is?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: StardustSam  excuse me but the xterm colors dont work for me and i am playing on MUSHCLIENT-[Aardwolf] what is happening?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: StardustSam  accuali most do but some dont
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: StardustSam  like 138 or 202
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: some colors are modified by Aardwolf to be more visible if they are very dark
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one sec I'll give you specifics
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: 232-237 get moved up to 238
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: 17 and 18 get moved up to 19
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm not aware of any problem with 202 though
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what does 202 show as for you?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: StardustSam  aaaaaaaaahhh now its working it just didnt work for one channel
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm, anyone know what database id not found error is for inserting into a sqlite3 table? I seem to get it about 20% of the time
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asperger's Cheezburger Tech: it means the connection information points to a non-running instance, or incorrect location. In most cases.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asperger's Cheezburger Tech: Or the table name is wrong, or a foreign key relationship is wrong (although that should have a specific error)
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: thats strange, it works most of the time but occasionally, roughly 20% of the time, it gives me that error for what should be the correct table
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asperger's Cheezburger Tech: Locally running instance, or networked?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: its local, embedded in a plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Asperger's Cheezburger goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: could it fire that when its busy already?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: I thought there would have been a specific error for if it was busy
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asperger's Cheezburger Tech: Potentially. If the table's locked it wouldn't connect, but it should indicate that it's due to a lock, not due to "cannot find"
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asperger's Cheezburger Tech: It's either malformatting it, or something that room_id doesn't refer to an actual room (which I'm assuming you have a table for?)
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asperger's Cheezburger Tech: mis
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rilor Tech: how do i increase the font for the main screen not the communications log?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: we can have a shop on our porch
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: Game>Configure>Output.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rilor Tech: ok i'll try that
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: so how much about for a healer store on porch
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: why? you can have a healer in your manor.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: why is this on tech and not q/a?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: oh ---like make my dog or cat a healer LOL
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: cause I joined in the conversation cause I was interested LOl
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: I got the two lines confused I apologized
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: is there any fully explored map for mushclient mapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I'm sure there are lots.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: i can't find any (*0*)
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: have fun making your own ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: there is no need to reinvent the nanoship when someone else have invented one >.>
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: a well-made map is a competitive edge. not many people would be willing to share
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: does mccp use zip or gzip?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: there is a zip.exe on the aard client folder
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: that is for compressing mapper db backups
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: mccp uses zlib streaming. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1950.txt
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: just read that mccp is an compression protocol in itself based on that library (new knowledge :O)
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: I understand that maze rooms reload with exit directions assigned to different destinations.  But with the destinations always be the same  for the maze room even though the directions change?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faraj Tech: that's why it is a maze, if it were different then you could not get confused and lost
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: Thanks, Faraj.  But I'm not following.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: from what I've seen, room vnums will keep the same exits, just the desitinations change.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: the rooms its connected to always stay the same. the direction you take to get to those rooms will change.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: raded said it better.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: Thanks Lucron.  Funny.  I'm experimenting down in Sirens Oasis.  Seemed like the destinations changed for some of the random exits.  But I might have screwed up when I mapped it the first time.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: Thanks Raded.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: I guess I meant to say that the destinations seemed to change for a maze room. I expected the exits to those destinations to change for the room.  But, like I said, I probably screwed up when I recorded the destinations first time around.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: what's the command to list the id#s of eq you're wearing?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: id <wear slot> or id <name> worn
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or you may be thinking of 'eqdata'
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bishoujo Raded Tech: or eqdata ansi for the pretty one
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: whoa
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i think that maybe it.  but.. i don't get anything out.  it used to work. 
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: never knew about that command
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: thanks 
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Because sometimes, people get bored and gradients text!
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: umMMmMmm
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Well, they write a script to gradient any text. :D
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: And it's randomized, too.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Can't take credit for the bulk of the code, though. :(
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: But it makes for some pretty channel stuff occasionally.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Sometimes it looks terrible too!!
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Yours isn't gradient! *blink*
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: didn't want to be the one to break the news.. :-X
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Mine just starts randomly then increments up until you are done typing!
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne smirks.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: Is there a script out there to take someone's colored text and uncolor it?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: in this movie called Waterworld, this guy drinks his own pee.. after it's purified
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Yes, it's called 'ansi'
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: Sorry, I should've said color it back the way it's supposed to be?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: No.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: Pretty sure ANSI wouldn't work on Sonet's.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: That's a shame.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Sure it would, if you did it before.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: aww guys you wound me ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: It's not you, Sonet, it's me.
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: ok I'm trying to play with mush again---wont let me load due to lua5.1 missing
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: i have brand new computer--with windows 10...and norton anti-virus
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: lua5.1 should have come with mush, is it the newest package?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Also, norton might have eaten it. i know I could never use Norton due to it considering to many things I use as problematic and deleting them
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: i had the basic loaded just before i went for an appt and now I'm staring all ove again
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: goto the aardwolf wiki and follow the directions for a clean install
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: ok will try
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: wha is that under
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: its pretty much just download, unzip, run
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: I tried and all i get is lun5.1 missing
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: hmm guessing its norton, does a popup happen when you dl or unzip it?
T3/r7/2016-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grannie Killene Tech: ok testing mush lol
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: I'm looking for someone with lua experence to write a plugin for me.I will pay :) Pst
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mention what you want written and you may get people doing it for the fun of it (or there may be something "close enough" available already)
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: once i send IAC WILL MCCP to the mud, how will i know when the compression starts? trying to figure this out with nodejs. 
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: got it, i can do mccp :P
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: for whomever wrote the message that comes up about what I think had to do with a mushclient upgrade - the notice was partly underneath my mini-windows, and so could not be read in it's entirety. I could neither move it to read it, nor could I select it to get rid of it. I had to restart mushclient again to get past it.
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An Ancient Moofie Tech: thought it should be mentioned
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rexyl Tech: Anyone set up a phpBB board recently and had to deal with phpBB not liking PHP7?
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: when i do 'inventory', all my items now show id#s next to the item. (ie.: a white potion  [1679144717]  (25))  how do i undo this please?
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I believe that is a Fiendish plugin....one second...
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: that's really useful.
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: Don't believe it's a Fiendish plugin...
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arcidayne sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i was playing with invdata and inv..something..
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arcidayne Tech: invdetails. :p
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Well it's possible you aliases it by accident, but that would be the only way you'd see those numbers when you typed inventory.....
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: you aliased....
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: only thing i wanted to get was 'eqdata', which another person had told me on tech.  which is all i wanted.  during the whole process, i got this inv+id added on...
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: well, invdetails broke my client rofl
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: The plugin is called:  Aardwolf_Inventory_Serials you can type CTRL+SHIFT+P and remove it.
T3/r7/2016-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: thank you, that fixed it.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: hrm...you should ask for their admin pws too lol
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: Hi. i was told to ask on here about soundpacks for this mud. does Aardwolf have soundpacks?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: system of a down works well.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lucron looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: I don't understand sorry.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: it's okay, it wasn't that funny.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: I was told to explain i'm blind. yeah, i should have done that. *smiles*
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: makes more sense.  I'm not aware of any, but I'll check/ask around.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: I'm loving the influx of blind players lately.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: really?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: yeah.  it's very cool.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: sure is. a soundpack would be even more cool
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: this is a slow time of day for the mud, many more on tomorrow.  if you aren't on then I'll try and remember to ask around.  you can also write a note on the tech board.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: or I could do the non lazy thing and look it up on google.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gently, Rumour Tech: there is a sound pack for aardwolf
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gently, Rumour Tech: https://code.google.com/archive/p/aardwolf-scriptalicious/
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: thanks man. i'll check it out
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: woot rumour to the rescue
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riyu Tech: err. sorry thanks. I don't know if you're a guy or girl. silly me.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gently, Rumour Tech: no worries, I am going to add it to the help www file so we all know where it is :)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: on the internet, everyone is a man
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lucron nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: "alias function "xrun_to" not found or had a previous error." how could i solve this problem for search and destroy ?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: dont know for sure, but anytime it happened to me, i reinstalled file and it worked
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: sorry how could i reinstall file again?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: go into your plugin screen, highlight the script, and hit reinstall(assuming you are a mush user)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: file > plugins
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: probably not a permanent fix, but should help out until someone can help you fix it for good
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: thank you for the advice , but still has the same problems
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vibrating Vinatia Tech: sorry, thats the most i know tech wise. there are many more players who can help you more than I
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: no worries thanks alot anyways :)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: ugh whats the help command for s&d?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: ww help
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: search help or ww help
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: also click on the ? on the gui
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: and if your gui wandered off it is 'xset reset gui'
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: thx
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: looking for command to set the starting area of zone
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: err starting room
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: xset mark :)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: thanks much
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: whats the command to reset gui
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qbano Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: never rememmber, aardreset or reset aard
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: something like that ,unless you mean s&d which qbano told you.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qbano Tech: yea...kinda assumed there. my bad
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: thats it thanks
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: any way to set an entire area norecall/noportal?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: do you know if they have invented a light indicator to show which monitor has the active window currently?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The window titlebar is different on the active window (Depends on your theme)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: hm. i've been thinking what was missing with win 10. that was it:)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: right now, the sole difference between active and inactive windows is that the right upper icons are just a wee bit darker when its active. genious work by the theme designers:)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: you have 2 ways, the icon in the taskbar is highlighted when active, and the minimize maxmize close bottons are dark or light
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: but the active window led on top of the monitor is my idea. if you're gonna develop it and sell it, you have to pay me. 10$
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lucron Tech: the sharks have heard your idea, and unfortunately did not bite.  good day. ;)
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: damn i like the idea.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The last thing I need is another LED shining in my face on electronics..
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seechiriki Tech: But LED's are so cool. They make everything faster, doncha know?
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: they can have smoothing filters.
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: some leds are awful yep. a far away neigbor decided to put a bright led lamp on top of his garage. its insanely rude. everyone in 500m radius suffer now
T3/r7/2016-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}__m_OO_m__ Hwuaijijal Tech: but tiny dots of light are very cool. ever been in a recording studio? its so romantic when you switch off the general lightning
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: i need to make some kind of script, with a variable/list to hold a number of applicants (updatable add/remove), finger/whois them to see if they are on. and provide a subject line for notes.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: anyone got any ideas or places to point me?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: A note scrapper?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades points at you.  How rude! 
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I would direct all tech questions to biker
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: more like clan applicantion tracker, starting to lose track of applicants, and every day i have to pour through hundreds of notes to find thier names
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: so that's why my app went unanswered
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Rishken, you would be better off writing that as a plugin use SetVariable and a serialized table to save across loads
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: lol pleiades, i havnt been doing apps but like 2 weekz, and no one got unasnwered yet :P, im just looking for a more efficent way
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: eh :9. ill have to hire someone, tobad donations arent up, i
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: id hire that way
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: Also, without knowing a little more about the script it is a bit hard to know the specifics of what you need to look up
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: idea just came up, so i havnt tried to flesh it out yet. mainly just something to hold an input like (appadd Name) then another command like apptrack to finger each person and see if they are online.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: if you guys know anyone that want to take a freelance plugin job, i'll pay for thier time.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: heh, if you have more than a few on that list at once you will flood the screen with finger messages
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: anyway to mute that, like search and destroy does on some things?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that would not be hard
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: idealy ited be muted and just have a popup or something with final info
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: well note even a popup just an output
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A macabre Sonet Tech: that does not sound like it would be to difficult actually
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: anyway if you guys know anyone that wants to give this a try, i'll pay either in tp, or USD,, 
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rishken Tech: i dont think it'd be difficut at all actually, im just not coder
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: How well do computer power supplies tolerate stepped sinewave input waveforms?  For example, the APC BackUPS 280 outputs a stepped sinewave waveform while it's on battery.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Araceli Citlalin Tech: I'm guessing "just fine" is probably the answer since it's marketed as a computer backup power unit.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nesta Tech: my campaign plugin is stuck at the top of the page , is there any way to remove it?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Queen B Vinatia Tech: getting error code 11001. and sayimg host not found. any ideas?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galdric Tech: try checking your port
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galdric Tech: I recieved that before when I miss ted the port
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galdric Tech: typed*
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Queen B Vinatia Tech: port 4010 right?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galdric Tech: Yes
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Queen B Vinatia Tech: port is correct. 
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galdric Tech: Idk then, sorry :c
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirCanada Tech: -20
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: can i call another alias from within an alias?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: in mushclient
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yes
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: how?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: you just use the alias name
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: not working, the alias sends it to world or script, nothing in the client to activate the second alias
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: is there an execute option?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: in lua i call "Execute()" and it works
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: hm, yes, just found that one, will try
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: yes :)
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tole Tech: once i didn't tpyo the syntax, thank you
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: hello, how can i create a window to show only the spells i have on it ? i keep forgeting the speels numbers
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: do you know the spellup command?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: i haven't yet use it but yehh i know it
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: it will cast only the spells you're not affected by... if i undrestood your problem correctly
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: need to keep write spells to remember the number to cast a goodberry to eat for example
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: or the one that creates a light to drop it and see
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: how about just "cast goodberry"
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: well so far it has been more or less that what i have been doing ... easyer 
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: but i am sure list os spells will increase and i am sure i will lose track of all names
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: how good is your coding in LUA? That's what you're gonna have to to do create what you want.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: never done it so .... no ideia what language that uses ?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: it uses lua
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: well them i am sure it's bad for now
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: wiki has any help on it ?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: maybe better to check the other plugins that create miniwindows and put info in them
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: ok will check hem
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: i am not even being able to use a script made by someone ... it say's error context in script
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/Consider_info.xml
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: that plugin is not made for aardwolf
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and looks like from the 2008
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: but when i press menu help --> plugin list it goes to that page lool
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: maybe it will work if you update it a little. It is an8 year old plugin
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Extreminador Tech: on menu file there is another plugin option there
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thailog Tech: anyone know of a good campaign or quest tracker, that works well with the current aardwolf mushclient install?
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thailog Tech: found some old plugins, but you can't move them around
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Bast's stuff is pretty nice.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mique Tech: I dont know but have you ever looked at http://campaigns.gaardian.com/index.php
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thailog Tech: very cool, bookmarking that site.  Not quite what I was after, but better than what I was able to find.  Thanks!
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: i have request for anyone to modify the current aard mush chat log to have user setable tabs. ive asked a few people includeing the author of the chat log. noone wants to take up this task. this may be a daunting task or maybe too horrible to undertake but i hope someone has the codeing to take it up
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: I am not sure mushclient supports tabs natively.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: if not, they would have to be custom made. Not an easy task.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: bast has some kind of setup for tabs
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: i understand its not an easy task. but i also hear from eery use i ask that they would love that
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Patiently, Anaristos Tech: there is always cmud :>
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Hey, no cursing on this channel Anaristos
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Patiently, Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mannec coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mannec Tech: zmud
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exiled To Aphelion stares as his 22-tab window.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alzar Tech: why is my centos guest taking so long to install? :C
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I use tinymush.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: cmud dosent have the fiendish's mapper
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exiled To Aphelion finds cmud's mapper adequate even if it was written for zmud :)
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: the secret to cmud's mapper is that it is integrated with gmcp and it is super-programmable.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: could be. be getting someone to part with there zmud or cmud map files is like pulling teeth
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: a low-level integration
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: another thing is that the mapper database is SQLite. So it can be manipulated anyway you want.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Never Level Tech: my first request still stands. i need someone with enough umph to get this coded :P sofar everyone is scared of it or not willing to do it without alot of pay
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: I use CMUDPro, and I have about 65% mapped.  I wouldn't mind sharing map files, but I have passdoor, so a lot of the doors aren't mapped.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I even moved it to MS SQL and had it worked great except that every time I updated the mapper I had to convert from jet to ms sql.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: see, that's a nother trick. I have all the doors mapped but I added a flag in userint that says ignore door in this room.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: so when it tries to pen the door the door-openiung script exits if the flag is set.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: That's a good idea.  I use the Hint field to tell me where keys are at for no-pass locked doors.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lug Tech: Someday I'll get around to getting the hints to pop up automatically when I bounce off a locked door.
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: i started using a door-opening script when Kingsholm came live and we had the Altar problem :)
T3/r7/2016-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's better than the... *puts on sunglasses* Altar-native