T3/r7/2023-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'does time matter anymore?'
T3/r7/2023-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: '... he types from the mists of his timeless void, the eons slowly trickling by like so much falling sand.'
T3/r7/2023-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'asking the question, yes'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'mccarthy finally won the speaker vote'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: '15th try is the charm'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dein Untergang: 'Can you get better takeout or cheap meal for a fiver?'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'alas, money is worthless these days - the punchline is, thats the intended result.'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'should i be concerned that my socks smell like doritos? discuss.'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'my hound dogs never smelled like anything but Fritos, is there a distinction in chips brands?'
T3/r7/2023-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'a six-year-old child in Virginia shot their teacher'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'https://uk.yahoo.com/news/furious-british-parent-virginia-school-223237737.html '
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Jfc'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Charge the parents with assault with a deadly weapon'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, a Republican elected in November 2021, said in a statement on Friday that he was "praying for the continued safety of all students and the community" '
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Thougts and prayers~'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'i.e. doing nothing'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'George Parker, the school's superintendent, said "We need to keep guns out of the hands of our young people" '
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'very insightful'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'ok, you showed one example of using guns in a bad way... and there would be few more... but what's % of gun misuse?'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'well, as long as the number of gun-related deaths are less than 1% per year...'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'i meant... in media you'll be seeing only bad things... there are some guys who are drowned by drinking tap water and they can ba a cause to demand ban of tap water at all... statistics and context matters :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'in most countries, kids don't shoot adults'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/bengaluru-14-year-old-boy-detained-for-killing-parents/articleshow/82474675.cms'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'just google kid killed parent india'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Classic Vost claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'I still think there needs to be parental accountability for child gun crimes. It's not an 'accident' a six year old had access to a firearm, ammunition, and the ability to take and conceal it without their parents' knowledge.'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'as in my perception in India is culture of respect to their parents'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country '
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'but in US you can buy a gun like donuts, right?'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'depends which state'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'some states, you can walk into a gun convention and just buy a gun'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'but gun is only a tool, some kids would kill other schoolkids/parents with stones'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'now you're trolling'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'There is still a background check but it is delayed.  If it comes up they shouldn't have been sold the gun then ATF agents some looking for the buyer. Not perfect by any means but no zero accountability for the seller and buyer either.'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'nice try'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'It's the private sales to worry about'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'we should not blame guns, because problem is somewhere else'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Another thing to worry about is the fact in the US you can buy every single component of a firearm except the receiver online.  And you can just mill your own receiver.'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'So people are making 'ghost' guns'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'private sale... isn't this illegal?'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'No'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'well maybe in some states but not in general'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'that's why it's so easy to buy a gun at a convention'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'it is a "private sale" '
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Methuselah Zensch: 'well, my point as a person who attended shooting range for like 2 years is that guns are great way to have some fun in a good way :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'if there's a small price to pay for people's fun...'
T3/r7/2023-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'Resolved, Sour cream and onion is the best flavor of potato chip'
T3/r7/2023-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'if you had solved it properly the first time, you wouldnt have to solve it again.  also, no - best potato chip is clearly a misleading question, as corn makes best chips.'
T3/r7/2023-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'are you saying someone shouldve decided to run with "sour cream" OR "onion" flavors?'
T3/r7/2023-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'both are D at best, and when added to potato chips? solid D-.  by contrast, restaurant-style corn, unflavored, with a dash of home-made salsa? magnifique.'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'Vladimir Putin has been named Politician of the Year...'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'what?'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vladimir-putin-named-politician-of-the-year-in-russian-state-run-poll-153540762.html '
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'is that like Rand Paul board-certifying himself through an organization he founded?'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'is good, very much leader'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Classic Vost falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dein Untergang: 'When the fuck hasn't putin made himself the best of everything?'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'he has consistently topped the poll since it began in 2006'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'yeah, poll, sure...'
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Classic Vost chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2023-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: '(im saying its not a poll)'
T3/r7/2023-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'do you have a bunker?'
T3/r7/2023-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'see. the thing is, if Russia is about to lose, those idiots will launch nukes'
T3/r7/2023-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'its about 50:50'
T3/r7/2023-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'dig a bunker, be safe'
T3/r7/2023-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'if someone is CEO of themselves, is it better to claim "executive privilege" or "I do not recall" ?'
T3/r7/2023-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'why you mes my ngoing topic, man?>'
T3/r7/2023-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'lets bring back legal dueling. Pistols or swords, it matters not;defenders choice'
T3/r7/2023-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Gaury.
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'Illinois sheriffs won't enforce the law that bans assault-style rifles'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'https://uk.yahoo.com/news/least-74-illinois-sheriff-departments-000100152.html '
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'so they say.  because they are sheriffs who work for the locals, instead of being employed by the state, they might actually be able to stick to their claims.'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'it's easy to not do something'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'on the other hand, what are the odds they dont take any state funds to run their offices?'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'wait, are we supposed to be enforcing laws we dont like now? i bet some texas border towns would like to get into that convo'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pretty to think so.  but its no coincidence that state-employed leos are almost universally willing to do pretty much anything to the citizenry.  no sense risking their pension, after all.'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'it would require someone to report a sheriff who didn't pursue the owner of a semi-automatic weapon'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'and they would report it to the police/sheriff...'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'county sheriffs arent in the chain of command of the state - so merely failing to enforce a law wouldnt be enough to do anything to them.  you would need them to break a law _requiring_ their action - which as far as i know, none of the states have.  at the moment.'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: '"These are folks who are entrusted by the public to enforce the law," the governor [Pritzker] continued. "They dont get to choose which laws they enforce." '
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and even if you _did_ have such a law, it would take ages to drag the first case through the courts, and _both_ sides would be funded by governments ... good luck calling that result before the buzzer.'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'actually, they do.  its called 'discretion', and its a power inherent to the position of any leo.  if they governor had put any thought at all into how  his own state police might fall victim to that position? he would have kept his mouth shut.'
T3/r7/2023-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'So if you have classified documents I guess your garage is okay to keep them in. '
T3/r7/2023-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dein Untergang: 'Have we devolved into a society where being a pretty girl is literally a job?'
T3/r7/2023-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'it depends on the letter that follows your name on the news scrawl, g.'
T3/r7/2023-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'and yes, u, being pretty (regardless of gender) has been a profession for quite a while now.'
T3/r7/2023-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'can't remember who he's singing happy birthday to, and has access to the nuclear football. God help us all. '
T3/r7/2023-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rurouni Kinjin: 'amen'
T3/r7/2023-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'Sandra Feist is a league of her own bat shit crazy. https://rumble.com/v264cgy-crowders-stop-the-con-institutionalized-insanity-greta-the-rebel-viva-frei-.html'
T3/r7/2023-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'Resolved,, the Book of Enoch should have been included in canon'
T3/r7/2023-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torkin: 'o shit council of nicea in the house'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'fuck biden and doj trying to bring back mask wearing for next 'crisis''
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'wear the fucking mask and quit bitching, nobody is impressed with antimaskers'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'weird, school 10 miles from me has a ton of kids sick.  my school with mask requirement has no kids sick.  '
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'salty Pringles'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'but seriously, wear the mask :P'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'hahaha'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'or don't wear the mask and face the 0 penalties for it'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'Funny when you say you don't want masks to be mandated again..  you get some who just assumes you're an antimasker.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Classic Vost: 'that's what antimasker means'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'maybe he's non-binary'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'true. or a potato chip.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'weird, when you google biden and doj want to bring back masks  it's only on rightwing news'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'that makes sense... the left like their masks.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'no they don't lol nobody likes masks'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The left like not dying or being hospitalized '
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'Well then you should feel good... all the crazy right people should be dead by now.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'the death rate isn't that high for covid to say that'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Would that it were that simple.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, the rate isn't alarmingly high. The raw numbers, on the other hand, are pretty unsettling.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'in fact that's just being silly.  even right people know covid's death rate is nothing "worse than the flu" so those two statements contradict'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'yes I know it wasn't really a pandemic... the just changed the defintion 10 years ago to make it so.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'raw numbers... which tell jack.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'tell that to the people in china'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'raw numbers tell jack? So if 1000 people were chasing you with clubs and knive but they represented only 1/10 of a percent of the local populaion, what's to worry?'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'so covid is a mob now?'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The point is not the assailant. It's the numbers.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'numbers which the left is finally agreeing were skewed... and need to be analyzed properly, because they were over counted.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '-8'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Do you actually believe that Trump and the right did a better job of dealing with Covid than the left? Be honest.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'so I guess you agree with me, as you now want to change the subject?'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm sorry. I'm not trying to change the subject. Not sure how you jumped to that, but whatever. I shouldn't have joined this discussion because I'm in rl right now more than here.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm - Covid was more dangerous than the flu, I mean that's beyond debate'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'thus the extremely strong response - being the only thing that kept the numbers down'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'not sure if that's what's being debated - but it's completely obvious'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'also Trump suggested drinking bleach to cure it, so...'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'actually flu this year might actually be more dangerous than covid for children'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I think that flu was always more dangerous for children than covid - at least in terms of possible critical effects'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Can't De Cide: 'the flu is actually pretty dangerious it just spread quite as quickly as covid can.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but that's just saying "old people may be very vunerable to covid, children are generally ok"'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Can't De Cide: 'it doesnt spread quite as quickly is waht that was supposed to say.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'here in canada 45 kids (under 11) have died from covid since the beginning. Last month 3 kids in one province (we have 10) died from flu.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'i would say that nobody did a good job dealing with the CovAIDS, Rhavage - the least destructive response would have been to do pretty much nothing.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'as far as child death rates go, yes - influenza is somewhat nastier that covid - but both are pretty much negligible in that age category.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'politics - discuss.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'HURRRDURRR'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Can't De Cide starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: '"Know when to stop debating and move on to agreeing on what should be done" ;)'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'says the jerk who clearly doesnt have a clue how to decide what to do.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: ''we should all agree' is semantically equivalent to 'do it my way'.'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'make a list and roll dice'
T3/r7/2023-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2007 GWing Abelinc looks at Mushambo and screams "NEVER!"
T3/r7/2023-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'greater than 3 is less than 1'
T3/r7/2023-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'less than halfing is more than sprite?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'a friend asked me one time, were the people 2000 years back as smart as we, now'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'what do you thinks'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'thinks:)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'what you thinks?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'smarter for sure.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'are we smarter than the people 2000 years ago?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'no.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'On the whole I think we're probably dumber'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i feel it like that also'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'we're a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy... so.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'thats new'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'copies are never better than the original'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'and we rely on tech more every day..'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'but people are not copies'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'people are mixtures'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'sounds like something a filthy copy would say'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Orphean looks around shiftily
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'mixtures... well then mixtures that are slightly diluted everytime'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'whats a perfect environment for a human to grow to unleash all the brain potential'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'its not woods and a farm of sheep'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'what i really mean is. is the current environment good for human brain evolution?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'because evulution is something that kinda... no one pays any attention on it.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'a proven thing. but insignificant'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'I think so. More knowledge and stimulus available now than ever before. Learning how to turn that data into information is a real skill however. And while on the whole percentage wise I think we're likely dumber than our forebears, numberswise there are more smart people today than ever before.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'by evolution what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'cant agree there. we have more people then ever. hence more smart people.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'That is what I said'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'numberwise yes. but less when considering the percentage'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'That is what I said too haha'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'oh yes:'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'For example in the past lets say 60% of people were "smart", today let's say 30% of people are "smart".  That 30% today represents more actual people than the 60% of 2000 years ago'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'But the converse is true as well'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Sadly for us all :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'so, are people getting smarter or dumber now?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'I'd say it's more complicated question than that. Both at the same time in different rates.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'You have to look at other factors like society, wealth, etc'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'height?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Ninja abilities especially'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'people don't care about smartness so much these days'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'That is only true in certain cases. A lot of people are ignorant of what the smart people are doing.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you don't have to be smart to be nice'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'And is also culturual'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and of course I have no idea what you'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i didn't mean smartass'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and of course I have no idea what you're talking about'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'being smart is not a perk to be proud now'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'feelings.... nothing more than feelings....'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'being proud is kinda bad thing'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no I think being proud is ok?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'cant be proud about being so smar'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Alot of assertions going on here haha'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'me fail english? that's unpossibl.e'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well right, so pic the things that actually make you a good person'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'being popular is often an excuse for thinking that you're a good person'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'being clever also is'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'being popular now has nothing to do with your brains nowadays'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh - being good looking too, but that's sort of like the popular thing'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'being popular now means you have some... charisma'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm - or, you take the right insta photos at the right time'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'being proud about doing something smart is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'yet being proud about it is a bad thing'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I just think people should just be proud and pleased about the little things they do'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean it's fun to see celebrities and things doing all their fancy things. But really life is actually about the little things you do for each other'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'not the self indulgent speeches you make when you win an oscar'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'nono.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'say. you figured out some thing. so everyone praises you. whatever it was.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'now, when you express something about it.... it better be humble or you suck'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'like what though? how to cure cancer?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well actually for me, you said the key word - humble'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'yeah. when you cure all cancer with your pill. you'd better be like "oh, we did what we could and this happened" or else you're fucked by public'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I suppose I just have this dislike for people who act the opposite of humble'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'luckily, if neither you or anyone can figure out someone's skill, ("what do you do, exactly?") theres no praise given, negating need to be humble'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'there is no "yeah, fuck. we did it! we cured it!"'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I want to just thank my family, god, and everyone around for this opportunity, and if this means anything, it means that if you just believe, and if you try hard enough, anything is possible'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'STAAAAAAB!'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'You forgot to thank the Academy, which means you'll never win again :-('
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'ok. my final point is. when being proud about smartness is a sin, nothing good comes from it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'I think we're talking about arrogance more than pride in ability'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'there it is'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'whats the difference of proud vs arrogance?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Not being a dick mostly haha'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'hm'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I mean I think people should feel good about being smart, or more particularly, the act of trying to know more things. It's wrong to think that it makes you better. Nothing makes you better other than being nice'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'why to tie niceness to this at all?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'Capable yes, you're more capable if you can understand certain things more. And we need capable people. But we need nice people far more'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'you should be proud when doing something awesome'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'But you should also be nice enough not to rub it in other's faces or condescend to them. That would be arrogant.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well indeed - niceness is, in the end, for me, the most impressive character trait'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'by far'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'so. how to disconnect proud from niceness? being proud is good. being nice is good. but together those things are bad'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orphean: 'Not sure how being proud and nice is bad tbh'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no I think you should be proud of the things or thoughts you did or had that you think are good'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'so there is no problem?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'm proud when I clean the front room or when I lay out the dinner I just made'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'but see. when someone is proud, looks proud, talks proud - is that bad?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'those with their nose in the air will never look you in the eye'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean I'm not saying you have to always be nice, sod that - I shout at drivers in my car when they're messing about, or when idiots just get in my way and etc etc'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if you wake me up when I don't want to be woken, up, I might have to go to the curse channel'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think pride is good generally, but there's a fake pride that's not so good'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'so "fuck yeah, i cured cancer. im so damn smart" is bad? . if this doesnt work, is unapproved... bad.. where is the motivation?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'pride is what you feel in regards to what you have done well - arrogant is what you project in regards to what you have not (perhaps yet) done.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I suppose we all just are thankful for the incredble work you did, but also all think you're a bit of a twat'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cilmarill nods mannec - arrogant is kind of like you trying to force someone else to think you're great, pride is ok as long as you accept your achievment eith a certain humblness
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'a jerk who does quality work isnt necessarily arrogant.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ULTRATURBO Fuel points excitedly at Mannec!
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'still a jerk though'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to ULTRATURBO Fuel.
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: '"i fucking cured the fucking cancer!" is a bad thought'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the really entertaining ones combine nice and arrogant.  its like, he knows hes better than you could ever be, but he doesnt hold it against you, kind of thing.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: '"i fucking cured the fucking cancer!" .... is bad to say out loud'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'unless you, ya know, actually did - then its ok to let folks know.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well right - I think being humble is a very important thing'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'no'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no one is better than me - no one, on th whole earth'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'you can be fucking jerk in a good way too'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but, that's because I'm not better than no one, no one, on the whole earth'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'Cilm, would you say you can prepare a cup of tea better than 90% of players here?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'depends on... charisma'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mannec pats Cilmarill on her head.
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'oh wow when it come to making tea I will smash all of you into oblivion :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'hence Fuel's point (I think ) :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'yeah I know :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but it's a bit like hiring someone who's never done plumbing to fix the leaky tap, rather than an actual plumber'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'clearly nonsense'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'just my ability to make you a correct cup of tea does make me better than ll of you'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'no, but you can be proud of expertise in the queen-ordained knowledge. cannot be on proper side for a steering wheel for instance'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you can and should be proud of any abilties, just don't think it makes you better than someone else'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'theres a punch-line there, m.  uk and us +both+ drive on the wrong side of the road.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'i thought the debate was about pride in domain-specific expertise :-( too late'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I'm not sure, but I thought we were trying to separate acceptable pride from unacceptable arrogance'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'oh no, 'acceptable' is a whole 'nother question.  this was just definitional, p vs. a.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I suppose arrogance is by definition unacceptable? That's kind of it's thing? it's when I person shows a sense of pride so much that it becomes disagreeable'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'do you suppose a childs arrogance is acceptable?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'you cure cancer. did 30 years of that work. then beat it. you cured it. you feel soooooooooooo proud because no one else had done it... '
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'and you cant show it. have to tame it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'be polite. humble'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'its not natural!'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'd say a person who clearly doesn't command the knowledge and expertese they need (and so I'm saying this is the child) but still claims and asserts that they know more than you might, without good reason, is yes, arrogant'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I'd say being overly proud of a thing you did which really was amazing is just showing a lack of integrity, and that your motivations weren't great'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'theres the individual power of "not giving a fuck"'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'imagine if Usain Bolt was on TV just shouting at the camera "yeah, you see, you're rubbish, I'm the fastest, see? you're so slow, you'll never be as good as me!"'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean, he's right, but it makes him a bit of a prat and a bad character'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'then you giggle at him'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'but'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'it has gone too far. waaay to far'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'so maybe distinction is bragging about something true from the genetic lottery?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'then again, track & field isn't a real sport anyway '
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'humbleness has become a bloody stat'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'its not sincere anymore'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'people can fake anything'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no but there's some truth in that - some of us are just better at certain things, for whatever reason. Arrogance implies a certain desire to make other people feel that they're worse, which imo is reprehensible. It's ok to feel good about being good at something, just why do need to make someone feel bad about not being as good as you?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'people can fake being humble, respectful, nice so well. '
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'I dare not ask what they are, said the other man humbly, or astutely."'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'arrogance also imples a kind of assumption that you are better, without necessarily being so'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'at least when they are arrogant, you can see they are honest'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'there's blunt, but not honest though'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I don't really follow that at all'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'being humble or nice - guess if they really mean being that way'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'niceness is fakeable'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'arrogance is a sort of self-dishonesty'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'if a person is arrogant, cant hide or care to hide it - he is 100% honest at least'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'never ever can tell if a nice person is honest'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you're convincing yourself of your ability and just falsely asserting it on other peopl'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'arrogant person is 100% honest. nice person... who knows?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think I would know'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gaury knows
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'nice is fakeable. no one fakes arrogance in purpose'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'you sound like you're talking about sociopathy'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well precisely - the arrogant person wants to appear that way in order to make other people bow before them'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but that's not honesty'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'if anything it's insecurity'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'arrogant person is honest'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'd say that arrogant people are insecure.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'Trump is the best business person the world has ever seen, bigly style'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'because he cant help it, its against the law but he cant help it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I don't really understand. To me arrogance is a dishonesty to one's self'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'a nice person can fake it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nice people don't have to fake it.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'knows the law. fakes it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'talking about the few'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'ok a person can fake nice.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'or respectful.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well that's definitely true, if you don't actually care about other people much'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'or just being polite, which is good'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'when you see an arrogant person fully blasting it out. he is 100% into it. '
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'and do you like them more for it?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'no acting'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i like to not think about it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'hmm - being convinced that what you're doing is ok is not the same as honesty'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'to me, arrogant people in full throat are deeply insecure.'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'surely so - why spend so much energy trying to show how great you are if you actually just are great?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I think it's a kind of bullying'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gaury: 'cil did you reply to my note'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean, I'm the richest halfling ninja in this world, I don't need to mention it every 10 sentences ;)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'oh. ok. my whole point is. nowadays, when you come up with something good, the pressure of exactly that -be humble or die in shanme- hinders the good stuff'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'you cant be fully happy in public or you'd be shamed'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'have to be fucking humble'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'its not arrogance. people coming up with good stuff have to look like a saint'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'in public'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well I suppose that's how I think - stay small. But, I am small, so, I cuddle up to it :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'well no it's fine, all the Steve Jobs walking onto the stage to rapturous applause and the whathisname tesla owner coming out with all his ways to fix the future, it's fine go for it, but you know, these people aren't gods'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I know that I'll always be tiny, and as I said, no one's better than me, because I'm no better than no one :) *STABS*'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'cure cancer and you'll think differently'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'but cant show it'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'you saved 500000000 lives. try to think yourself as tiny'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean I don't disagree with you - if I was capable of that I would there's something about me that other people aught to admire'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'but I just wouldn't force it upon them - which I think is what arrogance is, the idea that other people aught to think more highly of you than what they naturally want to'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'or maybe more precisely, that you think more highly of yourself than you aught to. Which really makes you right, if you'd cured cancer you aught to have a moment where you're just holy crap I'm flipping brilliant'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'I mean if I ever get to r7 I'm going to kick up the suds, trust me :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'arrogance made me practice 10 hours/day once'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'im not arrogant anymore. dont practice much'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'woo! practice what!?'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'planning to become more arrogant'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'the thing is, being arrogant really does helpa lot'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'guitar. what else..'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'ooh I play guitar, kind of'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'piano too - but to such a terrible level that there's no way I could be arrogant about it :)'
T3/r7/2023-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ULTRATURBO Fuel :)
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'if evolution was real, animals would have grown wheels by now'
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'but i wonder. would it even be possible that an animal could evolve such way..'
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'those arent animals, f.  they are bugs.  pixar theory ftw.'
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'the closest thing i know of to an evolutionarily produced wheel is found on a rattlesnake's tail.'
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'it is strictly speaking possible, but unlikely, to evolve a wheel, since the intermediate stages would likely not confer any reproductive advantage.'
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mannec: 'aint nobody wanna date a scrub with a learner's permit, neh?'
T3/r7/2023-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: '4b years and no wheel. '
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i wonder if the mice are thankful when i feel sad when trapping them'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'thankful for my sadness'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'does it put me in some psychological category when thinking about it?'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i would like them to be thankful for being sad when they die'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'probably narcissism'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'will katie holmes be stepping down or keeping her job?'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dartan: 'katie holmes has a job?'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prancin' Garence: 'er hobbes lol'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'should wrongdoers be outed publicly? (I mean obviously guilty folks who are public figures but claim to be holier than thou, although shame on thou for not being more holy!'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'no, only if they are very reprehensible, or consistently claim to be holier than thou (both of of which are difficult to define of course)'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'there seems to be some overlap in folks your statement apply to '
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'that's why we should always have a free press. The court of public opinion is the only correct way of judging'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cilmarill: 'though I undertand that public opinion can be maniuplated even in a free society'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'public opinion? no i nominate for one position of judging'
T3/r7/2023-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'myself, second would be Fuel'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'so. we, the humans, have found out that many animals have big brains and are really smart.'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'why are we not using this for the greater good of the human kind?'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'why not enslave them more? i mean.. more than in the zoo'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'could you shit some lite on this, please?'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'animals are dumb'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'agreed, should train certain dogs to find the evildoers'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'penguins are mean, never try to hug one'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'kola bears have std's'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'mean because they are social. there's the proof'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'social is mean'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'sloths are one of the most dumbest creatures in exsitance'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'and yet they somehow survive'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'out of all other animal's kindness'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'meant what i said? do not try to hug a penguin b/c it will swat very quickly'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'thanks to*'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'so do most of the sub par humans in this world thanks to welfare'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'wait'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'no'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'oh you mean not culling 80% of the herd?'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i meant animals. not humans '
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'most humans are animals'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'infact most animals are better than most humans'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'thats fake news'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'here i have to disagree with you respectfully, Adamski'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'explain'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'my dog loves me unconditionally, but my wife not so much'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'i'm all up for a discussion of "I think person X is dumber than me, they might be disadvantaged and I've no problem with them dying" I'm a Kantian moralist though so...'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'the fact that 20% humans may have an advance thought occasionally doesnt mean they are not animals too'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'if it even is a fact..'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'if you had to spend the rest of your life alone but with only one companion a person of the same sex or a dog which would you choose'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'a wasp in a can'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Adamski: 'wasp is not an animal'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'if the genie is a male, i'd be stupid to not choose the former?'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'then the koala. a dog is difficult. it almost is aware of things'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'btw. i just asked a random question to say "shit some lite"'
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ULTRATURBO Fuel: 'i guess it wont catch on:('
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: 'penguins may look like carebears :-('
T3/r7/2023-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MAMBO! Mushambo: ''Effective Altruism" is nothing more than Ayn Rand selfishness for the yutes with a fancier name'