T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'lol Putin == Trump'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just watched the news about the Russian state media has banned the words "war" and "invasion"'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'what do they call it'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'There is no war is Ba Sing Se'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's a "mission"'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Menpehtyre laughs at Cilmarill mercilessly.
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'seems that putin has even less respect for truth and free speech :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'An urgent mission to deliver bullets, bombs, soldiers, and tanks to Ukraine in its time of need.'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'What do you think will happen if Ukraine start to lose? Will anyone intervene?'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I don't think there'll be any official army from other countries getting involved'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'feels like Putins loosing his mind'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'scary if true'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh god yes'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'well any person threatening to use nukes on a country it invaded, is nuts'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Ukraine is the only country to voluntarily give up nukes'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's hard to imagine what Putin's world is like - a small number of people desperate to impress him, heads nodding, etc'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'honestly it just makes me have more belief than ever in the power of the internet - if the Russian people had free reign to explore the whole world's opinions, surely something would happen'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'he does have some support there'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'plenty of people want in Russia want it to return to its glory days as a world power'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'make Russia great again'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Nationalism hasn't done the world a lot of good'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but Russia really could be great, it's huge and powerful, so get on with it and then the whole world will be a better place. Instead of feeling paranoid and actually invading countries - just bloody wake up to the 21st century!'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'lol, so many ppl are so delusional :D '
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if I was Russian (and had free access to world media) I'd be utterly embarrassed - so I can't help but think that most of Russia (maybe secretly) would think the same'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'im not sure most russians even know whats going on'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'being American (my assumption) and speaking how bad is invading other countries... sweet :D '
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'problem is in Russia if you go to a protest you get dissapeared'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'You can hate what Putin is doing while being from a country that has also done bad things'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'all countries doing bad thigns... which are good for them'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'yes, and I'm against all of it'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yes for sure - I mean it's fine to get all self righteous, but while I have no real understanding of the middle east and all that, I know that the UK is only to happy to sell weapons, sow discontent, etc'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm not saying human nature should change, just that Putin seems to be stuck in the 1950s or something'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'well, for ordinarily ppl best way to avoid bloodsheet is... to not fight?'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Can't De Cide: 'Sadly because humans are humans there will always be fighting in the world'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Putin was a KGB agent during the soviet era, he wants to return to that time i think'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Can't De Cide: 'a War over some "power" someone wants or something that someone else has that they want.'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, and I know it won't stop, but like economic war, and shifts in policies and what not seem more civilised'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm scared that Putin will shift the idea of what mutually assured destruction was supposed to mean.. that we all do everything in snide secret ways rather than just bashing each other with big clubs all the time'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean - we *should* be snide and secret, and not just keep invading and stuff like it's the feudal era'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Putin got away with invading Georgia 10ish years ago and got away with invading Crimea a few years ago, you can see why he thought he could get away with invading Ukraine now'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'and he is right in that no country is keen to step in and help Ukraine by sending in soldiers and starting a conflict with Russia'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah, for sure, and you can get away with it. But that's what's scary - mutually assured destriction is supposed to makes everyone just be a bit more 'polite' about it - he's just like yeah I'll still do what I want you bunch of twats! and it's scary that the rest of the world might start to see it that way. Maybe I'm too British'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'which is a good thing or bad thing, Guy?'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'good or bad that no country will help Ukraine?'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'yup'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'well - actively help Ukraine'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no country can go in directly'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'good that no country wants a war, bad that no one can help'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the US could just wade in there and kick the shit our of Russia if it wanted, but it'd be a real bad thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Very bad. Very.'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'e'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'e'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'sry :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Antifa Raded: 'no dolphins on debate pls'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'any guesses what will after war? let's play a game and finish sentence: "covid" - "ukraine" - "?"'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Menpehtyre: 'CLIMATE CHANGE'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'rapture'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Antifa Raded: 'does getting nuked count as rapture?'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'After the war? Everyone will fight for the contracts to fix things up there and take their share.'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Antifa Raded: 'those few minutes that the ICBMs are on their way to population centers will be great for posting'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'I also vote for climate change'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm going with the naked thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh hang on you said nuked'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: '(I actually genuinely read that as naked;)'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ticktock: 'I mean if I'm going to get nuked, I'm gonna be naked for it.'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Everyone running around in a panic trying to get to shelter while Ticktock angrily strips'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ticktock grins evilly at Guy of Gisbourne.
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'LOLOL! that's such a funny image'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Antifa Raded: 'I'd rather die at ground zero than of starvation 6 months later'
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill inserts her stiletto carefully into the back of Raded's neck while he watches Gisbourne furiously ripping his clothes off
T3/r7/2022-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'but you could ba a vault dweller like in the "fallout" series and save the world! (or at least Arroyo) :P '
T3/r7/2022-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'wow just seen that Russia is passing law that would put people into prison for "unnoficially reporting the law"'
T3/r7/2022-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'um - the war'
T3/r7/2022-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/sainsbury-renames-chicken-kievs-pulls-122532934.html '
T3/r7/2022-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: '"chicken kievs" cancelled'
T3/r7/2022-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'now they are chicken kyiv'
T3/r7/2022-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'heidegger sucks'
T3/r7/2022-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'haven't studied philosophy in years lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'care to elaborate?'
T3/r7/2022-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'okay. heidegger is a huge influence to pretty much every political movement that i disagree with. his ontology is really wrapped up in his language. like what is the point of arguing about dasein, of being-in-itself, if it is an opaque point that is alien to basic human understanding'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'which philosophy (or philosopher) you recommend, Saturnian?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'i prefer alan watts'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'I haven't heard about him... how is his style of writing? '
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'they're all downhill from Plato'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'or Aristotle?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'I meant what I said :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'Francis Bacon, Immanuel Kant'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'i'm pretty fond of wittgenstein, bertrand russel, carnap, ayers, quine'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'russell'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'David Hume and Karl Popper'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'im just kidding, modern wise I like Rawls '
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Count Zensch nods at Classic Vost.
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'Kuhn + Fayerabend (if my spelling is correct)'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'also I think Plato was mental'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'and pre-Kant philosophers, his "work" and philosophers after him I'm too dumb to understand unfortunately (with few exceptions)'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'CIl, you mentioned Kant, wasn't Kant platonic?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean it's an easy target, but still - for all the incredible thoughts he had that stand the test of time, he had a good few that are literally sectionable'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'mind-body problem, who was right? what do you think about transferring mind from "head" to digital form?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'much less possible than you think - it's a fallacy that all our thinking happens only in the brain'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'what is matter? nevermind. What is mind? No matter.'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'one of my favourite nerdy facts is that we have as many neurons in our gut as a dog's brain - and dogs aren't stupid'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'agree, it's more complicated than this... still, can you completely refute the idea to digitilize yourself?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'impossible to completly refute isn't it?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think so - the point with digital is that it's like maths, it's based on provable computation. But the brain, being organic, depends on things waaaay more deeper, even like quantum effects etc (and yes, I'm not in way over my head:)'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'but you have quantum computing - same thing (I'm joking)'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I don't think digital will ever be able to compute the complexity of life'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I don't understand it at all, but yeah, that sounds like it might be a little different'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'what we dont understand we find complex, to say ever is more of a hope to save the idea you have of "life"'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'check out the chinese room argument. say you're in a room with boxes upon boxes of chinese characters, and a handbook. someone outside the room passes you papers with chinese characters on them. the handbook instructs you which characters to send back out of the room depending on which ones you get. unbeknownst to you, the input is questions in chinese and you are outputting the answers. you would effectively pass the turing test for knowing chinese - but you don't know chinese, and doing this won't make you learn chinese.'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'now compare that to what a computer does. even if it could pass the turing test, it isn't "conscious"'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'more or less you are establishing why there is no "ai" its really well programmed to learn based on crtieria given but unknown things will be ignored '
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I feel like the turing test is a good test though. I feel like a room full of people processing chinese words wouldn't pass my turing test'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'it's just convex optimization in n-dimensional matrices'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'if you assume evolution is true, it took billions of years to evolve from simple matter to some form of intelligence (still questionable when I see people leaving half-eaten KFC boxes on seats) - but look at the progress with all computer algorithms / A.I. / data science'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'colonel sanders, the real one'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'colonel sanders, the real one"'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I feel like we're a long way away from intelligent machines. In fact I'd say we couldn't even get close, because we have no idea what actual intelligence is'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'dammit semicolon'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'colonel sanders, the real one, patented the pressure fryer and it had a spot for the burned bits to fall so the oil stayed cleaner longer'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just a single human cell is so complex it's well beyond our understanding'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'so i object to you kfc being involved in what can only tarnish the name of an actual entrepreneur who feeds me 1'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'our only measure of intelligence is that of humans, really. all other intelligence that we study has to be compared to our on'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'what do you mean "the real" colonel sanders?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'well not the characiture? (spellcheck) but the founder of kfc lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'also kfc actually isn't that nice, just saying ;)'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'but theyre one and the same arent they?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i mean isn't that what the guy looked like?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'the real colonel sanders was actually a vegan, KFC made up the whole chicken thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'not really. i made that up.'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'u mean taste wise? its diff ftaste in diff parts of the world. I hear the chinese one is quite nice'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'i however did not make the pressure fryer thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'i was impressed when i read that '
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's just kind of bland around here'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'so the final implication is that KFC box is in fact Schrodinger box, right?'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the only true application of schrodingers box '
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'is "dick in a box"'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'its both offensive ... and not'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The real Colonel Sanders looked like Mario Lopez and was kidnapped by the mother of his lady love because the mother wanted her daughter to marry a rich guy.'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and neeither'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'hehehe'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'mario lopez looked way better and still does!'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'we should feed a bucket of kfc a string of chinese characters and see if it's intelligent.. or even alive'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'he "slays" the Col. in looks.'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'no im reading the epxerts at wikipedia now, that's what the KFC company founder looked like. "his name and image are still symbols of the company"'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'thats amazing'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Feast your eyes, Hellion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5805oFdG5E'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'nothing in here about him being vegan...'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'already hated the decline in quality by the 1970's lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'KS being vegan sounds like SUCK an internet meme'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'side note saved by the bell made us think priviledged assholes are cool. Slater is def cooler'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'he said he made that part up :P'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'yuna that is amazing and i wish it was real'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What are you talking about? It IS real. It is a real short movie that aired on Lifetime and you can watch it right now.'
T3/r7/2022-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Recipe_for_Seduction#:~:text=A%20Recipe%20for%20Seduction%20is,premiered%20on%20December%2013%2C%202020.'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'anyone hear the news that the UAE and Saudia Arabia have been ignoring Joe Bidens calls?'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'yes i saw something about 'frosty relations''
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'but they have talked to russia'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'we are gonna be acfew'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'but uae's also supposed to step up with oil supply ...'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'screwed on gas prices'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'we're screwed on the space station though'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'they're bringing that down in another decade anyways i heard'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'no oil was down today, rest of opec wants to cash in'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'really?'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'hook me up with some links please'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'i like to get all sides'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/crude%20oil%20-%20electronic'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oil bah!'
T3/r7/2022-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'everyone knows soybeans only commodity worth trading :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Wellllll... Russians are losing their internet. Kremlin leaked a document saying Russian companies that don't move their servers to inside the country will be blocked on March 11th.'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'no aardwolf for them!'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'I blame the "world leaders" on all sides because they are all self serving hypocritical pieces of garbage'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'are there many russian players here?'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i just decided flatearthers are the kinds of people that'd theorize about why they feel warm when on fire rather than use established evidence.'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'the salamanders under our skin get antsy, duh?'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'are they excited by the fire?'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'exacerbated under full moon too'
T3/r7/2022-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'how many days yall think until Tucker Carlsen manages to rope the Clintons into this Ukraine biolabs bs he's pushing? i find any conspiracy not involving them at the root to be sorely lacking imagination'
T3/r7/2022-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill puts a Putin fask mask on, convinces you that she's QuestoR, and tells you to hill children, just like you always do
T3/r7/2022-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'ex9'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yay Putin!'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Newscaster mentions mounting evidence of Russian war crimes. Well, yes, I think that firing rockets into hospitals and apartment buildings will qualify.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'What consequences will they face beyond the things already done?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'is there any reason why Russians would be firing rockets into hospitals and aparment buildings? :D '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'To cause the civilian poppulation to rise up against the war? If that's the case, it isn't working.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'if you change you race after remort then you will start with min stats anyway'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'mis'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'interesting thought: is Putin better president from Russian point of view or Biden from American point of view? I expect most here are Americans, but please surprise me with the answers...'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Contigo: 'yes'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Putin is worse'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'i'd agree that a politically multipolar world is more beneficial to everyone overall than a monopolar world dominated by the united states. in that sense, eurasianists like putin are correct. however, the idea of drawing "the good" from fascism and communism in order to address the postmodern political condition is misguided'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'but i've had it up to here with politics lately'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hard to compare Putin and Biden. Their only common element is the word 'president.' Putin is a dictator. '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I was recently thinking that if I were a Russian politician, I'd like to be one at the local level. At least there you might get something done. The Russian parliament is laughable, a collection of stooges who rubber stamp whatever Putin tells them to. That's the way it looks from here, at least.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'h'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'in one of the videos Putin said that ppl in Russia need dictator or Tzar (if spelling is correct) - maybe that's why they like him'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Do you think Putin is correct? Russian's "need" a dictator?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'anyway, during cold war videos with Reagan and Gorbachov were more funny, at least they had some sense of humour :D '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'I don't know, I'm not Russian. I'm with the "west" just not following "our" propaganda'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hard for me to imagine anybody "needs" a dictator, but I'm not Russian. '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'i only care about aylorian politics'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'woops i was in gossip'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'whoopsy'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'but the real world also affect our world :P'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'look at the prices of qresets / trivia points - defo results of worldwide crisis :P '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i wish my laptop fan wasn't broke. i bet the csgo servers are decent right now'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'decently empty'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'he's a witch! burn him!'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'ever since f2p i pretty much quit playing. no 15 buck fine for getting vac'd pretty much ruined the game. they should have raised the price instead of making it free. all so they could put in some battle royale shit the game didn't need.. although it's better than most br games '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'pretty sure that protestor from TV ain't ever going to appear again :-('
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'on the other hand, there will be no social media (mind) and no Mac (body) there... in the perspective of 50 years Russia can be the most healthy nation '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'yall ready for $10-20 a gallon gas? Democrats are trying to tax gas and give the money in weekly payments to people who make under $50,000/yr lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'source?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'yayyy free money'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'i ride my bike and don't get taxed muahahahhaha'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'source is every news site on the internet and every news channel on tv. Pick one lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'gunna need sauce buddy'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i attempted to google it, didn't find anything'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'FIRST google result for "Dem Oil Tax" https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/03/12/democrats-file-new-tax-on-alleged-windfall-profits-by-big-oil/?sh=2a96b36c7a86'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'which it could only be a windfall tax if other countries weren't paying the same price for oil lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'what are the payments for ppl under $50k/yr? will US be the first country with guaranteed minimum income? :D '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'that says exactly nothing about weekly payments'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'so your source is:  dude trust me'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'windfall profit tax on the production of something that we are desperately seeking more of. we have some real geniuses running the show'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Mael: Open your eyes and read. I linked because you're either too lazy or not smart enough to use google'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'debate once again, that link says exatly nothing about weekly payments'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'szzilleriel - if you're going to bring up a topic, at least provide a position...instead of calling people stupid.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'also, seems like it is a tax on big oil companies who are making massive profits. Not sure why anyone would be against this'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Tibano I'm the one that was called a liar. You might wanna learn to read too'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'this idea is so silly it's hard to respond'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'It's not my life's purpose to research things for you Mael. Try reading another article.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: '2/10 pathetic troll attempt'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'lol - no people are calling you a liar. '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'step 1) beg iran/venezuela for more oil, step 2) propose "windfall profits tax" on people trying to produce the thing you are begging for. this is low iq theater'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Tibano: [15 Mar 13:21:02] (Debate) Mael: 'so your source is:  dude trust me''
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'like I said learn to read.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'never mind the fact I'd already linked it when he said he. He couldn't even pay attention long enough to troll properly.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'szz - that's a far cry from calling you a liar.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'but that's what ignore is for :) Trolls still living in mommy's basement. '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i found something about stimulus payments to reduce inflation, but those aren't weekly'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'stimulus payments to reduce inflation....lol wtf we have lost our minds'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'szz wowies he's so butt hurt. lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'living in upside down world'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Anyone else wanna roast me for not agreeing with them poltically and wind up on ignore? lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: '"Whitehouse and Khanna then propose to send half the tax collections back to consumers in the form of a rebate, which Whitehouse told reporters would amount to a $240 payout to single tax filers and $360 for joint filers next year. Thats if, Whitehouse claims, the price for oil remains at $120 per barrel. "'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'accusations from a narcissist are actually confessions'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'it's not introduced or anything. just speculation. this guy is a dumb dumb'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'your position is so strong that you need to hide behind ignore rather than back it up, lmao'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'Here's a debate - do you think the internet has caused people to become special snowflakes where only their opinion matters? Or do you think it's from lack of global conflict? and or/conflict in the individual's life?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'oil companies are reporting record profits (again) so i don't really see the issue'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I agree, taxing profits is a good idea imo'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'it's a great idea so long as you dont need oil and gas'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'Tibano, there are no snowflakes! Stop hurting my feelings.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'turns out based on the price of gas, we need it. sorry guys'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'why do think we shouldn't tax if we need oil and gas?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'well let's personalize it'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'zensch well - the ice caps are melting, so i'd expect to see less snowflakes in the future...'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'company is still incentivised to make profits they just keep less'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'we're paying the same price as england is paying for gas. There is NO windfall. The gas companies are benefiting from some magical profit center lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'yeah... but climate change is not confirmed yet, right?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Because that's what people are saying'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I'm English so don't have much sympathy that you are paying the same as us'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'here's one talking about quarterly checks, not weekly'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'let's say you go a casino and i give you $100. you could lose that $100 or not. over the past 5 years you ahve consistently lost that $100 roll at the roulette table. in fact, last year they charged you just to walk in the casino. now i tell you hey if you put that $100 down, i'm gonna any winnings because it's a windfall. are you gonna keep playing or are you gonna go do something else?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'What I'm saying is the oil company isn't making some kind of bonus profits. They're making the same profits they were. Their price has gone up too.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'the price of oil was negative recently. they have destroyed tons of capital over the past 5 years. this is long lead time capex (i.e., you have to place you bet on the roulette wheel, in massive quantities, way befor eyou know the price of sales you will realize at the time). so a windfall profits tax is completely asinine if you want to reduce the price of gas. like totally braindead idea'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'your price at the pump goes up because the gas station is already paying for the next batch of fuel with this batch of fuels profits. They have to make enough to make the next order.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'is the aim to reduce the price or gas or to tax the companies making money from the high price of gas?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'i dunno you tell me i assume it would be to reduce the price of gas unless we are talking about some sort of sociopath wanting to punish poor ppl?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'imo the price of oil is a fixed market in the US....artifical - There is no reason that the price of gas in the us went from 3 to $4.50 in a week and the US produces 80% of it's oil'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'what do you mean the price of oil is a fixed market'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'i mean it's controlled by a few key players and artificially pushed up and down'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'you have no idea how it works do you'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'that is literally the furthest thing from being true'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'the price of gas is subject to too many factors to be affected by a domestic tax in the US, all the tax would do is give money back to the government to be spent elsewhere - potentially benifiting the american people '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tibano shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'if you were producing oil, would you sell to the country that will pay you 100/barrel, or the one that would pay 200?  the oil may be produced here, but that doesn't mean it gets sold here.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'the producers are for-profit companies... they will sell to where they make the most money'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'oil is literally priced on an open market. it is not a fixed market. what do you think wti is. and it's also local based on whether there is sufficient distribution assets to take the oil from the location to market (i.e., pipelines bring down prices)'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'every so often global macro events like this Russia/Ukraine stuff happens and we get a nice reminder that there are a ton of ppl who have no idea how their energy markets work'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oil prices are heavily affected by the consortium of suppliers, who really do decide how much oil to release into the market'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'this is just not true'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'sorry, I still don't understand why this means you shouldn't tax oil companies more'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'well it's a fine idea if you want them to produce less oil'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'if you tax oil companies more, where do you think they will go to make up the extra cost?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'Gisbourne is going for the have your cake and eat it too argument'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'tax the companies more, they will charge more for thier products... so essentially you're taxing the consumer... albeit indirectly'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'I guess what I'm saying is the dependency on foreign markets for a product you produce and use in a domestic market is a fallacy as a generalization'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just like broadband suppliers didn't give us the best bandwidth right from the start, so they could all slowly feed us more and make us think it's worth than extra £10 a month'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'why do they have to go anywhere to make up the extra? tax is a cost of doing business, they still make large profits, share price still goes up, can still invest in long term future of the company'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'i dunno i feel like we need to just stop this arugment while you go take an economics 101 class or something'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'sure, if prices across the pond go up, you should see it affect the US, but not to the degree it has in recent weeks'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'you're making the assumption that products produced domestically are going to be sold domestically, which is just false.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'if, shipping costs aside, they can sell for more elsewhere, they will... that's where tariffs came into the game.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'xyzzy by that logic lowering taxes means lower costs but we saw with tax cuts during Trump that lower corporate profits just resulted in companies buying back stocks and led to no real help for the average american'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'i understand your position, but i'm debating for more security for domestic markets in general'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'i can't really muster the energy to explain why if a businesses' expected return on a given product is reduced that they will in turn produce less of that product'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'lowering taxes COULD mean lower prices... unfortunately corporations don't always act altruistically'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'and by "don't always" I mean NEVER'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'all i can say is I know understand how Europe hosed themselves on energy to such an extent is this is the prevailing viewpoint over there'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'so lower taxes just means companes make more money, higher taxes just mean higher prices so that profits go back up?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'if that is true then why not just tax the companies more, take a higher share of tax income from companies and lower taxes on individuals'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the price of something is based entirely on how much someone is willing to pay for it - that's why inflation is a thing - so if you lower the taxes on something so suddenly it's cheap, then the prices will be raised by the companies selling it'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'wtf'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'this is insanity'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'in the new age... the age of multi-national corporations... there is one rule.  Outperform last year's performance.  If you don't, you fire people.  If you do, you reward them.  It's all about the holy dollar.  The consumers are only in the equation because to MAKE money, you have to SELL to SOMEONE.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Have you EVER seen a country lower one tax just because they're raising another? lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'something like oil and petrol though, is a necessity, so people take advantage'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I agree with you Xyzzy but I don't like it'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'seeking profit at the expense of everything else'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'seems like it won't end well'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'should towns be protected from encroaching cities if it meant better quality of life for humanity at large?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'people are too lazy to protest with their wallets too. If something got too expensive and people stopped buying it the prices would go down. Oil companies have no fear of that because they know people won't even change what they drink to protest.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think a good way to think of companies is to imagine them as utterly sociapathic people with a whole bunch od shareholders hiding behind them pretending it's ok because they're getting rich'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Guy of Gisbourne nods at Cilmarill.
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'oil and gas are a market, like anything else... as newer technologies come to try to supercede the necessity, the companies double-down in their efforts to try to thwart the new tech.  Eventually, the newer tech... like solar, batteries, wind, hydrogen... may win out, but it won't be without a fight. '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'did you know russia was funding the green movement in euro'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'oil companies have been aware of this for a long time, if they were better at planning for the future then oil companies would be leading in renewables by now'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oil and gas are just not something you can do without though, to signal some kind of protest'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Russia's ecnonomy is the same size as the State of Floridas. They weren't funding much'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'you can actually do without oil and gas... it just takes effort and currently costs more than people are willing to invest'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'Xyzzy, are you suggesting that developments of cars was hindered by people using horses?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'actually I think Russia has the resources to be a huge positive force for global good, just they have this weird history of having arsehole leaders'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'pretty sure he didn't say that at all lmao'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'to the contrary... cars brought an insurmountable advantage over horses... a car can go hundres of miles in a few hours... a horse would take how much longer?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'They did this gas tax thing under Jimmy Carter in the 70s. There were gas lines stetching out of every gas station parking lot. You had to hear on the news who had gas to buy.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'the new tech won... and oil was cheap then.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'ahh OK :) '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'he's a witch, burn him!'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm someone needs to invent fusion power'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'fusion is not real.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'I have no doubt that given the research dollars, and the advances in technology, that something will surpass oil and gas.  The oil companies, however, will do everything possible to slow that down.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'it's not even close to what is being advertised.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill looks up at the sun - umm?
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'from us :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'not real yet *'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'it's along the lines of the 50mpg carburetor in 70s'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ4W1g-6JiY'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I do sometimes wonder what might happen if the US used it's defense budget to research fusion power instead'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'I love how everyone thinks their electric vehicle is saving the environment when the coal that was burned to charge their car is worse for the environment than burning gas in a car lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'my electric vehicle gets charged by the wind it captures while driving'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but at the same time as a British person I am very happy to have America's guns to hide behind (NATO, Ukraine, etc) and yes I am a pacifist'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'with the way humans work, if we spent the money on research of fusion power, we'd have turned the earth into a second sun by now, and we wouldn't even be discussing it...'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'oh yeah - but mmmm we buy 20k toilet seats. we should probably fix the source of our gross errors in federal funding rather than pushing bills to introduce more funding to other areas...'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'There are four fusion reactors on the planet right now with a 5th being built (finished in 2026). They just can't get them to run for very long yet.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'the high priced military parts are a function of bureaucracy more than anything...'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'not really those $600 ashtrays on submarines serve a purpose'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'they break into 3 blunt pieces instead of shattering incase they start flying around the sub'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'yeah, the fusion stuff is promising... I just worry that we'll have the fusion version of three-mile island or chernobyl at some point.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just saying (actually, googling) but us defense budget 768 billion, amount spent of fusion half a billion'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'not if we sacrifice the witches'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'dig through the ditches and burn through the witches'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'you ever seen a witch refilling their broom? i rest my case'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'The Brits and the Chinese are the ones really dumping money in to Fusion reactors at the moment. The brits are ahead of everyone in research. They've generated the most energy so far.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'the military bureaucracy works to ensure that EVERY part on military equipment is stamped.. by an approved vendor... and that the vendors allowed to bid are allowed to bid... and that they meet certain military-only guidelines.  They can't use a $20 home-depot toilet seat, because ... reasons!'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'The british reactor is only partially funded by the government too'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'https://dualworldfusion.com/'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'well, I was both encouraged and disappointed by the fact that the LHC didn't result in a man-made black-hole that swallowed our little corner of the universe.'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'Please watch Sabine Hossenfelder an actual theoretical physicist - I agree with her assessment that we are not close to achieving Qtotal https://youtu.be/LJ4W1g-6JiY?t=282'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'should i be trusting the opinion of a physicist that sells merchandise on youtube?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm pretty sure we're waaaay far away from practical fusion power, just like we're waaaay far away from having any computers that are actually intelligent, but it does seem like an awful lot of the worl'd problems seem to stem from not being able to buy/generate energy without fucking the planet/killing people?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'well, do you trust the 4 out of 5 dentists, or the other one?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i distrust all dentists'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and putting my foil hat on, I can't help but feel that sooo much of the established money in the world are shitting themselves thinking about alternative power sources that might actually be sustainable'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'while i definitely agree providing energy cheaply to any community increases their general well being - the advent of international markets has created a power inbalance that is manipulating the entire world toward the self interests of a few groups that do not reflect humanity at large.  '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'i will let you be the one to tell ppl in poor communities they dont get cheap power'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i say we stick all the nuclear reactor waste in poor countries'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill pokes Mushambo gentle HARD
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'we already do that?'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'do we? i thought US buries it in nevada'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'yeah, we do.. in Nevada and other desert-y areas... under a gazillion dollars worth of concrete, because there's a market.  Cheap land and a profit for big-concrete!'
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tibano: 'What is best in life? '
T3/r7/2022-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'when that well dries up, though, you'll be able to buy depleted uranium on the street corners in war-torn African countries.'
T3/r7/2022-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's diffiult to reconcile the nation of great literature, dance, music with the bludgeoning cement bicyclists of the Russian military and their dictator.'
T3/r7/2022-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'there is crime, and there will be punishment'
T3/r7/2022-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'I want to ignore the fact that Westerners that have no concept of what the war is about are willing to go to Ukraine to be cannon fodder for Nazis, but the fact that they are getting Ukrainians killed by doing stuff like posting geotagged pictures of themselves to social media is downright disgusting'
T3/r7/2022-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'Nobody deserves to die in this war, but westerners going to get Cool Guy Points without really understanding the Eurasianism/NATO thing and getting people killed in the process are horrible and if I meet anyone IRL who claims to have gone there I will solidly punch them in the effing face'
T3/r7/2022-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'I do not like fascists and I don't care if they're "our fascists". This has gone beyone ridiculous, the US government no longer represents the citizens'
T3/r7/2022-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'We are no more or less totalitarian than the Russians and perhaps have worse intentions, globalism is racism.'
T3/r7/2022-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snake God Szzilleriel: 'Do dyslexic priests ever pray to their dog?'
T3/r7/2022-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'am I awake or just a little tipsy?'
T3/r7/2022-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElIMMental Sammael: 'I for sure am'
T3/r7/2022-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well since I can't even whois you I'm just going to go with tipsy'
T3/r7/2022-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Derevo peers around herself intently.
T3/r7/2022-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'why do phone companies still hate the idea of a CLI sms option from computer? there's' already ways to text from computer through phone and some are from the companies. can't be hard to just support a terminal app for it so i can happily text away without letting go of my precious keyboardd'
T3/r7/2022-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'if yall think inflation is bad now, just saw that wheat's up 50% this month :-/'
T3/r7/2022-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derevo: 'somehow we dont have wheat 50% up here'
T3/r7/2022-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'oh you're right woops, 33% this month'
T3/r7/2022-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'it's fallen a bit because i guess there's hope of peace'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill watches new - yay Putin! Saving Maruipol day by day
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'news!'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'are you being sarcastic?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh I'm being so ironic I'll never wash it off. Russian state media is pushing forward the idea that the Russian army is "saving Mariupol while the Ukranian Natzis are trying to destroy it"'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'its pretty disturbing that Ukraine has never been able to shake off its ties to the Nazis'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'but as the moral to one of aesops fables clearly states...any excuse will do for a tyrant'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lysiria: 'I can't debate you because I think that's all well said. LOL'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'we're not seeing any evidence of Nazi activity on British news'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's all very simply that the Russians are shelling civilian buildings without any restraint'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'they are literally commiting war crimes every single day'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'if anything the failed invasion is just giving the bad apples battle experience and a common enemy to unite against'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well the scary thing is Putin hunkering further and further into his littler and littler shell and then eventually imploding - he's not the kind of person to gracefully back out of a bad idea'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'so are the times we live in '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'when someone like him is wrong they just double or triple down and go for broke'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'should the US and other countries really get involved though? '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh gosh no'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I mean while we are at it why don't they sanction China too and demand liberation of the Uyghur population'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'although honestly at the same time I wonder, if the West just rolled up and said umm no! maybe Putin would have to run away with his tail between his legs for good'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I'm a firm believer in doing the right thing no matter the cost but the US has very dirty hands so...'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'like there as underlying thing of Putin only doing this because he knows he can get away with it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yes, and I don't really understand all the middle east stuff, like, at all'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I think this thing comes down to ooh, they've got a lot o nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the United States has gotten really good at overthrowing governments and installing leaders that help further their interests'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'then at some point the leadership they install ends up turning on them '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah I do get the hypocrisy of it all. Like ooh - since it's a European country all of a sudden we report it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I'm sure you've seen the "racist reporting" '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i only put it in quotations because those search terms should pull up what I'm talking about'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'even Trever Noah pointed it out so i assume 99% of people are aware of what I'm talking about'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I do think it's very clear that Russia has a much more draconian way of supressing free information'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'well yeah lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well if Trever Noah tried to express himself like that in Russia he'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'putin was asked about the fact that his political opponents are either arrested or assassinated etc'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'he said Russia does things differently and has a more efficient system'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'seems to me that in America everything is free real estate including public opinion and morality'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so, in the end, for all the harm and horrible things the US may have done, and just all countries in general, I suppose I just think people should be allowed to have freedom. Especially oh speech'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i mean have you seen how college campuses react to unpopular opinions '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, freedom and democracy. Not that it's perfect, far from it, but if that's what people believe in, even if they're idiots sometimes and do it wrong, in the end that will be the best way'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but as long as people are afforded the freedom, eventually it'll sort itself out'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: '"democracy" is a buzzword though'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'in practice pure democracy is either unfeasible, a foolish concept or both'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'maybe if the populace were better educated...'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think democracy is just the idea that you're allowed to have your say. Doesn't mean it makes a difference (although it does, in some small way), but just that you're supposed to be able to have your say'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'imagine what it's like to live in a country where you're consciously aware that you should voice your opinion'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'erm shouldn't voice'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'well you could voice your opinion in the US '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'like growing up just thinking that you're not allowed to say what you think'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'if you want to keep your job its best not too '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the whole deal now is sure you have freedom of speech but you also have the consequence that Comes with it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'on one hand we could be talking putins russia...straight to Gulag'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'exactly, just like here. And if you voice an opinion that stupid, or harmful then ok. I have faith in humanity that eventually we'll work it out, kind of like a crowd intelligence or something'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'or bidens america where you lose your job and get doxxed'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'or Putin's America where you lose your job and get doxxed (don't know what doxxed mean btw;) but you're not allowed to complain about it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'doxxed is where someones identity gets posted onlinr'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'name, address, employer etc'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'whaa? when you lose your job you get publicly shamed?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'usually used as a tool of targeted harassment campaigns'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkuth: 'democracy is the worst form of govenment untill you look at the alternatives.'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'its pretty politically divided in the states and people are willing to go to insane lengths to shutdown unpopular opinions'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think I'd still rather get doxxed, although that sounds awful, that being afraid for me and my family of what I say'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i don't really share my opinion online. even though I'm willing to live and let live, others aren't'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'dunno, it seems to me that freedom of speech is the ultimate, and the ambition of democracy is just an expression of that'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I'm libertarian right so my opinions really wouldn't go down well in the public space'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I feel like I don't mind people thinking I'm an idiot or just disagreeing with me, what I object to is people telling me what I should think'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well me too actually, although maybe naively though because I think it means you have faith in human nature'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'as a cisgender straight "white" male I'm the worst of the worst'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'not liking trump also makes me a traitor XD'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but seems like humans, expecially humans that are actually in positions of power, are quit often arseholes'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'teue'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'but power is pretty consolidated right now isn't it? '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'so once someone is in that position they can't really fail unless they are total degenerates like Harvey Weinstein'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I mean I suppose so, although honestly I don't now too much about it. However, I think the general trend is that power has become less and less consolidated over the centuries'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if this was 300 years ago, then Putin wouldn't bat an eye about the world thinking he's a prick, because no one would even know'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'most of us are just consumers ruled by our corporate masters'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'plenty of proof of insider trading amongst politicians for example. nothing will ultimately come of it '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I actually honestly hope think hole invade Europe thing might finally be the moment where the world realises they can't just do shit without people finding out, so actually there's more accountability than there's every been'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I suppose takes time? like even another century or something I don't know'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'in regards to accountability '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'depends'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I'm sure that there were less people openly complaining in like 1800 or something'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so there we go, democracy - it really just boils down to the people's ability to disagree'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'if the media is on your side its hard to really be held accountable'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah right, like the Russian media or (whispers) Fox News - but, if people can voice their opinions, then eventually you can't hold back the tide'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'like mark zuckerberg....they make him testisfy before congress. they make impassioned speeches...threaten to break up his company with anti trust laws etc. as long as he does what the powers that be want he'll be fine.'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but you know, 2, 3 hundred years ago not only was there no way to voice your opinion properly, you didn't even think that it was a thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'You can't pretend that CIA black sites don't exist'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'ntm if you really know too much you might just murdered in a "botched" robbery lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'or just outright assassinated'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I mean I can guess at what black sites mean, but still that's actually a response to the fact that the world is a much more open place than it ever was'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'black sites are off grid secret prisons'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I just mean that the slow direction of humanity seems to be, and hopefully will continue to be, more and more open information. And, thankfully, that seems to lead to more and more democracy'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i think what you're talking about is more of an illusion though'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'like, yeah, I get disgusted by the few and what they do to drain the resources from the many, but at least I know about it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'especially as IQs continue to drop and humans begin acting more on emotion than logic'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'or no - it's not that - at least I feel like I'm able to complain about it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'as nietzsche said god is dead '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh wow you've no idea how much I want to get into that one ;)'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'politics is the new religion'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you realise I'm a stupid halfling ninja right?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the fact that you have half the world (seemingly) saying glory to ukraine is in itself disturbing...'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I don't really get that - it seems clear that Ukraine is being invaded'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'Its a complicated situation'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I certainly don't think the leadership anywheres is doing their people any favors'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm no, it's Putin flexing himself basically, thinking he can just take another piece of Ukraine, scared ok Ukraine being in the EU, and NATO, and expecting to be able to do it quickly like before, and then look like a strong leader, and do another calendar with him halk naked riding horses'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'Nato is a legitimate concern'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's an utterly blatant invasion'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well the Ukraine president has already conceded any future membership of NATO'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'could have done that to begin with'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you know the sad thing is Russia could be a huge force for the whole world, all it's resourceds, it's people, but Putin is acting like the evil one. Imagine a world with Russia being commited to the good of the world'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'imagine if ukraine didn't get in bed with the Bidens'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'shrugged off nato for the time being'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm well that's a bit above my head'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'and got rid of their nazis'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but why wouldn't they? The Ukranian people want freedom and democracy and want to be a part of the EU'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and I don't know where you get the nazi thing from'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if you actually think Russia are trying to get rid of Nazis I'm very convinced you're mistaken'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'didn't say that'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the best fighters ukraine has are neo nazis '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'and ukraine has a long history with the nazi party going even into modern times'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'a lot of European countries do'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but it's really a minority thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'do you know the history of ukraine? '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well no'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'especially from WW2 on?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'nope'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'well see there is where the misunderstanding is'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no but are you suggessting that Russia is attempting to remove the navis from Ukraine?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the worst to come out of this is going to be neo nazis factions with battle experience'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and then by implication that Ukraine was actually being controlled my nazis in the first place?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'pretty much the nazi equivalent to ISIS'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so what Russia is doing is actually for the good of the greater world?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'at times yes Ukraine has been controlled by Nazi supporters'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'none of this is going to help anyone. its short sighted on everyones part'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I don't think you shell civilian buildings for the good of the greater world'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'seems fairly obvious to me'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'Ukraine isn't going to come out stronger when their main fighting force is neo nazis.'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'they won't risk losing to russia so they won't be able to shrug it off now.'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you don't get rid of nazi by circling a country with 120 thousand troups and 50 miles of tnaks and bombing the crap out of whole cities'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'you are missing the point entirely'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I really don't think I am'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'neither side is good '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you don't go to war with a country to rid them of a minority political movement'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'its really sad for the civilians on both sides'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'there are no both sides'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'its not a minority political movement...'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you're implying that the Ukraian side are nazis'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it definitely is'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean look, if the majority of the Ukranian establishment was Nazi then fine, something aught to be done'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the two aren't mutually exclusive '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I don't know all the details, but I'm willing to bet that if the EU was ready to accept them, then it was a nazi country'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'Sure putin is going in under false pretenses. He could care less about ukrainian problems or the world. its all self interest'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the very idea is just ridiculous'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'but ukraine has a serious nazi problem '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you don't declare war on a country because there's some neo nazis there'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Real Slim Shader: 'Taibo, can you elaborate on the "nazi problem" which Ukraine has? Especially after Maidan?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'are you American? because you have plenty of them too'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'you said you are not familiar with Ukrainian history'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'you should look into both sides before you debate with emotion instead of logic'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm well let's not start a fact war'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but yes I've done a little more googling'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and it seems clear that the Ukranian people wanted to join the EU'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and anyway, to get back to my point - if you suspect a country has a problem with Nazis, why send in an army and shell civilian buildings?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that's not how you do it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'unless of course the country is so infested that it's openly agressive'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and that was very very far from the case'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'while we're at it then, how come it's against the law in Russia to call it a war?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh, and how come people get jailed for speaking out against it?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'does that sound righteous to you?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh umm, people in the media are resigning in droves'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'didn't say it was righteous at all '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'perhaps that's because they so tired of telling the truth?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'nor do i consider myself American'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'if i lived in germany i wouldn't consider myself german'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm not saying there's not two sides'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'and if i lived in china i wouldn't consider myself chinese either'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I do think one side of it is talking utter bullshit about what's clearly happening'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and I don't need to know that much about Ukranian history to see that'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'its simultaneously true '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's very simple. Why run an army into Ukraine and shell the crap out of it?'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'once again not mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'putin can be a scumbag...and ukraine can and does have a nazi problem'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'ok fine well so does America, yay, let's invade America'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'facts are facts'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh hang on, Germany has a lot of neo Nazis, let's wheel up a 50 mile line of tanks and blow the shit out of them'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'civilians suffer the most in war. especially the ones who don't want it'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm sorry to be flippant with you, because obviously you're very considered'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'and if thats how you feel then we shouldn't be holding up russian refugees at the border but we are.'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but seriously, it's utterly ridiculous the try and suggest to a population that told your army to solve a neo nazi problem'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's pathetic'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'they really should have solved that issue'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'because the problem will be exasperated now'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and the Russian people, who should be duely proud of their country as huge force for global good, would be able to show their anger at being made to look so stupid to the rest of the world if only it wasn't illegal to say what you want'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'clearly you haven't studied all sides of the issue or read what i wrote with any comprehension because you just want to prove your point. '
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'admist all that you've just managed to disagree ekth'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'with someone whos been agreeing with you this whole time lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I'm not going to look at ukraines leadership with rose colored glasses'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no not at all, it's been really nice to talk about it with you, really :) I learned a lot of things, and googled many thing :))'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'ultimately the Ukrainian people are suffering because of the actions of russia and the ineptitude of their leadership'
T3/r7/2022-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I act silly in this game but I get little shoots of seriousness and petulence :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'the only reason why we would tank the petrodollar like this is if we were moving away from having the USD as a global reserve currency. keynes recommened this with the 'bancor' after wwii'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'it's the same reason why we got off the gold standard'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'but i'm not wrong...'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'and it'll take wwiii to do it because they love keynesianism and it didn't take after wwii. so we need another world war apparently.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'The point is, there's no taking the moral high ground on this after Afghanistan and Iraq.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'It isn't about humanitarianism, freedom, democracy, whatever just as much as it wasn't when we bombed the middle east for the past 20 years so it isn't about the rights of the ukranians, it's about resetting the petrodollar to a CBDC due to the triffin dilemma - having a national currency that is used as a global reserve currency leads to huge problems when short-term domestic policy runs head against global long-term policy. i.e. running a defecit in the short term doesn't work when you need to run a surplus in the long terms'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'it's a banker's war and we're all being lied to'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'but we were in afghanistan for over two decades and let's not forget that when we're calling putin nasty names'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'https://youtu.be/yAs_ftqJAOo'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pfft, too far.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'If I was fleeing my country after it got invaded I would take all the cash I could carry with me'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'lol'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: ''cash'? define that, please - if its 'national currency of the invaded nation', then you may as well spend it on toilet paper on your way out.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'probably USD from Biden'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'cash - whatever the best available currency is, usually usd or eur'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'would you not?'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'mmm.  there are worse options - for now.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'love how all of a sudden Ukraine is saintly'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'feel bad cor gbe'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i feel bad for the innocent civilians'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'no one is saying Ukraine is saintly, same as every other country'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'but its a corrupt country with a muppet for a president'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'still don't deserve to be invaded'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WeaponGuy's new sockpuppet, is that you?'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'thats up for debate'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Guy of Gisbourne laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your account is less than 1 day old, Taibo. Are you, in fact, a Russian bot?'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm fairly sure Russia isn't trying to weed out the corruption'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still maintain that you're probably a Russian bot. This is a weird place to try and spread your propaganda.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i mean they did pretty much beg to be invaded with the actions of their president'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Russia's plan for world domination step 1 - take over arrdwolf'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaah yes, the corrupt actions of Zelensky like... trying to join the EU and NATO.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'The us was all like you can do it ukraine! we will support you. heres some cash'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'of course they are, c.  the existence of anything that isnt russia corrupts the russia - keep russia pure!'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'and then ukraine is like nato please help'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'crickets XD'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'personally i think their corruption caught up with them'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Personally, I think we should all agree to ignore this clear Russian bot.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I don't like russia either'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'we all hate out employers'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'bunch of sheep '
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'what is youre self employed'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'if'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'NO. EXCEPTIONS.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can only assume this is both WeaponGuy's new sockpuppet AND a Russian bot.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'might just be a victim of russian propaganda'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'a Tucker Carlson fan who got swept up in it all'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But don't you know, they hate Russia! They can't have fallen for Russia's propaganda!'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is literally no difference between Russian propaganda and what Tucker Carlson spews.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Guy of Gisbourne is agreeing with that Summoner Yuna person again...
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I don't have stock in swanson '
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'there you are repeating what you read or heard again like a child that eavesdrops with no real clue what the reality is'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'you going to enlighten us comrade?'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i haven't seen any originality here'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'the NPCs on this game are next level'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I mean you really gonna defend some former ukrainian MPs wife who got caught with her hand in the cookie jar. Its laughable if it wasn't so tragic'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I didn't comment on if she was right or wrong but i did say I understood it and would probably gather all the cash I could if I was fleeing a war'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'but remember the news said they are "just like you" so they can do no wrong'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'are you just angry because you wanted her to leave the cash for your Russian friends to find?'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'she had millions'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Guy of Gisbourne nods.
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'their gov pays really well under the table i sed'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'you're upset because some Ukrainians aren't poor?'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'zelensky might be an idiot'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'but he didn't flee'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i can respect that'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'I hope they take a good look into her finances. she should be publicly shamed as well.'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'yeah, this is the worst thing to happen to Ukraine in ages, I can see why its got you so upset /s'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'i feel bad for the people'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'they have been fleeced by their own leadership'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'and now attacked by russia'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'its crap'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'home'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'mis'
T3/r7/2022-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taibo: 'did you just call russia home comrade?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yay I love the Taliban! what's better than girls not being allowed an education? this world is built on uneducated females, what idiot would want to stop that?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the problem with that is, how are you going to oppress anyone based on the color of their skin if they are wearing full-body curtains everywhere?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'beef curtains'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Pharaoh Mot.
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'when left alone white people usually single people out based on where they were born'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'people always find a reason to discriminate ieven if its just the way you alk'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'there is no safe space world even if all races are mixed and everyone wears the same clothes.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'indeed.  and as a last resort? theyll hate someone because they are _too_ similar.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'so why waste time thinking about it. a better goal is to think about how to get them to kill themselves'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'ah, but _why_? i have a hypothesis:'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'they already do it with abusive relationships with food'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yeltazig: 'have you seen sneaches on beaches by dr suess?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'but if you get rid of the lowest 75% of iqs you get rid of alot of those problems'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eating oneself to death is too slow.  gotta be another way.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'exactly. now were on track'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'but if theres no stupid racist people who will work in the factories'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i used to work at a tire factory and i can tell you that i appreciate every racist piece of shit in there'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nah, we need the low iq types.  smart folks _hate_ menial work.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'cause i never want to do that job again'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'youre a pretty fart smeller'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'right?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'even funner fact. we hired black people and they always said fuck this and quit:p'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'only mexicans and rednecks would do it cause the labor was so intense'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'so anyway, heres the issue - racism and most of the other -isms are all expressions of a pro-survival trait, to wit: xenophobia.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'You think so?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'I dont think its that complex'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'I think most people walk to fight to displace their anger and frustration is all'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, the expressions can be complex, because social - but the root cause is pretty straightforward.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'life is hard and a basic mind finds life easier when they can compartmentalize their issues and point at someone different and blame them'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'I think the human condition is just that. And it's easier to blame someone then to explore your horizons.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'it takes a great deal of courage and circumstance to go out into the world in search of adventure'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'where does your meal come from? who will love you? where will you live?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'much easier to stay home and blame the president'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'on a text based game'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that, also.  but distrust of the different, and the new? that helps perpetuate your own genes.  anything new might be dangerous, and so is best avoided.  and anything different is not just new, but also trying to take your food/territory/other resources.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'well black slaves were the reason we had food territory other resources'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'so your logic fails'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'its simply a way for mankind to displace anger is all'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'theres no darwinian theory'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'this has been true, if not since life first appeared, then at _least_ as long as it showed up for the second time :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm I think it's right that we have an in-built distrust of things that are different'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i think when left in a small group people distrust each other more than new comers'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'people distrust those they know more than strangers'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'thats the difference between a competitor for resources, and the resource itself.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I think bigotry and racism are more about thinking you're better than someone or something'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'the issue with an evolution debate always stem back to the missing link'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i disagree.  in my experience, contempt is much more prevalent towards known individuals, while distrust is aimed at the unknowns.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'we have skeletal structures from up to 300k years ago'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'at least with people you know and hate, you can _trust_ that they will behave badly.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'but there is no skeleton to date that bridges homosapiens'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'so if youre arguing that our less than 3% neandrothal dna'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'dictates all our basic emotions'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'ima call bullshit'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think evolutionary justification is kind of pointless, when you get to this level'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, i learned too much about how archeologists work to ever really care about what they have to say.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i believe the great flood'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'reset society. we were already here'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'theres no other way to explain megolithic structures'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's like saying men should be the workers not the women because they were always the one who killed the animals, while the women stayed at home'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'or sumer'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'most women you meet today have more dominant traits than most men'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'again it collapses'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'every human walking right now has a second to last spliced chromosome'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'forget evolution, it's nothing when we think about the way culture and thinking is today'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'this only occurs during cloning'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'meh.  theres an old guy in england who makes it his hobby to move and stack super-sized stone blocks.  its not that difficult to figure out a way to do that kind of thing, its just labor-intensive.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'we learned that with the goats in the 90s'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'ok'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i build and work on mega structures such as nuclear power plants'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'if you can form one square foot of that plant with rope and a copper chisel'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'ill suck your dick'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'waiting for picture evidence'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nah c, when you look at societies through a darwinian lens, its all pretty straightforward.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'let alone andosite'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'thats cause he was a moron'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'so he had a moronic view which is easy to adapt'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'almost all of his theory has been disproven'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'they teach froidian theory as well'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'also massively disproven'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'culture is evolving at a rate waaaaay fast than we ever did, survival of the fittest is irrelevant not for humans'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you men are stronger, sure, but it doesn't matter anymore'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'there are such things as materials advancements - if you want a nuke-henge, thats totally doable with bronze-age tech.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'isaac newton said that mental illness was caused by evil spirits'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'he was much smarter than darwin'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'not all of the crazy people i have met are demon-infested.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i am a demon'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'pretty much all significant scientists had crazy idea as well as revolutionary ones'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, dude got the ball rolling.  noone expects him to get every little thing spot on on a first pass.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'doesn't mean we believe them all'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the current understanding of evolution is provable via experiment.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well evolution is irrefutable, but that doesn't mean that we still act according to how we evolved 100 thousand years ago'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you might be surprised how little has changed in that time :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'being afraid of people who seem different to is is totally normal, but it's not because of us running around with spears'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's a socialogical thing, not an evolutionary thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you have it backwards.  the fear causes the (metaphorical or literal) spears, not the other way around.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'heh, societies evolve in ways similar to organisms.  and the motivations? havent really changed much.  just the details of how they are expressed.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but we're a lot more sophisticated now, and we know about things'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'a thousand years ago, yes, if you saw people who looked different to you, then you might be justifiable afraid, and want to protect your people'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and that would be a survival of the fittest thing'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and those motivations _havent changed_, because biological evolution tends to happen more slowly than sociological change.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but we're way beyond that now - so being afraid of people who are different is cultural now, and totally justifiable'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'thus, we see lots of not-terribly-beneficial behavior.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no, it's just coincidence - what we're trying to protect these days isn't the lives of our tribe, it's our idenity'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OMG It's Aleks: 'How about .... what if the woodchuck couldn't chuck wood because the woodchuck just chucked wood?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'we grow up and think something of ourself, and then if something comes along that challenges that, it's fearful'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'like i said - a slightly different expression.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and its a fallacy to think that previous generations didnt have self-identity and all the same feelings we do now - they have been people for quite a while now.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but it's nothing to do with evolution, or survival of the fittest, it's just the idea that what we though we were might be wrong'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'its easy to believe that, but only during a short time-window.  if you look at the longer view, its just an on-going process.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I mean I totally agree with that Mannec'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'also, i learned on the internet that what you think about yourself is way more true than anything else, even biology and physics.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm maybe it was never to do with survivial of the fittest, even when you were running around with a spear and I was in the cave making a fire'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think it is about identity'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'maybe it's just that the sense of thinking that you're right was always a good evolutionary trait'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, self-identity only lasts one lifetime.  but its not just about yourself, is it? your offspring, however many you have, will form their own identities based in part on their environments - which include the previous generation.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'self-confidence is a pro-survival trait, yes.  in many cases, even a wrong action is superior to in-action.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well no, it changes but it's one of the main things that's past on'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and those personal identity traits which lead to more grand-children tend to be preserved.  and we are back to evolution :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'ok, but we're no longer saying that evolution necessarily leads to xenophobia, we're saying that a strong self belief is important for survival of the fittest'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you seem to be under the mis-apprehension that those are mutually exclusive traits.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'also, there are _many_ pro-survival traits.  xenophobia is hardly the only one :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I know what you mean, but there is an important distinction'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I honestly don't think that a species that calls a few thousand years ancient history can apprehend the utter randomness of evolution over hundreds of millions of years.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'hah! we can totally simulate that sort of thing.  also, we can show the principles in the lab, by using organisms with a faster generation time than we have.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm no I don't think so'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: '?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the evolution of culture is much more complicated and much more important in understanding the way we think these days'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, 'complicated' i think means something different to you than it does to me.  i would call it 'chaotic', in the mathematical sense - simple at its core, but tends towards complexity in action.  also, 'important' is one of those hard to pin down value statements :/'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: ''faster' i will grant, so it is certainly easier to see it in the process of changing - which would naturally draw attention to it, and away from the slower biological issues.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean we have big brains and opposable thumbs thanks to evolution, but evolution didn't give us the ability to realise that we should all have equal rights and maybe try to not be scared of people who look different from us'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yes - complex, not complicated'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'meh, ive met too many people to believe that those big brains are being utilized on any kind of large scale.  most people just use their thumbs to scratch inside some orifice or other, and equal rights? not a pro-survival trait at the species level, so its hard to make an objective argument about it.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'also, different-looking people are still scary for good reason.  foreigners want to destroy my way of life, after all.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, so what I'm saying is, we've gone waaaaay beyong pro-sruvival traits'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'have we? i dont think so.  there will always be some number of traits that are not yet proven out, in the short term.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the more contact we have with people-who-look-different (foreigners) the more we realise it's a stupid thing to thing - in these days.. '
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'remember that 'survival' is not just biologically determined.  social success is also a significant issue :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well exactly, and surviving socially is way beyong any kind of evolution in the kind that spears and fires was'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'assume for the sake of argument that's true - its still a very new phenomenon, and so hasnt had a chance to prove out.  also, its probably a fragile situation - bow many acres of slightly poor rainfall would it take to make food-wars a thing again?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but that's not evolution in the physical sense'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nah, its just a different expression.  same motivation, same biology, interacting with different environmental factors '
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and?'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well so there's no relationship between than at being afraid of people who look different'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'still waitingu'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'there's no in-built evolutionary urge to fight off the foreigners'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'again, not true c.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe, Cil. We should just stay away from little North Sentinel Island.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: '_all_ living organisms, for as long as there have been two of them, have had to deal with competition - that kind of influence has lasting consequencees.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i got your two organisms right here'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm look I do think there is some deep seated desire to shoo away people who different, I've experienced it myself an awful lot, I just think that attributing it to evolution simply doesn't play out'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'xenophobia improves survival chances in a wide variety of circumstances. and has thus been selected for for a very long time - thats a very strong influence that, if it can be altered, will take quite a bit of doing.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and actually if anything, it's giving some excuse for people who act like that, as if it's in our genes. It's not in our genes, at all. It's in our culture'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you can argue about the particulars endlessly - but that doesnt change the fact that this part at least, exists - we can see it in action.'
T3/r7/2022-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'there is definitely no xenophobia gene'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'im not a big fan of excuses - the folks making them just arent very well-suited to their environments, and so should be selected againsst.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you hope.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'definitely there isn't one'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'genes don't even work anything like that'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the moment you put a word, any word, on a gene, it's not right'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'congratulations on completely decoding the entire genome of every living organism on earth and in its history. also, the environments of those organisms.  on the other hand, it is a fallacy to assume that genes are the only source of behavior :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well exactly'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, they are complicated little buggers.  self-interacting and prone to non-linear expressions ... nonetheless, theres alot in there.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, so complexity again, right?'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'complexity of expression, deriving from essentially simple principles.  'chaotic', aye.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the idea that a single gene would affect one thing, and only one thing, is completely absurd'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean if you're talking about blue eyes... wellllll ok, the idea that you're talking about how much a person would be fearful of people who seems different to them? it's just bonkers'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'we're talking about culture, not pysical evolution'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nah.  theres lots of those.  probably.  we can see some of them in action.  granted, there might be some interaction we arent aware of - but since noone can ever completely know what they dont know, thats as good as it gets.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i dont see any reason to draw that arbitrary distinction, c.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'hmm, i saw a case study on folks who dont feel fear.  i dont recall if that was thought to be a genetic issue, or not.  gonna have to see if i can find that thing again.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm, dunno - it seems to me genes determine, very, very largely our physical being'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the brain just come into being and then basically sucks up the world'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'biological organisms interact with their environments - which naturally, include other similar organisms.  social and biological evolution are inseparable, in nature.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so the way we think has very little to do with our genes'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'heh, neurology is such a young science, its not fair to say that.  the degree and manner of which brain structure inluences thought/behavior is not at all well established.  so far, the answer seems to be 'some, maybe alot'.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yep well I mean of course I can't disagree'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'our genes and our social environments both affect each organism, which in turn affects society and offspring - figuring out which bit is due to which influence is, at best, a difficult proposition.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but like, I meet someone, they look different to anyone I've met before, so I'm a little wary. That's natural, it's fine. But is that really because 100 thousand years ago I evolved to be wary of different looking things? it's just seems very doubtful. The brain is just insanely complex, and 20 years of experience and thinking and meeting people has shaped it. Not one or a couple of genes that somehow say "ooh watch out he's going to steal your cave"'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and I'm not being flippant at all, I'm awake at 4:11am becaue I love talking like this :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean I might just murder than muffin man in my cp list shortly, but... :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'based on previous experience, i would suggest that both of those influences are present - and trying to pick apart the exact mechanisms behind any give behavior? quite a project.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm maybe it's better to think that whatever leftover xenophobia or fear of others, we're capable of getting over'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'techincally true, but i wouldnt hold my breath - that is alot of generations of evolutionary trait-reinforcement.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I still fell like it's cultural, but actually I'd say that culture is far more powerful than genes when it comes to thinking, so yeah'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'mmm.  hard to test that sort of thing experimentally.  at least, in ways that get past the ethics review board :/'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well do you think the belief in gravity is genetic?'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'obviously I'm being silly - but you get what I mean'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'in part.  sub-marine creatures dont really need to worry about it much.  also, gravity is just one environmental factor, which turns out many organisms struggle to deal with when it changes.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'pretty much everything that shapes us these days is because of knowledge and culture. When I was lighting fires and you were throwing spears and we were both evolving according to survival of the fittest we also though the little lights in the sky were the souls of our ancestors'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'thats just a change in environmental factors - in modern first-world nations, food water and shelter are pretty easy to come by, so other factors would of course rise to prominence.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but survival of the fittest has really not mattered at all in modern times'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'if the recent trend towards food-scarcity and other resource limitations continue, we might get to see the old-school behavioral expressions come back.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'of course it has - you just arent accounting for the difference in environment.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well ok, that was a stupid thing to say, but you know what I mean.. I'm not saying that we don't carry over those evolutionary traits, just I really don't think that genes make much difference at all in the way we think'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'also, its still quite early in the process, so end-results are hard to come by.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'to which i reply, we collectively dont have enough real understanding of the interaction between genes, societies, and the rest of the world to be able to support that statement.  or any of its alternatives :/'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm well I'd say the opposite, almost - there's basically no evidence whatsoever that genes have some predictable affect on the way people think, at least when the thoughts become even slightly complex'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'there's evidence that overarching things like maybe stress levels or patience can be affected by genes - but that's not thinking - and a patient person could be xenophobic, or not xenophobic, so it's not genetic at all'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'heh, you might be surprised how many mutations have been linked to cognitive differences.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'granted, most of those tend towards negative consequences - but thats just entroy at work - 'improvement' is a very small subset of 'changes', of course.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no it's just underlying things. I mean If I'm more anxious than you ok, but I might be an extrovert because of it, or introverted because of it'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you seem to be dismissing some pretty significant cognitive influences.  and describing some pretty big changes, in an effort to show those changes dont happen...'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I don't mean to - I think it's goes back to complexity, like we said before'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'one person, with some large, genetically influenced cognitive state, might end up extremely studious, say - someone else, with that exact same genetic trait, in a different environment, might end up being troublesome, and hating school'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that is certainly something that can happen - there are so many factors that trying to isolate one experimentally is a ... non-trivial endeavor.  thus, any statement on the subject is either so general as to be useless, or so speculative as to be useless.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, so that's why I suppose I can't think of genes really having much influence on the sophisticated ways we think'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you cant know, so you assume one factor is overshadowed by the others? hmm.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean we came from roughly the same genes right? and I'm pretty sure that the people who turned off the debate channel after getting tired of us going on about it don't have a "oh for god's sake shut up" gene :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'only when you talk'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hey!!!!'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill giggles
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khonshu tickles Cilmarill.
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right ok complexity - that's where it is'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'in broad terms, yes - but of course, one of the largest benefits of a sexually reproducing species is the wide variety  of individual genetic assemblages...'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the interaction of all these things, over and over.. I suppose I just think of the brain as a sponge rather than something that's predetermined to act in a certain way'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and im pretty sure everyone else in here is just a slight variation on my old beer-frog bot script.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'oh, its definitely both.  probably.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'wait you have a script that hunts beer-frogs?'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'no, i wrote a script that advertises beer.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'it earned me about 3 xp on some mush or other before it got noticed :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'Biden said that US soldiers will see bravery of Ukrainian citizens when they are there... any idea what does it mean? :D '
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'his meds wore off?'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'hes having a stroke'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'another stroke*'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'could be sclerosis?'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'its dementia being offset by stem cell treatment'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'for a while now all us presidents get stem cells'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'yup dementia - not sclerosis'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'thats why they look so old after office'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They look so old after office because they're pretty damned old.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'just crack open a baby spine and drink baby'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'right but theyre lively and old while in office'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'with a steep decline'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't care if Biden needs a reminder to get up in the morning. He's better than the monster that preceded him. One man's opinion, anyway.'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'trump is hilarious'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i bet you go to stand up hours and act offended'
T3/r7/2022-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'JOKES!?>!?! Reported! im telling mommy'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just saying, FINALLY DON'T EVEN THINK! about moving on one single inch of NATO territory'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i just took a shit on nato territory'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'whatcha gonna do'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razor: 'good thing he didn't say that to any child 10 or under, they are completely incapable of not going at least a couple of inches into NATO territory just to see what you'll do.'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: '1 trillion dollars of destructive force!!!! MANY DAGGERS!'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'nato is trash'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'sorry their great reset isn't working'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill headbuts Khonshu in the belly
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'get out!'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razor: 'who let Don Jr on here?!'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill cleans Mot's shit into a poop bag and puts it into the NATO poop bin - naughty Mot
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'dont dis the great don'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'racist!'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill poops on Khonshu's race
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'its ok not to like Nato'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'especially if you take into account how many civilians they've killed over the years'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'thinking nato can be more effective, disliking the outcomes of nato intervention and of course disagreeing with nato decisions are ok. Dislike Nato itself or the idea of what Nato is supposed to be, is just an edgy position. '
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2022-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'this is the wrong channel for that kind of talk, k.  take it to uh ... sports? i guess?'
T3/r7/2022-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'is "gobbly gook" still an allowed phrase or is that something I should stop saying?'
T3/r7/2022-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'also, what about "the natives are getting restless" ? keep expecting our woke police to weigh in with some sage advice'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'gobblede-gook is hyphenated.  also yes, it was never a particularized slur, but rather an expression of distaste for foreign languages.  very versatile that way.'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: ''restless' is a dog-whistle term for 'identity-conscious' - it is considered a good sign, but not something you should be saying out loud.'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'ive never had 6000 nuclear weapons or my own country or been invaded so its hard for me to weigh in'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'if doing the right thing results in no life left on earth id rather they not'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that attitude is un-american, m.  blaring your worthless opinion at full volume is how its done round these parts :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'for what its worth, sterilizing the earth was never an option, even with all the nukes.  making it unpleasant for the people who survived the fall of civilization, thats do-able.'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'just giving doomers what they ask for in their own self loathing'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'heh, im sure theres a generational joke in there somewhere.  'baby doomers'.'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'probabl'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'its debate channel so I may not even mean what i say'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'the resulting dust clouds and tidal waves from a 10th of all nukes being exploded would block out the sun for weeks'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'what are you going to eat'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'were already in a perpetual food shortage'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) IAC DO Fiendish: 'some lovely cream of wheat'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'preppers'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the great thing about being the devil's advocate is that you dont have to register as a foreign agent :p'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'preppers usually have recessive genes so those genetic pools will fail after a few generations of breeding'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'people with a different political ideology?'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'what else you got'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'especially the ones who had herb gardens'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'actually I really got into this preppers tv show'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'I have a copy of voter records so I know who to eat'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and I was always going into the off-grid mode on Smins'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'canibalism causes trichonosis or w/e'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'no'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'neuroligical disorders will cause brain failure'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'only if you eat certain parts'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'from the parasites and high mercury content of the human body'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'the rest of the bodies I'll feed to my dogs '
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'you mean prions?'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'not sure im not analytical at all'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'you know what i meant. i read to much to get stuck on nomenclature'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'parasites aren't as much a concern in the first world'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'braisn only have so much ram'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'the first world countris will be the ones nuked'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'brains don't have any ram'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'theyre not gonna be dieing and be like oh god we have to take out canada'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'damn them and their moose and hockey'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'theyre gonna bomb all major first world countries'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'I mean i suppose knowing how north koreans survive starvation in camps would help some'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'your brain might not have ram'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'pay attention to who eats corn is all I'll say'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that's not how memory works'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: '6 callers ahead of us jimmy'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'you cant see the forest for the trees if you cant get past words bro'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'the purpose of a word or communication is to establish the idea behind the sound'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'not to be a dork'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'mot gets eaten first as a snack because the name reminds me of apple sauce'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'criss cross apple sauce'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'luckily for me i live in the USA so obesity prevails...'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'wrong channel for that, m.  try ... tech?'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the pc term is 'calorically enhanced', k.'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'breh im in iowa'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'theres only fat people'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'isn't iowa known for its corn?'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'kinda hoped it would be zombies not nukes. i can outrun almost everyone here while i smoke a cigarette'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'be the slowest least agile zombies possible'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'its feed corn'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'you'll have to compete with the meth heads for sustenance you know'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'if you eat feed corn assuming you dont get poisoned by the round up'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'youll create a nutritional defeciency'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'round up is harmless'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'itll take more nutrients from your body to process the corn than youd actually gain'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'thats what the CEO said'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i will give you as much as you want if you let me tape you eating it'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'theres an entire field behind my house'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'you'd have go guarantee viewership'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'make me a patreon too'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'its gonna be more of a fans only type of thing when u start pooping'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'or only fans whatever its called'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'I'm a man'
T3/r7/2022-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'only fans doesn't work that way'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'I have to notice in gq note 289093 that tinypotato completed the quest with 11 mobs to slay before any other participant killed something....'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'whats your question?'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'some people here have their life's goal to be the best in gqs'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'none. I note the extreme gap between the participants. Of course it causes some thought to come up. Anyway, I think such a gap is not healthy'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'not healthy as in "pro team basketball vs. amateur wheelchair team'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'that is not somethin you want to see '
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'some people just have it down really good, I don't mind so much'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I agree that the most fun you have is when you're against someone evenly matched'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but there's a big range, not just in gquests - I get a lot of fun out of simply trying to run away from people trying to pk me when I'm in hardcore :)'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'tht is not my slice of fun. telnet here vs. totally maxxed and bordering cpu executed gq completion there ... not my cup of tea'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah, it can be asurprising just how much all the scripts and things makes a difference'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'this way, it sure is in no way about who knows where to look nor about the quickest path'
T3/r7/2022-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'when I first started it was a bit overwhelmeing, almost like a tech competition - now I'm all hotkeys and s&d :)'