T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'I want to help my roommate, but his mental health issues are going to stop him from getting the job that he just started school for'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'I just don't know if I can enable the guy rn'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'khonshu is a fucking pussy'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'mad'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'yeah she's on some prince level good but nobody gives her credit'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'def taylor is amaze. i pissed o'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i pissed off someone by having them paint a house and i played her shit the whole week'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'chronos eats jalapenos and thongs'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'chronos eats all'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i think you are a bitch using gossip to start bullshit. here is the forum to debate that. you fucking git.'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'MECKTHAKEPTHU!!! ENGURII!! SPLENULATION!!!!!'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'we're working on will smith'
T3/r7/2022-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'again i do not recommend really reading anything on there, i put ancient sumerian religious texts into GPT-3 and had that write a blog'
T3/r7/2022-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'if reusing a condom would save 1 penguin, would you do it?'
T3/r7/2022-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so many easy jokes there, none of which I will attempt'
T3/r7/2022-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'edible condoms'
T3/r7/2022-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thumb Wars: 'someone is bored'
T3/r7/2022-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'penguins are also edible.  on the other hand, already freezing, so its not like its hard to 'save' them ... for later.'
T3/r7/2022-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 1337 H4x0r Fiendish: 'I bet they don't taste good'
T3/r7/2022-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i have it on good authority that they tast like chicken.'
T3/r7/2022-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'edible condoms, on the other hand - not great.  or you know - so im told.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'why books are black%white?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'why different characterd dont have different color text?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'the technology is there'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'i read a book recently that had the alien text in cursive'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'it was 2x easier to read'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'imo, all books should go colored. and fonted'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abig: 'I guess most authors/writers are not yet up to the new tech. They probably still think like terry pratchet to give DEATH SOMETHING SPECIAL'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xephinyr: 'Fuel, good idea.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'where to go to demand that change?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'btw. joking aside. that cursive text from the alien meant there was no need for things like "said the alien grumpily"'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'saves paper. saves forests'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'you people do care about the forests, don't you?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'by "you people" i meant bookworm-types'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think "said the alien grumpy" is imporant, said Cilmarill in a very considered way'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'yeah. but the alien was unable to express any .. impressions anyway'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'it was all implied by the message'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: '"but there's still some extra impression the reader might get from it", growled Cilmarill'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just playing :) I think I know what you mean, actually the lack of dialogue description is itself a very good way of conveying a certain 'alien-ness' :) I haven't read it though'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'it was Project Hail Mary'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'its ok'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so watching the news - Putin has lost his mind right? or just surrounded by a tiny few people who tell him bullshit, right?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so watching the news - Putin has lost his mind right? or just surrounded by a tiny few people who tell him bullshit, right?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oops'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'who did you believe when you lead a country of 44million that had a larger land mass than almost any other country'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'when an offset formally of your country decided to make oil deals wiht one of your largest deposits with america'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's such a shame, becuse Russia could be such a positive force for the whole planet'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'Youve never gone hungry'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'they stay broke because of the trainline that feeds their country to maintain such a huge land mass'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'dont eat for a few weeks then come back'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What's your point, Mot?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'my point on what'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well yes I can understand the infrastructure needs to be huge and is tricky, but at least push in the right direction'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'go hungry'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The war in Ukraine, I assumed. I was wrong?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'what about it'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'be specific or dont speak'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sorry. I was unaware that you run this channel.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'what is your bmi'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the point is that Russia could be a big positive force for the world - I don't really understand what you mean by saying go hungry'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What's the point you're trying to make about starving. Tie it to something. '
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'then i encourage you to read about russias first president and his trip to texas'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'instead of me doing some research, just say it'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'if youre intelligent i encourage you to study why russia maintains such a massive land mass'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well here we are, so explain it'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'no'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill thought this channel was named 'debate'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Menpehtyre: 'and that, officer, is when the fight started'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'they maintain it because they have it. look at canada. 90% live on the US border but they still have ppl all over it and they're not left to their own'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'dumb'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'they have such a huge land mass due to previous invasions and no geographic barriers'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'read then debate'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'canada?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'canada has the usa south of it and polar ice caps north of it'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'dumb'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'read'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right so to have a conversation with you I have to read a book first?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'one chick owns more land on this planet than any country does. '
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'before you debate something i would suggest you read several books'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'maybe you should learn how to not be such an irritating twat'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'that wouldnt serve me'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thumb Wars enthusiastically high-fives Cilmarill!
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'also, ppeople live everywhere in candada. the majority live on the border for economic reasons. not unlike russia that groups people where it's most benefitial or the whole work and everyone everywhere.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I read plenty of books, and have conversations with people all the time, and I don't give a shit about your intelligence, but you're just trying to make me feel stupid'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'im not trying to do anything'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'so being an irritating twat serves you because you can tell ppl to read books to avoid the actual point?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'enjoy your mcdonalds'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'are you resorting to insults because you have no argument'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i promise you've had more mcdonalds than me in the last 5 years. under the assumption you've been to one'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'https://www.rbth.com/history/330753-which-countries-dared-to-invade-russia'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'start here'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'e-h'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'Massive invasions and destruction their culture over all recorded history'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Torkin buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, maybe we can back up a little. Not, you mentioned starvation a few times. Could you tie it to whatever larger point you're trying to make. Or even just state clearly what larger point you're trying to make?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i'll leave. i didn't wanna interupt ppl making you look wrong. i just wanted to point out that canada is bigger, and less fucked than russia. prob kuz they have a parlamentary monarchy and not a bullshit dictatorship.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'there is no wrong or right in being human'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'no, that's where you're wrong'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, no, Nesamdoom. Canada is definitely less fucked than Russia, but not bigger. In fact the US and Canada combined are still smaller than Russia'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Russia is one big-ass place. And the majority of it is Siberia.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'aww siberia, the texas of the soviet union'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'texas almost as big as ussr on my map, probably the right interpolation'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Siberia is more like the 20 Texas's of Russia. It's genuinely vast.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'rhavage do you mean actual russia or the subsidiaries combined? Asian geography is not a strong suit of mine but I know canada is friggin huge'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Forgive the miles (vs km) but Siberia is 5.1 million of Russia's 6.6 million sq miles. Zowie.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I mean actual Russia, Nes.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'the -stans are relatively tiny, i see rhavage's point'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'next time someone tells me they're from siberia, i'll ask them to clarify which part'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahahahhaha, Mush :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i really thought it was mostly the blocs and stuff that made up everything. but then i guess i also don't know which parts are russia and what not or how it's section on the map compares. thanks'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'google type in lake baikal on google maps and zoom out...russia's BIGLY'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Depends on the 'stan.' Turkmenistan is kind of small, I think, but Khazakstan and Uzbekistan are quite large. I know that Khazakstan is more than a million sq mi'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'the old Soviet Union was mind-bogglingly vast, well over 8 million sq mi'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'ha i grew up with a ussr globe'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Russia is the biggest country by area, followed by Canada (Antartica is bigger than Canada, but it is not a country). Kazakhstan is huge, but it's an anomaly.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'what about africa?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'by the time i was in my teens we were trying to make the middle east the villians in movies'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep in mind that a lot of Russia and Canada are uninhabited (and some of it is uninhabitABLE) land because they're frozen deserts.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Africa is not a country...'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'wait, Africa is not a country??'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill tickles Yuna
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Africa, of course, is a continent. But it also is vast. 10 or 11 million sq miles, if I recall correctly. Lemme dbl check...'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SonnyQuinn: 'continent'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'funny thing is in norther canada one day a couple years ago they had better weather than central US when I looked and I was so mad at the midwest for sucking so much '
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '11,730,000 sq miles'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'africa is so many countries it doesn't know how many it is sometimes'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe in terms of largest continents, it's Asia, then Europe, then maybe North America? So Africa would be maybe 4th?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'lol i know, apparently there's some recent book "Africa is not a country" meanwhile Google suggests related searches are "is african a continent?" "what is africa's real name"'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Yuna. Asia then Africa'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'so youre saying that russia has an absurd land mass to maintain and putin is charged with maintaining its economy and his largest export is being jepordized by ukraine owning one of the world largets deposits of natural gas'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I misremembered. I was getting other metric confused. I think it was number of countries or something.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i could never justify murdering my brother'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'australia has to be pretty far up on country size tho right? It''
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently Europe is tiny.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'more disconcerting, Google says the answer to "is African a continent" is "yes"'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'This is obsence and nonsensical. but if you had to justify the act'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Australia is, like, 8th or something'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I've always wondered how those Europeans managed to get themselves called a continent, since they're on the very same land mass as what we call Asia.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'i would right russia before your sweaty obese body could get out of the chair. but i wouldnt do it. just like the us wont'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Africa IS a continent...'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pharaoh Mot: 'because they see the sense behind it'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'Eurasia was always at war with oceania'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hey! have you never played the boardgame Risk?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'also scorched earth mostly but like yea. it's a big country, where most ppl live on the beach and get to call ppl cunts... i'm not jealous... i'm jealous '
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: '"African" is NOT a continent :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'unless you say the African continent'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'someone tried telling me America is a continent, singular.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Google is smart enough to spell check you. You may have Googled "Is African a continent" but the question listed in the results was "Is Africa a continent".'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depending on where you're from, America may be considered a single continent.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Same with Eurasia'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'no, you're wrong! i googled "africa is not a country book" which was the book i referenced, then google says People also ask and the box clearly shows is African a cotinent"'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'Eurasia is all connected. grouping chucks of connected stuff seems weird. N and S America are seperate enough. we still say central america as our version of eurasia'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Eurasia *is* a single continent. It's one unbroken land mass.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'we're probably hurtling toward 3, maybe 4 continents in the future anyway'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Except that Central America is part of North America'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Americas are also all connected (by an isthmus).'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hurtling. Love it :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'central america combines them at the connective bit'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'central - the red-headed stepchild '
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's just the southern part of N America'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Africa is also joined by Asia by a tiny land bridge.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'ok look, so clearly you lot haven't, but I've played Risk, and it's definitely north and south America'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i have a red headed stepchild and she is great. obviously she is evil and i don't go to sleep without locking a door kuz i wanna wake up with my soul, but i still sorta love her'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So some countries consider Afro-Eurasia as a single continent.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'which countries view it that way?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'afroeurasia is fucked too. just kuz ya can easily sail to somewhere doesn't make it the same place'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dunno, I didn't keep track. I might also be misremembering and some were only suggesting it be viewed as a single continent but no country has yet adopted such a view.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'it sounds plausible for sure, maybe relating to religious history'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'is the midddle east considered africa or asian?'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'ooo interesting, u ask an irani they will say they are european'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some view the Middle East as its own thing, some view it as part of Asia. I don't think many view it as Africa.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i need to look at maps more. I can pick cities from blank sat photos in some places but have no clue about most the world'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'egypt is africa but is still viewed as mid east'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but that's just part of the Middle East that also happens to be located in Africa, not the Middle East as a whole.'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nesamdoom: 'i've only met one egyptian but that dude was cool af'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. I would be very surprised to learn that an Irani regarded himself as European. A Turk, on the other hand...'
T3/r7/2022-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like, Greenland is part of Denmark but situated in North America.'
T3/r7/2022-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Untergang: 'polarization is stupid in politics. being pro choice or anti abortion are neither encompassing of the varied opinions. but everything is treated as a choice like that and its stupid. why can't i have the opinion that killing people that are fighting a murder is wrong but let people take death sentence rather than spend life in prison? '
T3/r7/2022-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'because nuance is dead, long live the soundbite!'
T3/r7/2022-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'a trade 1 gallon ("#1") holds approximately .65 liquid gallons'
T3/r7/2022-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'noone trades in gallons, they are too expensive in today's money.'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'ww3.'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'so close'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'WWE'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'so real'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'yesterday, when i was almost asleep'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'i saw the vision of a nuke flash'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'made my eyes hurt. psychologically'
T3/r7/2022-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pump the Fuel: 'it was weird. so real'
T3/r7/2022-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'shit like that is why i wont do two shows a night anymore. i wont, i wont do it.'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'So it's very interesting that there is a media blackout on the president's son rn'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'all politicians are crooks. change my mind.'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'literally you cannot look up where hunter biden is or what he does'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [DEMON] Khadaji: 'i dont see a media blackout, a google search shows billions of news articles'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'just pointing it out. You cannot find ANY information on where he is or what he's doing'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'there's talk about him, but the man himself is a ghost. where is the president's son?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'i'll give 200qp to whoever tells me where hunter biden is or what his job is'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'probably smoking meth out of a hookers bum?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'laying low is an old but proven strategy...'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'it's the president's son. we all knew where chelsea was in the 90s, we had a good idea what the bush twins did'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'where is he? you literally can't google it. or his job'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'imagine caring about a poltiicians kid'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'might as well start googling what happened to "sock" the clintons cat'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saturnian: 'imagine not caring about politicians'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'no need to imagine its literally the sane path to take'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'caring about politicians is like picking your favorite planet and then arguing about it'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'wHaT hApPeNeD tO pLuTo???'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'bah, I check up the news and I get angry'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just saying (I think I'm allowed to swear here, right?) FUCKING Russians what on earth are they doing?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I've started checking the news less, think my mental health is better for it and I'd rather have that than be well informed'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think you're probably right, but I mean, it's actually happening though'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'still'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I remember someone on debate giving me the whole "fake news" thing before it all started'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'don't understand those people'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'what do you get from denying reality?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I mean Russian state media is still denying that civilians, even children, haven't died, and that they never fire on civilian targets'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'we all thought Trump was the king of lying in the media but oooh, guess what, he was the pupil not the teacher'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Putin is a real piece of work'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'he really is! and it's scary as he's just digging a deeper and deeper hole'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'maybe it sounds a bit tin foil hat, but honestly the more I see things, the more I realise basically, you just have to control the media. Which, in a non tin foil way, actually makes me feel good - just keep media, social included, free, and then idiots with too much power can wield it less dangerously'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: 'media has to be accountable for false information'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'but who watches the watchmen?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'oh i know this one...the blue guy'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well that's the point, as long as it's free, then sense gets through - social media is a pain, echo chamber, etc, but the problems really only happen when a small number of people get to decide'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'dr. manhattan'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: 'what do you mean free'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'as in say what you like'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: 'twitter is free and an echo chamber'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'If the press is free is it also free to say things that are false?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if you say something stupid, then someone else gets to say "hey that was stupid"'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'Twitter is a cesspit'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: 'that's how you end up with echo chambers'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah, false things will be said, but ultimately they will also be called out'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's all fine'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: '"I'm bipolar" - here's 50 likes cuz who's gonna call someone that's mentally ill a liar'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'called out and then blocked'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: 'they aren't, that's how you end up with echo chambers'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and if people believe the false things, ok fine - that's much better than some overarching power deciding on what things should or shouldn't be said'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'is that your opinion about vaccine effectiveness?'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'Rupert Murdoch has had an enourmous influence on the world thanks to controling the press'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah I get the echo chamber thing, and it's totally an issue, but not nearly so bad an issue as a small number of people deciding what can or can not be said'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TrEz: 'can you give an example'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'well I'm glad Elon's making a principled stand for people's rights...because 'oppressed' is first thig comes to mind when I think of him'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right yeah exactly, Murdoch - I didn't even know about all of that until this f'ing Russian invasian made me look into media control'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'erm Rupert Murdoch controlled the Sun newspaper in the UK, and basically decided like 4 Elections in a row'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'he also owns the Times and the news of the world before it went away'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'between the sun and the times he controls what an enourmous % of the UK read every day'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I watched a documentary about him, and he was very directed at buying out firstly the popular papers or news outlets, and then the ones that were viewed as being serious, and was always very prescriptive about what they put out'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'for our american friends, in the UK there are a lot of regulations on what can be said on TV so our news channels are less polarised than yours but are newspapers are very polarised'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so I'll take a bit of cancelling and echo chamber over the lack of freedom of expression in media any day'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill loves the BBC
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'they aren't perfect but they could be worse'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'for clarifcation - since I've just found out it's neccessary - BBC = British Broadcasting Corporation'
T3/r7/2022-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Guy of Gisbourne raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2022-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is the wrong channel for this bullshit.'
T3/r7/2022-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan'
T3/r7/2022-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Summoner Yuna was caught! Run! Channel police monitor SNEAKER Mushambo is after you next!
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just read this little chestnut on FB (think Florida schools): Gay kids read thousands of books about straight characters, yet they still grow up gay. But y'all are worried that if your son, Billy, reads just one book where a penguin has two dads, he's going to wake up the next day and ask Brad to the prom.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'I was unimpressed with excerpts of the supposedly racist math textbooks'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Evine: 'how many gay kids end up straight because of culture? That could make a difference, for example, because of the low population of gay people, perhaps .1% is low, but .1% straight becoming gay is pretty significant lol'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I still haven't seen an excerpt of what they found objectionable'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No worries, Evine. Nobody "becomes" gay.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Evine: 'i disagree....if people can force you to be straight, they can force you to be gay :D'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'if I was interpreting the images correctly, it MAY have been that they were teaching kids how to analyze statistical distributions, with the example chart data being of "racist tendencies"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nobody becomes straight, either. You can be forced to act straight, but your innards know the truth.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'it wasnt even worded that exactly, but the data was suggestive of the wild and crazy notion that some people are semi-discriminatory'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'oh, brother'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'nothing about "Percent of white people who wish they could own slaves"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'but there was also some reference that the textbooks reflected Common Core, which I don't really know anything about other than that it may or may not be similar to "new math"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'in which case, I'd strike that textbook too :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) No More Wars: 'People dont get to pick what they are. Thinking its a choice is offensive and just flat out wrong.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can assure you (or anybody else, for that matter) that at no time did my sexual preference come to a vote. I made no decision at all. The girl down suddenly looked different than ever before. And better.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Evine: 'true Rhavage :D but where do you cross the line between being forced to act straight and actually being straight? I mean if you're forced to your entire life, pretty depressing'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Evine. Extremely depressing. A condition that I imagine most gay people lived with for their entire lives. Times have changed.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'girl down the street, I meant'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Evine: 'likewise, what about the opposite side? I'm not saying it's the case now, but what if it became the norm to be cool if gay, or people start forcing straight people to being gay? For example, if there's a government subsidy for individuals indicating gay, i would imagine poor people might be more likely to indicate that. Then you get people being forced to act gay, lol equally as bad as people being forced to pretend to be straight. I think right now people are on the edge about how their kids are being influenced, but you can't really isolate your kid from the world'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheesh Kabob: 'you should try to get that sci fi story published'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fyzzy Xyzzy: 'whose business is it, really, aside from the people involved?  I mean, it's a crime to sexual assaault someone, regardless if you're straight or gay.  I'd worry more about exposing children to assholes.. Assholes are a far more worrisome type than straights or gays.  It seems to me that if you solve the asshole issue, the gay/straight thing kind of becomes a non-issue anyways.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: '"Election police force" has that nice fascist ring to it'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'lol'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'its obviously there to enforce...'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'erm'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khonshu: 'i mean protect our "democracy"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'this guy left the "unless your brown" part out of his statement "yo ushould have confidence that your cvote counts in the state of florida"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the problem with solving the asshole issue is that then the population would be too low to sustain our technological civilization.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think you've mixed up assholes with good people who work hard for a living'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'no, they mix pretty nearly indiscriminately.  also, you seem to be operating under the false assumption that those are two separate categories.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'ok so you're just trolling - I am an easy troll btw :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'trolling occurs in many layers - the truest troll is, at its heart, a simple statement of profound truth - wrapped in enough layers of misdirection, snark, irony, and 'humor' to protect its fragile self from exposure to the willing ignorants, the oblivious fools, and of course - the indiscriminate haters.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: '"no, they mix pretty nearly indiscriminately."'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that being said, i was either trolling or clearly and simply stating a true opinion - and if you think about it hard enough to decide which it was, that might get you close to the point.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'actually, that was not even good enough to troll me, so pretty bad :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and yet, you are engaging.  all part of my master plan.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that hard working people are arseholes?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'some of them yes'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I told you I was an easy troll :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'some of everyone are arseholes'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the categories of 'good hard working people' and 'assholes' are not mutually distinct.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'tbh the jury's still out on you'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that is pretty much what i was going for, yes.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'd say the percentage of arsehole increases as you climb the ladder of "not having to work hard"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and I don't mean "not working hard" I mean "not having to work hard"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'hardly a surprise.  there is a rather high percentage of sociopaths at the very top of corporate/political power structures - that thing you noticed? another consequence of the underlying phenomenon.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'i dunno my last job was pretty much 90% assholes'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i have heard, tho i cant comment on the statement's accuracy, that several of the assholes i work with are decent in other contexts - i will, naturally, never know, because why would i want to spend any more time with those assholes?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'I feel this is true i think a lot of people take work as a compitition'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'but outside of work its fun time and not having to impress a boss so more chill i suppose.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well if we agree that arse/assholes is people who have less care for others'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'oh, if only, z.  pretty much everyone i work with would benefit from that kind of positive motivation.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'no reading, no listening, no thinking, and for fuck's sake no fixing of the dumb, because why would anyone bother?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well so then I'd say again, I think there's less arsehole among people who have to work hard for a living'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: '... you sound alot like someone who has never worked with his hands, c.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I've never worked'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pretty much all of the ones i have met are so aggressively inconsiderate that outright hostility might be an improvement.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'My last job had a lot of heat so that added to the attitude of everyone i suppose.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'heavy lifting and other stuff that made people uncomfortable so lots just took it out on whoever was around them.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'were a few that were ok though'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm sounds like humans are just trying to put other down then'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'I just try to find the ones that arnt and stick with them.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'people suck, c.  most of them? not in the good way.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that's not a nice thought'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think the underlying, driving force of humanity is that we should, if we can, be nice to each other'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'Wish more felt that way'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and in adversity, we pull together - so, people with no adversity, money, power, whatever, give less of a shit'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'very few people are willing to do the thinking necesesary to consider the question, c.  let alone reach that conclusion.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zathon: 'Being selfish is kind of built into humans as a survival tactic i feel.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'oh sure, it is a proven pro-survival characteristic.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'dunno - I think it's actually more natural to take care of each other, and it's culture that tries, and fails, to remove it from us'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that is also a proven pro-survival characteristic, c.    alas, those two principles are in tension, and provide benefits to slightly different groups, under slightly different circumstances.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah, so, we take care of those close to us, and sometimes that means we have to take advantage of those that aren't'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'yet another pro-survival trait - under some circumstances.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the fact that all of these are so successful is why they are conserved.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but the underlying thing is to take care of each other, that's what's at the bottom'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nah, whether or not it is pro- or contra- survival is dependent upon circumstances.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and of course, you also have to consider pro- or contra- /to whom/.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think taking care of each other is 100% built into us, it's just that it's easy to "get ahead" if you don't give a shit'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'so what you are saying is, some individuals benefit from behaving contrary to the behavior of others ... which pretty well restates my position :p'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yep - well I did say agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's like what we need is for most people to care, but for a few people to not give a shit'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that is a pro-survival strategy for the species as a whole, yes.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'which sound almost precisely like the ideal tribe 100 thousand years ago - not that I agree very much with evolutionary psychology'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'if you look at the core principles, its pretty hard to disagree with 'evolutionary psychology' - most people actually disagree with mis-applications of it.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'but yes, one of the _very_ few universally pro-survival traits is _variety_.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I just mean, evolution is cultural now'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'a species with lots of variation is more likely to be, at least in part, suited to dealing with a new environment.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'sure, sure, culture, psychology, organisms, all interact - and thus, each is part of the environment that the others may, or may not, be well-adapted to.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'all through human history populations have been driven by the need to have more than other populations, and it just happens that the best people to make that happen are people who don't care about the other population, that stands to reason'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'mmhmm.  maximing availability of resources is a pro-survival trait.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and that runs all the way down'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'to your group.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and also to the species as a whole, since one sub-group that becomes more proficient at obtaining/exploiting resources tends to spread that trait to the rest of the species.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right down to the arsehole manager you might have, who, because of feeling this same cultural instinct, thinks that it's ok to to not be nice, and also themselves is probably taking revenge on people who made them feel like shit at some point too'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that is certainly one potential expression.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, so I get the evolutionary thing, but now it's just boiled down to "oh I better hurt this thing so I get more"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'which is, to be sure, an unpleasant experience for the folks who have to deal with it.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'still though, I think that humans really, if you just relax and feel your true nature, we know that actually you get more if you work together, and care for each other'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'bloody hell I think I'm going to ascend in a minute :))))'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'did you put something in my tea? :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nope, still gotta disagree - you are ascribing a _very_ high level of awareness to people who just ... dont ... go there.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm not saying that people are aware'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but there's an overriding sense through all of human culture that "we should be nice" it's what all religions are based on, regardless of how it manifests, and it's not a trivial thing, like disney movies and stuff, it's a deeply felt, solid, and immovable force of human nature'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you did, you just didnt notice - 'relax and feel your true nature' requires a degree of self-reflection that most people just never bother with.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: '... pretty sure you havent looked at many religions, if you believe that.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and of course, there is no such thing as 'a religion' without 'the people who claim to follow it' - which includes, i am sure, some mix of decent folk and, to bring it back to where we started, assholes.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'name me one religion that doesn't have "just be nice to each other" as it's fundamental principle'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'to be fair, most of them seem to have died horribly - but there is also a pretty significant difference between 'be nice to each other' and 'be nice to the non-believers'.  that last is a fairly new development.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm not a religious person btw - at least I don't follow any religion'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'right, I agree - but that's not the religion itself, it's just arseholes using it as an excuse'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'trying to discuss a social construct independently of the people of whom it is comprised is an exercise in futility.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'all the religious wars were because people needed a reason to kill each other, not a single time were they because they were being religious'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah, I agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but let's just take one - wars in the name of christianity.. so, do you think Jesus would take a sword to someone?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i have only heard opinions like that from people who focussed on post-roman european history - to which i usually reply, 'nah, they didnt need an excuse'.  not that that discussion goes anywhere, of course.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'from what i hear, he had a preference for whips.  having met a money-changer or two, i can definitely sympathize.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'another, Muhammad - you think he'd have slayed thousands to make people understand what he's saying rather than just saying it?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'to which i reply, what difference does it make what he said, if people dont bother to listen?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the bible wasn't even written till like 500 years (I think) after Jesus' apparent death - it was a construct of human culture and need'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well yeah, I agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i have met very, very few people over the years who were really willing to try and understand their own religions, in context.  most people just dont bother - intelectual laziness is a pro-survival trait, you see.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but what I mean is, why is that people feel a sense of guilt when they're bad?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean, not all people'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but generally, being bad is a thing'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that's why we have laws'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'pretty much all of law is a (shit) attempt to say "oi! don't be bad to each other!"'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'conscience is a social construct, and a pro-survival trait at the community and species level - and a lack of it, in some members, is a pro-survival trait to those individuals and also to the community/species.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'that is a pretty soft way of looking at it, but sure.  its a defensible position.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'try analysing 'the law' from a different prespective tho, see what comes of it - assume that most laws are intended to benefit the lawmakers, rather than the governed.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and of course, you will need to compare/contrast democracies with every other form of government - democracies obscure the difference between 'governed' and 'government' :/'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm, well I'm being blunt really - I'm not talking about parking fines and stuff, I'm saying murder, theft - and obviously those pop up in religion all the time'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'just different expressions of the same core principles.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean in the extreme case - if anyone think that murdering someone is ok everyone would think they're mad - I'm not saying that simply not murdering someone is the same as being nice, but you have to say that our entire society is built on the idea that we should try to limit people being horrible'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'not that it's very successul :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but we're getting there?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'in my experience, a small portion of governance is directed towards 'making the world better, or at least not worse' and the rest is about priveleging one group over another.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Syntax: ''people being horrible' is subjective'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'but yes, a species which routinely destroys its own members is exhibiting contra-survival behavior.  they have existed, but didnt last long.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well yes, I'm just exaggerating - like murder, assault, theft, etc'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'you arent wrong, s.  thats why i tend to focus on pro- and contra- survival as a metric, rather than things like 'nice vs. horrible', and such.  it also neatly avoids getting derailed by moral arguments.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'dunno - it's generally the truth that people think we shouldn't be *really* horrible to each other, but yeah I get it, it's also the case that we can be habitually horrible and it's ok'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but that was where we started, right? so people with more money and power are more horrible, because they can get away with it, but more importantly because they don't rely so much on other people, and so they lose the instrinsic human element which is that we have to take care of each other'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pretty much unavoidable, really - that situation arises from the interaction of several conditionally pro- survival traits.  and of course, you cant forget the psychology involved - the difference between 'how we treat people' and 'how we treat foreign devils who obviously arent people' is a pretty big divide.  and operates at pretty nearly every level, from 'some other family' to 'some other nation'.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i would say rather that it is less a question of opportunity than that the traits that enable a rise to power are also the traits that encourage asshole-ery.  '
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'strictly speaking, it is possible for nice folks to rise to power, it just requires the cooperation of larger groups of people - and is thus harder to manage.  a single self-serving individual is much easier to find than a cohesive group.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm yes, but I think it's a lot to do with an every decreasing circle of more and more powerful people keeping other people outside the circle'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'sounds a bit extreme, I'm not saying they're bad, just, imagine if you grow up in that environment'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I do think there's an instinct to keep yourself in that circle, though I've no experience of it myself :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'de-prioritizing your own benefit is usually a contra-survival trait, yes.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean I agree, it really is just human nature'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I just think that it's also human nature to take care of those close to you, and actually that's what really underpins everything'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: ''close to you' is a very flexible category.  and yes, very nearly a universally pro-survival trait.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well that's the center of it, I think'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'like, your close family, you'd be willing to compromise your own morals to protect them'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'then, a little further out, your wider family and friends, you don't take care of them so much'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'keep going, and then, the children in hothouse workshops, or just being murdered - we care, but you're not going out there to protect them are you?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and that's fine'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pretty much.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so, if you grow up as a president's daughter, you care about what's around you just the same, and that's fine'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'who grew up as a presidents daughter?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'i havent been paying attention :( sorry'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Gaury.
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'sorry, stupid example :) I just mean, if you grow up in a rich a very privaledged family'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'gotchya'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but, though I have no problem with you acting privaledged, I do think that you will grow up caring less about people who are less privaledged'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'does that prohibit poking others with a cane?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'd poke you with a cane if you were a starving toad on the pavement ;)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i would say its less about privelege and more about 'not a part of the local in-group', but yes, that works out to more or less the same thing.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it would be the defining image in my successful campaign to be prime minister :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think it is the same thing'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'there's circles of influence, and it's ok, I just think the smaller the circle gets, the less people care about the other circles'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'strangely, the people in the big circles adulate the people in the little ones and maintain the idea that they're somehow better people - which in turn maintains the idea in the mind of the people in the little circles that they actually are better'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i would say 'closer' rather than 'smaller', but yeah pretty much.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm going to get banned for socialism in about 2 minutes :))'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'dont get me started on socialism'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'in my experience, what you describe is a deliberate attempt to appeal to folks who would normally be too focussed on their own little group to care much about the one doing the talking.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'noone gets cancelled for being a socialist anymore - its the socialists who do the cancelling  these days.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh you've no idea how much I want to get you started on socialism, Gaury :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'please dont.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I mean I don't mind, it's just human nature, but it's this desire to be bigger, better, than other people'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'personally, I quite like the feeling of just staying small'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I get it, you have to have people who push and who don't give much of a shit, and weirdly the way we all work means that these people pull economies and society onwards'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's like when Gaury gives me a drag - I'm the socialist and he's the capitalist ;P'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'i can mathematically prove why small scale communes work, and why large scale economies dont'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'ive never dragged you for profit like a true capitalist though :/'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'b/c the larger the cooperative venture the greater incentive to cheat ?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'thats a large part of it, but not even the point...no'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'also, it's harder to punish people with sticks '
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'its more to do with the value of the money relatively'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but you can't remove inequality'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you kill 10 things with just a dirty look, it takes me 20 potions'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'the value of a currency is a reflection of inequality, both internal and external'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I just have an instinct that this big fight to be bigger than someone next to us is both natural and difficult to manage'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'am i allowed to swear on this channel? something tells me no...'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'imo, should be able to...'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'fuck!'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: '*waits for consequences*'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gaury wibbles threateningly.
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'ive had enough warnings, i figured id ask :P'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think I'm still not in jail?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'consider me your mine canary :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'im a canary?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'There is no debate social.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill giggles - I'm the canary! I'm still alive!
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I do think money and power is a corrupting influence'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'help channels contains the answer.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and that it's ok'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'disagree.  money and power dont corrupt, they enhance and expose character traits.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I don't mean one or the other, I think it's an interaction'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if you're capable of corruption, then you'll naturally be more capable in places where corruption is neccessary'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'tell me how being corrupt doesnt offer an incentive to be more corrupt...'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I could go for lots of money. Don't have much interest in power''
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'till you have it'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'so it's kind of like a boyancy thing, and that's what makes the higher levels of power and money both more selfish, and more corrupt'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'a generous and kindly person, who gains wealth or social/political influence, will tend towards greater generosity and kindness.  whereas a jerk will become more jerk-like.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah totally, it's like a viscious circle'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Gaury. Just give me the money. It's not power I want, it's the independence money can buy.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill steals all of Rhavage's money - ha!!
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'alas, it is easier to amass wealth/power by being a selfish asshole than by being nice.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'alright you can have the money if you can have the power. now what?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm idependence money is a lot less than power money'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Now what? I don't have to save up for a vacation to, say, Tahiti. And I stay as long as I like.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'no one said anything about them being independant of mutually exclusive...'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm well isn't the issue - is it possible to arrange things so that everyone could afford a holiday in Tahiti without working themselves to the bone?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'or....fk. ok afk weed and smoke. we can talk a bit more i guess but i dont think anyone here is making very sound or valid arguments with substance'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'or even afford it at all'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'it is, in the strictest sense, possible, g.  however, it would require a large number of people to behave in ways they are not inclined to behave.  thus, extremely unlikely.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yep, I agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'i traded an iphone 4g yesterday to a hutterite for 5 chickens and 3 sacks of potatos'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'i bought this 4g for 20 bucks'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'thus, when people get more money, they increase their desire to keep more of it'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'Gaury are you saying you're not stoned yet?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'no brb, afk weed.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, money is a very nice thing to have. Money is independence if you know enough to use it for that.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'we were talking before (well I was I suppose) about being small'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yes, I get it, I'm a halfling, etc'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What about being small?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'point being - I think it's better, instead of needing to get more money, but to need less of it'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Unless you'd like a jet ski. '
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'Guary was going to prove, mathematically, that this was possible for all of us, but now he's going to get wasted instead :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just as well. I wouldn't understand the math anyway.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec flutters his wings gently.  Clearly, it's good to be a Sprite!
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well jet skis would cost so much if they weren't priced so high that the people who owned the jet ski company shares couldn't sit on their backsides and live in a mansion because of their jet ski share profits'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'erm wouldn't cost so much'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yeltazig: 'get wasted? weed does not make you wasted. I dont think it even makes me high any more'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill checks Yeltazig's eyes with a tiny torch
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Very true, Cil. But I'd still like to afford a jet ski.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'without that profit margin, the jetski would exist as a very low-availability item, if at all.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah :) that's really what it boils down to - how is it now? what do I want? I know, it's nice to imagine though'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'sorry brb, i have to write my house mate a passive agressive note'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh crap - the flat earth one?'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'the evicted flat earth one? yes.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'no, there arent two.'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'ok note done :) '
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if there were two then they could conduct an experiment to un-prove themselves'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'ive thought about that :P'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'i was offered scholarships to NHH in norway and LSE in london....shoulda taken them :P'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'for a graduate degree*'
T3/r7/2022-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you'd still have ended up in a mud arguing for socialism, and I'd still be waving Gaury banners'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'seems short-sighted (to a dunce like me :) to try and restrict public education to migrants children, no? Shouldn't hope be to train next generation of workforce, so they can be productive members of society instead of turning to life of crime ?'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'no counterpoint means I've automatically won this debate, yay me!'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SNEAKER Mushambo dares disturb the universe!
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'my opinion is that due to late-stage capitalism and technological advancements we need less people working and more people spending which means basic income so their education level doesnt matter. There will always be those who pursue it despite its cost but if you keep it available or possible via achievement or competition then you will have enough well educated people coming in  '
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'what is the difference between 'late-stage capitalism' and 'early-stage communism'?'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Goose Xaeris: 'accumulation of wealth in the 0.001%'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'they are polar opposites'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'is cronyism inherent in all?'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Goose Xaeris: 'when an inherent scarcity exists, cronyism and nepotism automatically fall out and exist. There's an inherent need to "protect the tribe" and that leads to people engratiating themselves to others to ensure they are part of the tribe, or bringing those in and insulating them.'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i'm still pretty surprised my college never rescinded my econ degree for being ardent supporter of occupy wall street lol'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'so what system is in the US, is it more towards communism or more towards capitalism?'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'crony capitalism?'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Goose Xaeris: 'It's neo-capitalism. It's nowhere near communism or any sort of socialist scenario. It has socialist programs (which shocks americans), but neo-capitalists love to defund because it pushes the cost to people, rather than look for any EOS.'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'more towards capitalism imo since communism is way off what america has, socialist ideologies? sure and i think socialism and capitalism hybrid would do well here'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'lot of tragedy of the commons in america, privatized benefits (hoarding) with publicly shared costs'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Goose Xaeris: 'I calculated it this morning; An american making the same as I do pays more federal taxes than I do in Canada.'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'huh, I always thought that when government 'steal' your money this is communism, but when private 'investor' it is capitalism... :p'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'so many things to learn'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'oh no its a libertarian'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'im outta here'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Goose Xaeris: 'Libertarianism is conservatism for poor people.'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'ayn rand is "philosophy" for selfish nitwits'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Count Zensch: 'I'm non-educated fool, not a liberterian :) '
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'pretty sure those are the same'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i usually respond with "that's cute" when someone says they're libertarian'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Count Zensch nods at Guy of Gisbourne.
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'only a sith deals in absolutes ... or more accurately, siths usually deal in absolutes virtually exclusively'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I love that "only a sith deal in absolutes" has the word only in it'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'lol i wonder if the writer was aware :P'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'woulda been nice if the quote was said by someone who turned out to be a sith '
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'who said it? was it yoda?'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'maybe? '
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Guy of Gisbourne: 'I guess he wouldn't have said it like that to be fair'
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'super powerful jedi i am , yet hard is english '
T3/r7/2022-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'how soon until Fauci eats his words? I give it til Fall TOPS'
T3/r7/2022-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'there's a lot of "fun" data in here :) https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2022/04/26144616/2204148_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_SH.pdf'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i am shocked, SHOCKED to learn that companies are lying about how much of their price increases are actually due to structural reasons'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: '"juicing profits by passing on higher-than-needed price increases under the cover of inflation, war and supply chain squeezes"'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'wtf is higher than needed'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'acceptable profit seeking duh'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'their whole purpose is to charge you as much as you will pay before you buy from someone else'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'also, Glen Taylor Roasts Animals Alive'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the worst thing is that people ever imagine that public companies will ever do anything but'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'all bank adverts here are trying to convince you that they're part of the family or something, that they're with you all the way'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'last US president to exert price controls was Dick Nixon, interesting'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'what's considered proper use these days? "climate change" or "global warming"'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'climate change, I think'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'global warming insinuates that all areas will "warm up", which is not always the case'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'well but as a global average it warms up yes?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'global warming is often misunderstood to mean that everything gets warmer at all times, which is obviously incorrect.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'hence changes all sorts of ocean patterns, causing more exterme fluctuations'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: '@Mannec has it'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'the global average trends towards warming, but not everything will be consistently warmer all the time'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'by contrast, climate change is a useless phrase, because climate is always changing, always has - so its not an interesting statement.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i know that nights are warming up, relative to day averages, which is a thing that messes up plants'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I mean, I think "human-caused climate change" is a better term'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'careful d, it might be contagious.  and yes, as a global yearly average, warmer is a thing - but in some areas, at some times, also colder, which makes it easier to convince yourself its not happening at all :/'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'lol I'm reading about the pushback to ESG initiatives, trying to understand it'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'now anthropo-genic climate change, _that_ is a more interesting topic - but alas, much harder to offer clear evidence in support of either side.  damn near impossible to manage a decent controlled study, and all the variables confound each other.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'they're basically grouchy that companies are getting evaluated on stuff such as their business' exposure to 'climate change''
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'esg?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'oh theyve got the metaverse for that :) lol the industrial buzzword being touted is "digital twins"'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'sadly, not the houston texas rapper. "Environmental, SOcial, Governance" as one of the criteria when maknig investments'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'eh, i dont put alot of faith in simulations - very vulnerable to slightly imperfect assumptions.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'ah.  sounds like some nutjob's idea of investing advice.  probably has a core of actual meaningful ideas, but with so much crap accreted on that it fails at its own message.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'much the same could be said about pretty nearly every political, social, and economic -ism.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: '"climate change" is such a rubbish phrase, agree, it should be like "climate crisis" or something'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'correlates with financial operating metrics apparently'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'by the time a crisis becomes noticable, it will also have become unsolvable.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'so there's actually a fiduciary duty TO consider it'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'like don't invest in candy bars, climate change WILL wreck the price of choclate straight up'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'well, like my gramps always said, 'dont shit where ya eat.'  good advice at any scale, methinks.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'lol, yes agree'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'it's like seriously folks, we look back on smoking as a health risk like DUH of course inhaling smoke for 50 years isn't that great for you'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'my grandad always told me to stay small (I've always been very small, yes, halfling, but rl small, etc) but I think that's good advice too - stop trying to be big, popular, get lots of things, etc... just stay small'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'so seems perfectly plausible that hundreds of millions of cows to support 7.6 billion people might just be like a lot of smoke?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'to be fair, it wasnt obvious at first.  and even less so in many markets, since alot of tobacco world-wide isnt nearly as radioactive as the stuff we get in the us.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'there are some areas im willing to let efficiency slide - and a thick, juicy steak is one of them.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think the trick is to reduce what you need, rather than increase what you can get'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'its a perfectly functional strategy - but exploiting all the resources you can, as fast as you can, is _also_ an effective strategy.  under some circumstances.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well, it is for the person who's got it all'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'right up until scarcity of resources becomes a problem, which is why the big lizards tended to die, while the tiny mammals kept going.  back when the sky fell that time, i mean.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'it's just a shame that giving a shit about people isn't some kind of currency that they can report on in the morning news'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yes I said shit - get ready for me to be in jail :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'damnit mannec, embarassing myself on the wrong channel'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'questioning mammals and dinosaurs coexisting, yes they did'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'they dont coexist today, which is the natural outcome of the small/efficient vs. big/resource-intensive strategies in a time of scarcity.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'well we can all get social credit scores like in china and black mirror'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh gosh I *hate* the star review thing - that black mirror episode'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'it says something that a social-dystopian nightmare show may as well be a documentary of one of our economic and political adversaries.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'wasn't that the point of that episode? that just trying to be popular makes people actually care less about each other'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i mean, essential economic partners.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i think china ripped it off from the show though'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'we've got similar stuff here no worreis'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i quit looking for deeper meaning in entertainment a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'ever since i realized that shakespeare was a soap opera creator.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I don't believe you Mannec, and I also disagree with you :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec pats Cilmarill on her head.
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'culture, and so media, reflects what we thing, you know that'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'it's obviously worked out well with Amazon Reviews, the inability to game that system'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'its so cute that you think we, collectively, think.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that's why a programme about killing an unstoppable hoard of zombies is so popular :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh come on, we totally do'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'to be fair, splattering zombies is pretty entertaining.  i learned all about it from an episode of ... alucard abridged? dammit, what is the name of that thing...'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'a hundred years ago we didn't realise time slows down when you go fast, a few more hundred years ago, we thought the earth was flat'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'nah, thats a myth.  its just that the faster you go, the more you notice how long it will be before you get anywhere :p'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'least we can rely on being at the center of the universe'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill pokes Manned medium medium
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'funny story, m.  we are.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'i gotta open up private window to search for "is earth the center of the universe" or else the algorithm will think i'm becoming deficient'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: '_every_ point is the center of the universe.  always has been.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'then why are we criticized for thinking the world revolves around us?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'umm I think that given the universe is all moving away from the same point - then that's the center?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'critics dont need a reason, m.  they just want to make you feel bad.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I mean yeah, the universe revoles around Mushambo :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh no - Mannec'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'every point in the universe is moving away from _every_ other point - which means either all points are the center, or none of them are.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hang on - me too'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'im still searching for the counter 'data' ... how can there be so much on flat earth and nothing on geocentric universe?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'unless...flat earthers ARE right after all!'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SNEAKER Mushambo dares disturb the universe!
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'careful there, m.  that line is almost as destructive to rational debate as talking about hitler.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'oops.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I had a hair cut by a woman who clearly belived in falt earth, it was very difficult to hold back because I just wanted my hair to look nice :)'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and you thought censorship was all politically enforced.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'well didnt intend to send us down who knows what rabbit hole, i was just trying to understand how they plan to restrict companies in how they invest their money...corporations are people, remember? infringes their civil rights '
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'corporations are whores - offer them a little moolah, theyll do anything.  a bit of a tax break or something, corps will do whatever.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'right, so it's basically restricting corporates from "values-influenced investing"'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'this pushback is relating to anti-woke agendas i guess'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'mmm.  could be.  tho i must say, most of the 'anti-woke' i encounter is basically head-shaking, tsk-ing, and watching the woke collapse under its own fail.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'tho to be fair, _most_ of the corps that take a political or social stance seem to suffer for it.  woke is hardly the only example.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'meanwhile, the florida governor wants to throw mickey mouse in jail for also disagreeing with the free speech of how a corporation chooses to exercise it, or operate as a business'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'disney deserves so much worse than 'being subject to the laws of the state they do business in.''
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec drops the mic.
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'it's because they operate much more efficiently than the state services they were initially granted contorl over like permitting their own buildings'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm I'm pretty lost, but basically corporations are like sociapaths, any show of giving a shit is just to get more money for the shareholders, and any political move to restrict them is just a show, and that's ok, that's how it is?'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'florida's governor wants to lock up mickey mouse'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: '_effective_ corps are sociopaths.  its when they stray from that core principle they tend to suffer.  all their customers are willing to go along with 'we want your money', because thats how things work.  but any other stance is likely to offend some of your customer base... which is a counter-productive strategy.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pretty sure he wants to do much more horrible things to the mouse - cant disagree with him, personally.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'after what the D did in that rap battle? no holds barred.'
T3/r7/2022-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SNEAKER Mushambo: 'if i was better with graphics, i'd pitch it as a political ad and beef up my power plays'